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Fake profile exposes why voting just based on (IBJJF) certificate is a bad idea
6 year(s) ago • 15288 views • 109 replies
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Shouldn't there be a little marker of shame :-) :-p
As penace,
If the person who orchestrated the trick is an existing member or admin of this site,
and they come forward and reveal their identity to claim their reward,
I will pay them a $250 purse, to be sent immediately to their paypal,
upon proof that it was them by:
simultaneously emailing me from the email of record of the account,
and also sending me a message saying same on this board,
and replying to the email that I send to that email account of record.
And perhaps the admins will be so generous as to give them an a priori Pardon if they do so,
as it was a clever trick, and well done.
And then they shall have their prize, a Pardon, bragging rights, and we should all enjoy the entertainment of it.
And learn the lesson the trick was intended to teach, and illustrate.
If the person who orchestrated the trick is an existing member or admin of this site,
and they come forward and reveal their identity to claim their reward,
I will pay them a $250 purse, to be sent immediately to their paypal,
upon proof that it was them by:
simultaneously emailing me from the email of record of the account,
and also sending me a message saying same on this board,
and replying to the email that I send to that email account of record.
And perhaps the admins will be so generous as to give them an a priori Pardon if they do so,
as it was a clever trick, and well done.
And then they shall have their prize, a Pardon, bragging rights, and we should all enjoy the entertainment of it.
And learn the lesson the trick was intended to teach, and illustrate.
Edited 6 year(s) ago
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
As penace, If the person who orchestrated the trick is an existing member or admin of this site, and the come forward and reveal their identity to claim their reward, I will pay them a $250 purse, to be sent immediately to their paypal, upon proof that it was them by: simultaneously emailing me from the email of record of the account, and also sending me a message saying same on this board, and replying to the email that I send to that email account of record. And perhaps the admins will be so generous as to give them an a priori Pardon if they do so, as it was a clever trick, and well done. And then they shall have their prize, a Pardon, bragging rights, and we should all enjoy the entertainment of it. And learn the lesson the trick was intended to teach, and illustrate.
Great idea!
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Is it your intention to flog the admins who verified his ID as well?
I’m pretty sure it must have been Tatu. With his usual excuse “I don’t even exist!!”
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Come, come, surely the perpetrator of so clever a trick is brave enough to come forward and claim $250 and bragging rights?
It is hard to believe that an outsider could have fooled the ID verification process or would have bothered.
Step forward, and claim your reward and bragging rights.
It is hard to believe that an outsider could have fooled the ID verification process or would have bothered.
Step forward, and claim your reward and bragging rights.
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Beltchecker should (in addition to benevolent whitehat hackers) have a bounty about ppl creating fake profiles for exposing security risks :D
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Beltchecker should (in addition to benevolent whitehat hackers) have a bounty about ppl creating fake profiles for exposing security risks :D
THe problem with that is that in many cases, security compromises are done from the inside.
Here we have a profile who "passed the ID verification",
and then 24 hours after the first vote is cast,
the ID checkers were found to have "affirmed a fake ID."
To demonstrate the value of "not voting to affirm people just because they have IBJJF certificates".
The agenda there would be pretty clear, whether outsider or insider.
But what would motivation would an outsider have compared to an insider?
Or compared to someone, or some party with an axe to grind regarding people accepting IBJJF certificates at face value....
C'mon.
Here we have a profile who "passed the ID verification",
and then 24 hours after the first vote is cast,
the ID checkers were found to have "affirmed a fake ID."
To demonstrate the value of "not voting to affirm people just because they have IBJJF certificates".
The agenda there would be pretty clear, whether outsider or insider.
But what would motivation would an outsider have compared to an insider?
Or compared to someone, or some party with an axe to grind regarding people accepting IBJJF certificates at face value....
C'mon.
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JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Inside job! #tatudoesnotexist
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Put another way,
I am not going to accept the IBJJF's posturing to not accept BJJ Globetrotters or beltcheckers based on shenanigans.
Nor an I going to accept beltchecker's posturing not to accept IBJJF's process based on beltchecker's shenanigans.
Every group has there own Timmy, I suppose.
Poor form, Timmy(s).
Poor form.
FUD, Xenophobia, and demonize the other tribe, all old and tired themes.
Loved by petty tyrants, central committees, and true believers everywhere, and all throughout the sad history of our species.
Of course, every MBA in marketing, or propaganda, celebrates these themes as if they are brand new,
and P.T. Barnum said....
I am not going to accept the IBJJF's posturing to not accept BJJ Globetrotters or beltcheckers based on shenanigans.
Nor an I going to accept beltchecker's posturing not to accept IBJJF's process based on beltchecker's shenanigans.
