Helio Gracie - Carlos Gracie, Sr. - Carlos Gracie Jr. - Ailson “Jucão” Henrique Brites - Walter Johnson - Me

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i did this, only for the fun to do it when i was injured and had time to loose, i found a tree on the net and completed it

I always felt the whole lineage praising culture was kind of weird. If I take my own students, some of them are super talented and medal at big tournaments. Some of them are blue belts for 10 years and lose first match in every single competition. Some of them copy my game to the detail, some go their own way and develop completely distinct style. I dont see why they should get anything out of saying I’m their lineage, when so many other factors play in. An important point to consider of course, is that this is kind of unique to jiu jitsu. Why don’t golfers, tennis players, table tennis players, cyclists and marathon runner talk about their lineage like jiu jitsu people do? It’s weird. Just weird.

i did this, only for the fun to do it when i was injured and had time to loose, i found a tree on the net and completed it

Hy Oliver, I can’t read the name under the picture of the guy next to Carlos Senior, but I suppose, as there is „Fadda“ in the next branch, the name is Franca? …. Well the guy on the picture is Jose Sebador Rosa from Minas Gerais and not Franca. He has nothing to do with Fadda lineage!

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Well, ... as i wrote : i found this on the net and completed 'my part' (so the last 3 lines) ;-) i'm not the author ! here is the link, that you can complain to the right interlocutor :-D https://comunicajiujitsu.[...]rasileiro/ the name is Luis França, correct about the pics, i do not met Master França personnaly, so i can't say if the picture is him or not :-D , sorry the only thing i can say is that bjj-fanatics use the same pic as you can see here https://bjjfanatics.com.b[...]brasileiro see a focus of the part :

Well, ... as i wrote : i found this on the net and completed 'my part' (so the last 3 lines) ;-) i'm not the author ! here is the link, that you can complain to the right interlocutor :-D https://comunicajiujitsu.[...]rasileiro/ the name is Luis França, correct about the pics, i do not met Master França personnaly, so i can't say if the picture is him or not :-D , sorry the only thing i can say is that bjj-fanatics use the same pic as you can see here https://bjjfanatics.com.b[...]brasileiro see a focus of the part :

As I am very interested in history, origins and lineages of bjj I did lots of research (read all the „Choque“ books, etc.) and contacted „old“ BJJ teachers from Takeo Yano lineage, etc… at the source in Brazil who were either students of Jose Senador Rosa and/ or knew him and Takeo Yano personally.

As I am very interested in history, origins and lineages of bjj I did lots of research (read all the „Choque“ books, etc.) and contacted „old“ BJJ teachers from Takeo Yano lineage, etc… at the source in Brazil who were either students of Jose Senador Rosa and/ or knew him and Takeo Yano personally. This is part of an email I once got from one of the co founders of the Federacao mineira de Jiu Jitsu in Minas Gerais/ Brasil, Mestre Adair Alves De Almeida (who knew Takeo Yano and Jose Senador Rosa and was , I think, back then in the mid 70s, a student of one of them). He send me pictures of Jose Senador Rosa and Yano for example, too. So as I understood Mestre Jose Senador Rosa was a Training partner and close friend of mestre Takeo Yano , but he had diplomas from the famous „Ono“ Brothers from São Paolo and from Helio Gracie! Nothing to do with Fadda Lineage: „

Have you read 'Opening Closed Guard' by Robert Drysdale yet? It might answer a lot of the questions you have already, and probably save you some of the legwork you're already doing. Maybe? I think he did a fairly solid job of calling into question some of the accepted Oswaldo Fadda 'myths' as well. I found the book to be super interesting, and would highly recommend it to anybody who has spent years listening and adhering to the standard Gracie narrative of BJJ history.