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Fake profile exposes why voting just based on (IBJJF) certificate is a bad idea
6 year(s) ago • 15289 views • 109 replies
DDPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
OMG even an Italian black belt voted for the fake Italian black belt - the adventure continues :D
Ahahahahahahhahah
DDPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Wow. According to Dr. Deepak Rao's webpage (majordeepakrao.com) he is also the 'First Indian Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Blackbelt under Rickson Gracie'. But this is not all, he is also: India's Seniormost Grand Master. 9th Deg Blackbelt in Military UAC. President of UCCA, India's largest Academy of Professional Black Belt Instructors. World’s highest Instructor in Bruce Lee's art JKD. II Generation Bruce Lee Descendant. National MMA & BJJ Coach for Russia, Germany & Arizona. Director & Film Maker. A Multidimensional Patriot. An expert Commando Trainer. Professor. Harvard Qualified Doctor. No Intervention Physician. Doctorates In Law, Alt Med & Philosophy. An expert in Samurai Philosophy & studied Religious Literacy & Buddhist scriptures from Harvard University. Trained psychoanalyst, clinical hypnotherapist and Existential mind therapist. India's Top Expert in Zen Buddhism. Sensei /Master Of Mumbai Zen Dojo/Group. Scientist. Researched & Authored 10 Books on Political Science, Pragmatic Philosophy & Non Interventional Medicine. Invented Rao Reflex Shooting System. World Peace Awardee. Top Motivational Keynote Speaker on use of Military / Battle protocol for Management. Hon Major TABN, Parachute Regiment. 1 of 6 Indians to get Presidents Rank Award Since 1947. Pioneer, Modern Close Quarter Battle Training. Helped in modernization of CQB training courses for Northern & Eastern Command battle schools. Trained approx 20,000 soldiers from elite forces. Helped Train Anti Terror Squads of 12 States. He was made Brand Ambassador of Indian Army TA since his commision in 2011. Perhaps the topmost corporate trainer and Motivational Keynote Speaker in the Military field. Likely also the Most Humble Man You Will Ever Meet.
Mmhh.. He reminds me of someone else....
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TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Hi guys, i created this fake prokile as a trap, and who is the only italian who vote for him!!!!??? Cosimo carone, the person who push me to do this test!!!
i m very proud of my waste time.
i m very proud of my waste time.
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Hi guys, i created this fake prokile as a trap, and who is the only italian who vote for him!!!!??? Cosimo carone, the person who push me to do this test!!! i m very proud of my waste time.
Congratulations on your $250 bonus :D
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Hi guys, i created this fake prokile as a trap, and who is the only italian who vote for him!!!!??? Cosimo carone, the person who push me to do this test!!! i m very proud of my waste time.
Send me an email from the email account of record for the bogus account, and reply to my reply from there, confirming it is you, to claim your reward.
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Send me an email from the email account of record for the bogus account, and reply to my reply from there, confirming it is you, to claim your reward.
give me your email! i want the fake prize of fake belt challenge! ho shit, i ve got the 2nd place ...the first is Carone
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
give me your email! i want the fake prize of fake belt challenge! ho shit, i ve got the 2nd place ...the first is Carone
I messaged you instructions.
Remember, you must use the same email account that is on file that was used to create the fake profile on beltchecker.
Remember, you must use the same email account that is on file that was used to create the fake profile on beltchecker.
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I messaged you instructions. Remember, you must use the same email account that is on file that was used to create the fake profile on beltchecker.
Tommaso,
Please respond to the email I sent you to that email account
and include the text of my response in your reply,
along with your paypal email address,
so that I may award your purse,
as promised.
A deal is a deal.
Please respond to the email I sent you to that email account
and include the text of my response in your reply,
along with your paypal email address,
so that I may award your purse,
as promised.
A deal is a deal.
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
And here is Rocco Nichil in the electronic flesh: https://www.facebook.com/[...]o.l.nichil
he was my student, he trained whit me for a month but now is famous all over the world!
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
he was my student, he trained whit me for a month but now is famous all over the world!
Quite famous, now.
I have sent your purse of $250 USD over Pay Pal.
While, on the one hand, I acknowledge that it was a handsome trick,
and perhaps a public service of a kind.
On the other hand, I would remind everyone,
that forging a diploma, or a certificate, or even for that matter, a bank cheque,
Not only falls under the category of "not nice",
but also falls under the category of fraud.
So, I will invite you to spend your $250 USD purse in good health,
with my compliments,
But also, waggle my finger at you,
and say that once was funny,
but suggest that you,
and all other site members,
give up the life of a forger now.
As forgeries, whether they are forged diplomas, univeristy transcripts, or bank checks,
often fool people for a time,
so that people may conduct and transact business in an orderly fashion,
but outside of this incident,
usually come with consequences when such forgeries are discovered.
And they are often discovered, after but a short delay.
I have sent your purse of $250 USD over Pay Pal.
While, on the one hand, I acknowledge that it was a handsome trick,
and perhaps a public service of a kind.