Every group has there own Timmy, I suppose.
Poor form, Timmy(s).
Poor form.
FUD, Xenophobia, and demonize the other tribe, all old and tired themes.
Loved by petty tyrants, central committees, and true believers everywhere, and all throughout the sad history of our species.
Of course, every MBA in marketing, or propaganda, celebrates these themes as if they are brand new,
and P.T. Barnum said....
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
As we're on the topic and since Jay Pages' name is mentioned here:
Caio Terra > Jay Pages > Ralph Villa (Lockjaw BJJ Yuma Arizona) > Deepak & Seema Rao
https://bjjmumbai.com/
I guess this will be another names thrown into the hat to watch for: Deepak & Seema Rao
Any such black belts under you/your black belt Ralph Villa? @Jay Pages?
Caio Terra > Jay Pages > Ralph Villa (Lockjaw BJJ Yuma Arizona) > Deepak & Seema Rao
https://bjjmumbai.com/
I guess this will be another names thrown into the hat to watch for: Deepak & Seema Rao
Any such black belts under you/your black belt Ralph Villa? @Jay Pages?
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Beltchecker should (in addition to benevolent whitehat hackers) have a bounty about ppl creating fake profiles for exposing security risks :D
I've just discovered my new true calling/career now that I can't operate a BJJ academy & have $0 income :)
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
As we're on the topic and since Jay Pages' name is mentioned here: Caio Terra > Jay Pages > Ralph Villa (Lockjaw BJJ Yuma Arizona) > Deepak & Seema Rao https://bjjmumbai.com/ I guess this will be another names thrown into the hat to watch for: Deepak & Seema Rao Any such black belts under you/your black belt Ralph Villa? @Jay Pages?
These pictures leave me dazed and confused. So Vince you're saying these people are fake/pretenders?
Time for...
...
DISPUTED PROMOTION 2
(coming soon to forums near you)
Time for...
...
DISPUTED PROMOTION 2
(coming soon to forums near you)
SVBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
"Grandmaster Deepak Rao, India's highest Black Belt"
some interesting blindfolded techniques: https://youtu.be/FjGNOB63vMo
As we're on the topic and since Jay Pages' name is mentioned here: Caio Terra > Jay Pages > Ralph Villa (Lockjaw BJJ Yuma Arizona) > Deepak & Seema Rao https://bjjmumbai.com/ I guess this will be another names thrown into the hat to watch for: Deepak & Seema Rao Any such black belts under you/your black belt Ralph Villa? @Jay Pages?
"Grandmaster Deepak Rao, India's highest Black Belt"
some interesting blindfolded techniques: https://youtu.be/FjGNOB63vMo
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
These pictures leave me dazed and confused. So Vince you're saying these people are fake/pretenders? Time for... ... DISPUTED PROMOTION 2 (coming soon to forums near you)
Don't gouge out your eyeballs when you watch his "instructional" as the highest ranked BJJ black belt and legendary martial artist (his words not mine)
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
These pictures leave me dazed and confused. So Vince you're saying these people are fake/pretenders? Time for... ... DISPUTED PROMOTION 2 (coming soon to forums near you)
I have a mild suspicion the gentleman in question may have overstated some claims, including the presentation of rank certificate that was allegedly signed by a well known martial artist post mortem.
Among other unsubstantiated /unverified rank claims, the pieces of paper he has plastered all over this website to persuade his viewers otherwise, nothing speaks more of his "skills" and ability than the display and explanation video of his BJJ "techniques" that best highlight the relevance and need for the BJJ Police, Anti-Pineapple Pizza Institute (APPI) and sites like Beltchecker.com for a sound, restful night's sleep.
Among other unsubstantiated /unverified rank claims, the pieces of paper he has plastered all over this website to persuade his viewers otherwise, nothing speaks more of his "skills" and ability than the display and explanation video of his BJJ "techniques" that best highlight the relevance and need for the BJJ Police, Anti-Pineapple Pizza Institute (APPI) and sites like Beltchecker.com for a sound, restful night's sleep.
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Don't gouge out your eyeballs when you watch his 'instructional' as the highest ranked BJJ black belt and legendary martial artist (his words not mine)
Whoaa that leglock
BWBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
'Grandmaster Deepak Rao, India's highest Black Belt' some interesting blindfolded techniques: https://youtu.be/FjGNOB63vMo
that was glorious!
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
anyone have contacts with the Indian BJJ Interpol branch?
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
How can anyone question his excellence Deepak Rao? Do you not see from the video that his skills are unparalleled?
The cat like movement? He even blindfolded himself! This is what happens when you go beyond the black belt.
