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Purple belts promoting blue belts, thoughts?
6 year(s) ago • 19351 views • 121 replies
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Seems just that Alex has a harder-than-average time with emphatising with other peoples position.
Super hard in written form/Internet anyway. Leads to much wasted man-hours :)
Yes, I do believe that you, Alex are polite and kind in person, highly likely we'd get along just fine, you're definitely an intelligent person and we share the love for BJJ and analysing BJJ. But you do present your opinions in a way that you claim is logical (and therefore you present yourself as open to discussion - the other opinion just needs to be more logical) BUT there is a fallacy there because you have yourself created the rules for your personal viewpoint logic and therefore it's rather impossible to "win" by your rules :) And that leads to where you think other people are inferior in their viewpoint (stupid if you get personal, I don't know if you actually do) and other people think you are closed minded in your viewpoint (stubborn / arrogant if they get personal).
Super hard in written form/Internet anyway. Leads to much wasted man-hours :)
Yes, I do believe that you, Alex are polite and kind in person, highly likely we'd get along just fine, you're definitely an intelligent person and we share the love for BJJ and analysing BJJ. But you do present your opinions in a way that you claim is logical (and therefore you present yourself as open to discussion - the other opinion just needs to be more logical) BUT there is a fallacy there because you have yourself created the rules for your personal viewpoint logic and therefore it's rather impossible to "win" by your rules :) And that leads to where you think other people are inferior in their viewpoint (stupid if you get personal, I don't know if you actually do) and other people think you are closed minded in your viewpoint (stubborn / arrogant if they get personal).
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Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Social media lowers the IQ of all involved.
0D Communication: Texting/Typing (literally a senseless form of communication based upon assumptions and guesswork)
1D Communication: Audio Call (able to at least listen to someone's voice and respond accordingly)
2D Communication: Video Call (able to listen and visualize)
3D Communication: In Person (complete form of communication)
If this site was able to somehow add an audio or video future when posting comments then assumptions could be avoided as clearly in the year 2020 people are unable to use assumptions properly.
0D Communication: Texting/Typing (literally a senseless form of communication based upon assumptions and guesswork)
1D Communication: Audio Call (able to at least listen to someone's voice and respond accordingly)
2D Communication: Video Call (able to listen and visualize)
3D Communication: In Person (complete form of communication)
If this site was able to somehow add an audio or video future when posting comments then assumptions could be avoided as clearly in the year 2020 people are unable to use assumptions properly.
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Seems just that Alex has a harder-than-average time with emphatising with other peoples position. Super hard in written form/Internet anyway. Leads to much wasted man-hours :) Yes, I do believe that you, Alex are polite and kind in person, highly likely we'd get along just fine, you're definitely an intelligent person and we share the love for BJJ and analysing BJJ. But you do present your opinions in a way that you claim is logical (and therefore you present yourself as open to discussion - the other opinion just needs to be more logical) BUT there is a fallacy there because you have yourself created the rules for your personal viewpoint logic and therefore it's rather impossible to 'win' by your rules :) And that leads to where you think other people are inferior in their viewpoint (stupid if you get personal, I don't know if you actually do) and other people think you are closed minded in your viewpoint (stubborn / arrogant if they get personal).
I don't consider your opinion inferior.
If you want to say that the IBJJF wouldn't recognise my promotion / belt - fine, probably true.
If you want to say that the standards for belts / promotions are higher in your system / club / lineage - fine, probably true.
I don't think it's that I don't understand your position, it's just that all I really care about is getting into the NAGA and Grappling Industries blue belt division and developing my skills against a higher level of competition. I'm 34 years old, at best I could compete until i'm 40, which means in the absolute best case scenario i might get 1 season at purple belt before I end my competition days. I've competed in: Rugby (7 seasons), American Football (2 seasons), Natural Bodybuilding (1 season), MMA and BJJ, i still want more fights in MMA in future too. Notice none of those have any kind of belt system or any sort of recognition of skill beyond your competition record, so it's just the culture I come from.
I also really don't like the IBJJF so i'm going to reject any question that has an embedded premise that I should be following their rules. It does feel a bit personal being a flipping blue belt and having the 3rd most viewed profile on the site, but honestly I don't think we'd have this problem if we were talking face to face with the benefit of tone and body language, we'd probably end up laughing.
If you want to say that the IBJJF wouldn't recognise my promotion / belt - fine, probably true.
If you want to say that the standards for belts / promotions are higher in your system / club / lineage - fine, probably true.