On the other hand, I would remind everyone,
that forging a diploma, or a certificate, or even for that matter, a bank cheque,
Not only falls under the category of "not nice",
but also falls under the category of fraud.
So, I will invite you to spend your $250 USD purse in good health,
with my compliments,
But also, waggle my finger at you,
and say that once was funny,
but suggest that you,
and all other site members,
give up the life of a forger now.
As forgeries, whether they are forged diplomas, univeristy transcripts, or bank checks,
often fool people for a time,
so that people may conduct and transact business in an orderly fashion,
but outside of this incident,
usually come with consequences when such forgeries are discovered.
And they are often discovered, after but a short delay.
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TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
William Murphy tanks! the profile was fake but the prize is real ! me and gran master Rocco Nikil will spend all the money in acay and methamphetamine!
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
William Murphy tanks! the profile was fake but the prize is real ! me and gran master Rocco Nikil will spend all the money in acay and methamphetamine!
Perhaps a little wine, and a steak might serve you both better.
Salud!
Salud!
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CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I think you should spend it ALL on pizza and send us the picture of it!!
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Verifying profiles of people we never met or never heard of, it's like reviewing restaurants on TripAdvisor in cities we never visited. Yes, maybe 98% of the time it's a good restaurant, but what a shame if we put a good review and then other people start posting pictures of fancy cockroaches having fun in the kitchens...
Mr. Davide,
I have worked at several universities as an academic professor.
In universities, we take temporary transcripts on faith when we accept that students have bachelors degrees, masters degrees, and even doctoral degrees.
We do later check them against formal transcripts sent directly from their university, but that is usually months after they have been admitted to the program.
But, in corporate America, and government, where I still work as a consultant,
we accept copies of transcripts and diplomas just as they are, as a matter of custom, and only delve deeper on random spot checks, or when we get reports of problems.
While it is true that all humans are liars,
it is also true that business must still be conducted at an efficient pace, and in an orderly fashion.
And that is why the penalties for forgery are not just civil, but criminal, and are usually not misdemeanors, but felonies.
When people forge checks or forge diplomas, they commit fraud, a criminal infraction in most domiciles,
and also one that would subject one to civil penalties from both the people who relied on that forged diploma,
but also civil damages that may be assessed by those that issue those diplomas.
And that is also precisely why licenses and certificates are issued in the first place,
to accelerate vetting processes into a more efficient manner.
We could always upgrade the site to require biometric scans, I suppose,
and that may be more common than not 5 years from now, or 10....
I have worked at several universities as an academic professor.
In universities, we take temporary transcripts on faith when we accept that students have bachelors degrees, masters degrees, and even doctoral degrees.
We do later check them against formal transcripts sent directly from their university, but that is usually months after they have been admitted to the program.
But, in corporate America, and government, where I still work as a consultant,
we accept copies of transcripts and diplomas just as they are, as a matter of custom, and only delve deeper on random spot checks, or when we get reports of problems.
While it is true that all humans are liars,
it is also true that business must still be conducted at an efficient pace, and in an orderly fashion.
And that is why the penalties for forgery are not just civil, but criminal, and are usually not misdemeanors, but felonies.
When people forge checks or forge diplomas, they commit fraud, a criminal infraction in most domiciles,
and also one that would subject one to civil penalties from both the people who relied on that forged diploma,
but also civil damages that may be assessed by those that issue those diplomas.
And that is also precisely why licenses and certificates are issued in the first place,
to accelerate vetting processes into a more efficient manner.
We could always upgrade the site to require biometric scans, I suppose,
and that may be more common than not 5 years from now, or 10....
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VBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
In any case, well done by the trickster, be they an admin, or a member, or a random person. As for me, I will continue to make reasonable efforts to verify that the ID name matches the IBJJF certificate or card. When possible, I check the IBJJF database, but when there is a calendar year gap, it is always possible that a holder of an IBJJF certificate is not listed on the IBJJF database if their dues are not current, and those with only IBJJF black belt competitor cards are never in the IBJJF public database. I will continue to rely on the admins to screen out the fake IDs, knowing that in most cases, that will be effective. However, no system of distance verification is perfect, a determined forger, could fake the ID of someone we know very well, and fake a certificate too, and snatch photos from someone else's Facebook page, and it would not be until we talked to them personally, and only if we happened to mention beltchecker, that we would happen to detect that a determined forger had gotten past the admin ID verification process, and was using stolen pictures, and/or a forged certificate. Now, if only the website had a biometric identification system...perhaps we could request that as a new feature add.
Agee with you. That's why I am very picky about who I verify, and that why i posted guidelines to make yourself legit without anyone questioning legitimacy and have others wanting to vote to a profile.
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
And here is Rocco Nichil in the electronic flesh: https://www.facebook.com/[...]o.l.nichil
So he was a real person after all (just not a real black belt), that explains how the profile could’ve gotten ID verified...