As the saying goes, "The more you know, the less you do." (JJ Machado)
Well, in his case he has gone into the realm of, "The more you know, the less you know and you look like you suck with your stupid blindfold" (Rocco Nikil)
The cat like movement? He even blindfolded himself! This is what happens when you go beyond the black belt.
As the saying goes, "The more you know, the less you do." (JJ Machado)
Well, in his case he has gone into the realm of, "The more you know, the less you know and you look like you suck with your stupid blindfold" (Rocco Nikil)
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
As we're on the topic and since Jay Pages' name is mentioned here: Caio Terra > Jay Pages > Ralph Villa (Lockjaw BJJ Yuma Arizona) > Deepak & Seema Rao https://bjjmumbai.com/ I guess this will be another names thrown into the hat to watch for: Deepak & Seema Rao Any such black belts under you/your black belt Ralph Villa? @Jay Pages?
This calls for a new thread but did they just change their website or am I looking the wrong place?
PLBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
So we just caught a fake profile on the site. Had circumvented ID verification using a fake ID, probably photoshopped. The only 'proof' on the profile was a photoshopped IBJJF certificate, but still people had voted to confirm based on that. No photos, no social media, no instructor tagged, etc. IBJJF black belt database don't have the name but people still voted to confirm based on the picture of certificate. A quick google of the name of profile gave zero results. This confirms that - as expected - it is possible to create a fake ID and profile here. But also that no verification is permanent and any profile can be removed or disputed again quickly. I decided to delete the profile. It's only a matter of time before someone becomes suspicious and call it out. I suggest a bit more research before voting for people based purely on the picture of a certificate. Or at least go to IBJJF database and look it up, if that's what you're basing your vote on :)
Well I know it's not a great moment to be italian in this forum but I swear I am legit
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
This calls for a new thread but did they just change their website or am I looking the wrong place?
Wow.
According to Dr. Deepak Rao's webpage (majordeepakrao.com) he is also the "First Indian Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Blackbelt under Rickson Gracie".
But this is not all, he is also: India's Seniormost Grand Master. 9th Deg Blackbelt in Military UAC. President of UCCA, India's largest Academy of Professional Black Belt Instructors. World’s highest Instructor in Bruce Lee's art JKD. II Generation Bruce Lee Descendant. National MMA & BJJ Coach for Russia, Germany & Arizona. Director & Film Maker. A Multidimensional Patriot. An expert Commando Trainer. Professor. Harvard Qualified Doctor. No Intervention Physician. Doctorates In Law, Alt Med & Philosophy. An expert in Samurai Philosophy & studied Religious Literacy & Buddhist scriptures from Harvard University. Trained psychoanalyst, clinical hypnotherapist and Existential mind therapist. India's Top Expert in Zen Buddhism. Sensei /Master Of Mumbai Zen Dojo/Group. Scientist. Researched & Authored 10 Books on Political Science, Pragmatic Philosophy & Non Interventional Medicine. Invented Rao Reflex Shooting System. World Peace Awardee. Top Motivational Keynote Speaker on use of Military / Battle protocol for Management. Hon Major TABN, Parachute Regiment. 1 of 6 Indians to get Presidents Rank Award Since 1947. Pioneer, Modern Close Quarter Battle Training. Helped in modernization of CQB training courses for Northern & Eastern Command battle schools. Trained approx 20,000 soldiers from elite forces. Helped Train Anti Terror Squads of 12 States. He was made Brand Ambassador of Indian Army TA since his commision in 2011. Perhaps the topmost corporate trainer and Motivational Keynote Speaker in the Military field.
Likely also the Most Humble Man You Will Ever Meet.
According to Dr. Deepak Rao's webpage (majordeepakrao.com) he is also the "First Indian Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Blackbelt under Rickson Gracie".
But this is not all, he is also: India's Seniormost Grand Master. 9th Deg Blackbelt in Military UAC. President of UCCA, India's largest Academy of Professional Black Belt Instructors. World’s highest Instructor in Bruce Lee's art JKD. II Generation Bruce Lee Descendant. National MMA & BJJ Coach for Russia, Germany & Arizona. Director & Film Maker. A Multidimensional Patriot. An expert Commando Trainer. Professor. Harvard Qualified Doctor. No Intervention Physician. Doctorates In Law, Alt Med & Philosophy. An expert in Samurai Philosophy & studied Religious Literacy & Buddhist scriptures from Harvard University. Trained psychoanalyst, clinical hypnotherapist and Existential mind therapist. India's Top Expert in Zen Buddhism. Sensei /Master Of Mumbai Zen Dojo/Group. Scientist. Researched & Authored 10 Books on Political Science, Pragmatic Philosophy & Non Interventional Medicine. Invented Rao Reflex Shooting System. World Peace Awardee. Top Motivational Keynote Speaker on use of Military / Battle protocol for Management. Hon Major TABN, Parachute Regiment. 1 of 6 Indians to get Presidents Rank Award Since 1947. Pioneer, Modern Close Quarter Battle Training. Helped in modernization of CQB training courses for Northern & Eastern Command battle schools. Trained approx 20,000 soldiers from elite forces. Helped Train Anti Terror Squads of 12 States. He was made Brand Ambassador of Indian Army TA since his commision in 2011. Perhaps the topmost corporate trainer and Motivational Keynote Speaker in the Military field.