I don't think it's that I don't understand your position, it's just that all I really care about is getting into the NAGA and Grappling Industries blue belt division and developing my skills against a higher level of competition. I'm 34 years old, at best I could compete until i'm 40, which means in the absolute best case scenario i might get 1 season at purple belt before I end my competition days. I've competed in: Rugby (7 seasons), American Football (2 seasons), Natural Bodybuilding (1 season), MMA and BJJ, i still want more fights in MMA in future too. Notice none of those have any kind of belt system or any sort of recognition of skill beyond your competition record, so it's just the culture I come from.
I also really don't like the IBJJF so i'm going to reject any question that has an embedded premise that I should be following their rules. It does feel a bit personal being a flipping blue belt and having the 3rd most viewed profile on the site, but honestly I don't think we'd have this problem if we were talking face to face with the benefit of tone and body language, we'd probably end up laughing.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Let bygones be bygones :) I (also literally) don't dispute your belt nor skill in any way.
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
It does feel a bit personal being a flipping blue belt and having the 3rd most viewed profile on the site,
Stop bragging about the view count lol it literally will go up every time you refresh your own page, I am #20 just because I refresh a lot it's def not because people are wondering what I am up to. The view count is more of a metric of how much time you waste looking at your own page or checking notifications then anything else :-p
The people who check and respond on the forums is pretty much down to around 20 to 30 people anyways.
The people who check and respond on the forums is pretty much down to around 20 to 30 people anyways.

Brown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I'm 34 years old, at best I could compete until i'm 40, which means in the absolute best case scenario i might get 1 season at purple belt before I end my competition days.
That's a bit of nonsense. I'm 45 and have been actively competing for about 5 years now. Normally don't even fight in my age group and am normally the oldest in my division.
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Stop bragging about the view count lol it literally will go up every time you refresh your own page, I am #20 just because I refresh a lot it's def not because people are wondering what I am up to. The view count is more of a metric of how much time you waste looking at your own page or checking notifications then anything else :-p
Made me laugh. :D
But if the number of views there after the # ranking is correct, I find it quite amazing that Alex has refreshed his own page 24.450 times.
But if the number of views there after the # ranking is correct, I find it quite amazing that Alex has refreshed his own page 24.450 times.
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
That's a bit of nonsense. I'm 45 and have been actively competing for about 5 years now. Normally don't even fight in my age group and am normally the oldest in my division.
No it's not nonsense. I have my own reasons why I won't be competing in my 40s and they just don't apply to your life.
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Made me laugh. :D But if the number of views there after the # ranking is correct, I find it quite amazing that Alex has refreshed his own page 24.450 times.
Most profile view counts outside of Christian I am guessing is at least 90% of their own doing and the other 10% maybe from others.
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Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Stop bragging about the view count lol it literally will go up every time you refresh your own page, I am #20 just because I refresh a lot it's def not because people are wondering what I am up to. The view count is more of a metric of how much time you waste looking at your own page or checking notifications then anything else :-p The people who check and respond on the forums is pretty much down to around 20 to 30 people anyways.
I'm just saying that if people have time to check out blue belts then at least look at an interesting one like Jack Dolan, someone who actually has an interesting future in BJJ
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Most profile view counts outside of Christian I am guessing is at least 90% of their own doing and the other 10% maybe from others.
What makes you think Christian doesn't like looking at himself?
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Most profile view counts outside of Christian I am guessing is at least 90% of their own doing and the other 10% maybe from others.
So i only refreshed my page 22,005 times? Or did i pay someone on upwork to do it for me?
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
What makes you think Christian doesn't like looking at himself?
I am sure he does just the percentage of his views being himself clicking on his own profile is most likely less then 90% compared to most other profiles. Just guesswork.
I am fairly certain that at least 90% of my "views" and most everyone else's views are just them refreshing their own page.
I am fairly certain that at least 90% of my "views" and most everyone else's views are just them refreshing their own page.
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
So i only refreshed my page 22,005 times? Or did i pay someone on upwork to do it for me?
Not sure exactly how long you have been on this website but I believe at least 6 months.
6 x 30 = 180.
22,000 divide by 180 = 122 per day (would be less if the start time is more then 6 months ago)
122 divide by 16 = 7 per hour.
I mean it is very possible that you check the website around 100 times per day lol nothing wrong with that but it is mathematically possible.
6 x 30 = 180.
22,000 divide by 180 = 122 per day (would be less if the start time is more then 6 months ago)
122 divide by 16 = 7 per hour.
I mean it is very possible that you check the website around 100 times per day lol nothing wrong with that but it is mathematically possible.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
So i only refreshed my page 22,005 times? Or did i pay someone on upwork to do it for me?
I'm sure that Christian posting a link to Alex's profile at the top of this topic has something to do with it also.