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
And here is Rocco Nichil in the electronic flesh: https://www.facebook.com/[...]o.l.nichil
So the driver's license uploaded as ID check wasn't faked? Well that's great news for the moderators, I think it calls for a celebration pizza tonight :D
VBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
The plot thickens: There is actually a black belt, bald guy who goes by the name of Rockinho on Instagram :D
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TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
So the driver's license uploaded as ID check wasn't faked? Well that's great news for the moderators, I think it calls for a celebration pizza tonight :D
i changed the number!!!!! don t try this at home!
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
You are hysterical
Thank you! Trying to bring a laugh to everyone during this crazy time.
VBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Thank you! Trying to bring a laugh to everyone during this crazy time.
The moral of the story. I guess is, if you're a fake, your fake ass gets outed. "Your" being the knucklehead faking his blackbelt.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Well... a simple solution that could at first be implemented for the -ahem- technologically more advanced parts of the world (such as Estonia) would be the use / allowance of the DIGITAL SIGNATURE as means of verification :)
(and I actually mean that seriously - that would create no extra burden on Admins part but would be actually easier. The only thing needed to be changed is to add the option of verification into FAQs. The obvious "downside" is that this would at first be a viable option for a tiny fraction for potential Beltchecker users but if added as an option - no harm done for anyone else.)
The people living in countries that might take a while to reach similar solutions can apply for Digital Residency in Estonia :)
https://e-estonia.com/sol[...]residency/
P.S. And AFAIK in additions to Estonia also Austria, Iceland and some other countries have means for legally valid (!) digital signature and several more (Sweden? Denmark?) which have secure means for digital signature BUT it is not equated with physical signature within EU legal space however these would also be probably still safer and more secure compared to current process :)
P.P.S. Christian - should I duplicate to "feature requests" subforum :) ?
(and I actually mean that seriously - that would create no extra burden on Admins part but would be actually easier. The only thing needed to be changed is to add the option of verification into FAQs. The obvious "downside" is that this would at first be a viable option for a tiny fraction for potential Beltchecker users but if added as an option - no harm done for anyone else.)
The people living in countries that might take a while to reach similar solutions can apply for Digital Residency in Estonia :)
https://e-estonia.com/sol[...]residency/
P.S. And AFAIK in additions to Estonia also Austria, Iceland and some other countries have means for legally valid (!) digital signature and several more (Sweden? Denmark?) which have secure means for digital signature BUT it is not equated with physical signature within EU legal space however these would also be probably still safer and more secure compared to current process :)
P.P.S. Christian - should I duplicate to "feature requests" subforum :) ?
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CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Well... a simple solution that could at first be implemented for the -ahem- technologically more advanced parts of the world (such as Estonia) would be the use / allowance of the DIGITAL SIGNATURE as means of verification :) (and I actually mean that seriously - that would create no extra burden on Admins part but would be actually easier. The only thing needed to be changed is to add the option of verification into FAQs. The obvious 'downside' is that this would at first be a viable option for a tiny fraction for potential Beltchecker users but if added as an option - no harm done for anyone else.) The people living in countries that might take a while to reach similar solutions can apply for Digital Residency in Estonia :) https://e-estonia.com/sol[...]residency/ P.S. And AFAIK in additions to Estonia also Austria, Iceland and some other countries have means for legally valid (!) digital signature and several more (Sweden? Denmark?) which have secure means for digital signature BUT it is not equated with physical signature within EU legal space however these would also be probably still safer and more secure compared to current process :) P.P.S. Christian - should I duplicate to 'feature requests' subforum :) ?
It sounds like a lot of work for our hobby project here to figure out implementation of different systems for each country. And still, anyone who wanted to fake a profile could just pick any country for it that doesn’t support digital signatures, anyway :)
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RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
It looks like a lot of work for our hobby project to implement different solutions for each country. And still, anyone who wanted to fake a profile could just pick any country for it that doesn’t support digital signatures, anyway :)
Besides all the fun is in finding these profiles. Let's not ruin now. Lol
CLBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
CWBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Wow, this forum is interesting. Glad my students pushed me into it haha.
We have a situation here in Singapore where a newly established UFC Gym is suing a local BJJ player for (correctly) calling out their hiring of a fake belt on FB. Because of the way laws are structured here, its more or less of a slam dunk for UFC Gym. That said, it's a small community and by doing this they pretty much shot themselves in the face.
So yeah, there's a need for resources like this one, especially in remote markets. Thanks for putting it together, hope it gains traction.
We have a situation here in Singapore where a newly established UFC Gym is suing a local BJJ player for (correctly) calling out their hiring of a fake belt on FB. Because of the way laws are structured here, its more or less of a slam dunk for UFC Gym. That said, it's a small community and by doing this they pretty much shot themselves in the face.
So yeah, there's a need for resources like this one, especially in remote markets. Thanks for putting it together, hope it gains traction.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Christian, I didn't mean that I meant starting with enabling digital signature to a downloadable pre-filled form (insert name only) as means of quick verification. And probably this would grow over time. I think in regards of countries where this is a possibility this would actually make applicants and admins work way easier because checking would be simpler.