Likely also the Most Humble Man You Will Ever Meet.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Wow. According to Dr. Deepak Rao's webpage (majordeepakrao.com) he is also the 'First Indian Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Blackbelt under Rickson Gracie'. But this is not all, he is also: India's Seniormost Grand Master. 9th Deg Blackbelt in Military UAC. President of UCCA, India's largest Academy of Professional Black Belt Instructors. World’s highest Instructor in Bruce Lee's art JKD. II Generation Bruce Lee Descendant. National MMA & BJJ Coach for Russia, Germany & Arizona. Director & Film Maker. A Multidimensional Patriot. An expert Commando Trainer. Professor. Harvard Qualified Doctor. No Intervention Physician. Doctorates In Law, Alt Med & Philosophy. An expert in Samurai Philosophy & studied Religious Literacy & Buddhist scriptures from Harvard University. Trained psychoanalyst, clinical hypnotherapist and Existential mind therapist. India's Top Expert in Zen Buddhism. Sensei /Master Of Mumbai Zen Dojo/Group. Scientist. Researched & Authored 10 Books on Political Science, Pragmatic Philosophy & Non Interventional Medicine. Invented Rao Reflex Shooting System. World Peace Awardee. Top Motivational Keynote Speaker on use of Military / Battle protocol for Management. Hon Major TABN, Parachute Regiment. 1 of 6 Indians to get Presidents Rank Award Since 1947. Pioneer, Modern Close Quarter Battle Training. Helped in modernization of CQB training courses for Northern & Eastern Command battle schools. Trained approx 20,000 soldiers from elite forces. Helped Train Anti Terror Squads of 12 States. He was made Brand Ambassador of Indian Army TA since his commision in 2011. Perhaps the topmost corporate trainer and Motivational Keynote Speaker in the Military field. Likely also the Most Humble Man You Will Ever Meet.
India is the cradle of martial arts. So Deepak probably gave Rickson his yellow belt.
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
He does seem to display a BJ Black Belt cerificate from Ralph Villa from last fall tho..?
https://bjjmumbai.com/img[...]ficate.jpg
Ralph Villa is under Jay Pages and he also has a (incomplete) profile here.
https://beltchecker.com/p[...]hp?id=5771
I find it suspicious that the cert has a typo in the title: "Lockjaw Brazilain Jiu-Jitsu Academy"
Not to mention that Mr. Deepak Rao claims to be a BJJ BB under at least 3 different instructors...
https://bjjmumbai.com/img[...]ficate.jpg
Ralph Villa is under Jay Pages and he also has a (incomplete) profile here.
https://beltchecker.com/p[...]hp?id=5771
I find it suspicious that the cert has a typo in the title: "Lockjaw Brazilain Jiu-Jitsu Academy"
Not to mention that Mr. Deepak Rao claims to be a BJJ BB under at least 3 different instructors...
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
He does seem to display a BJ Black Belt cerificate from Ralph Villa from last fall tho..? https://bjjmumbai.com/img[...]ficate.jpg Ralph Villa is under Jay Pages and he also has a (incomplete) profile here. https://beltchecker.com/p[...]hp?id=5771 I find it suspicious that the cert has a typo in the title: 'Lockjaw Brazilain Jiu-Jitsu Academy' Not to mention that Mr. Deepak Rao claims to be a BJJ BB under at least 3 different instructors...
I mention my mild suspicion about the claims from this gentleman...
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
The final word on Deepak Rao after going through an interpreter to get down to the truth..
As you can see his prowess is unrivaled. That guy would kick my butt up and down the street without breaking a sweat.
As you can see his prowess is unrivaled. That guy would kick my butt up and down the street without breaking a sweat.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
The final word on Deepak Rao after going through an interpreter to get down to the truth.. As you can see his prowess is unrivaled. That guy would kick my butt up and down the street without breaking a sweat.
Maybe Olegario went for the same goal with Carone...