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Not sure exactly how long you have been on this website but I believe at least 6 months. 6 x 30 = 180. 22,000 divide by 180 = 122 per day (would be less if the start time is more then 6 months ago) 122 divide by 16 = 7 per hour. I mean it is very possible that you check the website around 100 times per day lol nothing wrong with that but it is mathematically possible.
I like how you picked 16 as the hours in the day to divide by, literally from the moment i wake up to the moment i go to bed. In the shower, on the toilet, in between rolls...
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Let bygones be bygones :) I (also literally) don't dispute your belt nor skill in any way.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I knew I should've bookmarked not the front page but my own profile page :(
h2xx0rz...
h2xx0rz...
Brown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Each to his own.
I gave stripes on my whitebelts occasionally, but personally I don’t promote my members to bluebelt as purplebelt - I leave that to our blackbelt.
I gave stripes on my whitebelts occasionally, but personally I don’t promote my members to bluebelt as purplebelt - I leave that to our blackbelt.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Since no one asked me, I completely agree with Daniël Bertina: "In the year our Lord 2020, purple belts promoting blues is like 15 year olds giving life advice to toddlers."
But what do I know, I am not a fresh blue belt or a purple belt.
But what do I know, I am not a fresh blue belt or a purple belt.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Seems just that Alex has a harder-than-average time with empathising with other peoples position. Super hard in written form/Internet anyway. Leads to much wasted man-hours :) Yes, I do believe that you, Alex are polite and kind in person, highly likely we'd get along just fine, you're definitely an intelligent person and we share the love for BJJ and analysing BJJ. .
Ha - yeah, having hung out with Alex a fair bit at a couple of camps now, I can confirm he comes across waaaaaay better in person than on these threads (though he is also consistently good at creating massive threads, so that's a skill
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
In the year our Lord 2020, purple belts promoting blues is like 15 year olds giving life advice to toddlers.
To use the metaphor, I would expect that most 15-year-olds are able to give some fairly solid advice to toddlers, considering their relative experience in life. A 15-year-old could reliably guide the toddler to avoid electrical outlets and other dangerous objects, which is really important at that stage in your life. But more importantly, most 15-year-olds would be able to pick out a toddler if they saw one, which I think is more accurately what we're talking about here.
I think we all can agree that nobody should be ranked without having met some sort of criteria, whether it be ability, technical or theoretical knowledge (or more realistically a combination) related to BJJ. I also don't think that most of us are cool with random purple belts just randomly promoting random white belts to blue belt. This is why I think it's important to have a black belt give the "OK" on such promotions, because why else would everybody be trying to get to black belt if there isn't something more meaningful to it other than that really cool red ranking bar?
I think we all can agree that nobody should be ranked without having met some sort of criteria, whether it be ability, technical or theoretical knowledge (or more realistically a combination) related to BJJ. I also don't think that most of us are cool with random purple belts just randomly promoting random white belts to blue belt. This is why I think it's important to have a black belt give the "OK" on such promotions, because why else would everybody be trying to get to black belt if there isn't something more meaningful to it other than that really cool red ranking bar?
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
A side note on stripes.
We don't do them, except for black belt.
I always thought it was a retainment tool.
But my friend Wim Deputter changed my mind.
He stripes white belts until blue, to motivate the beginners. After that you're a big boy, and no more stripes.
We don't do them, except for black belt.
I always thought it was a retainment tool.
But my friend Wim Deputter changed my mind.
He stripes white belts until blue, to motivate the beginners. After that you're a big boy, and no more stripes.
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Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I was against stripes now we do them. More meticulously for WBs, coloured less so.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Interesting: I really dislike stripes and can't see myself ever using them, but now I'm curious why you guys both changed your minds. Perhaps there's something I haven't considered? :D
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I was against stripes now we do them. More meticulously for WBs, coloured less so.
I agree with you. The stats speak for themselves. Less than 1 % of people that even TRY jiu jitsu make it out of blue belt... if a damn piece of tape will install a little bit more strength in someone’s heart...............
At the end of the day, we want more students to last for the long haul..... and unfortunately not everybody is made for that journey. Some folks just need that symbology to enforce their reason to progress... I think it was a good addition to our martial art for the sake of growth.
At the end of the day, we want more students to last for the long haul..... and unfortunately not everybody is made for that journey. Some folks just need that symbology to enforce their reason to progress... I think it was a good addition to our martial art for the sake of growth.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
At the end of the day, we want more students to last for the long haul..... and unfortunately not everybody is made for that journey. Some folks just need that symbology to enforce their reason to progress... I think it was a good addition to our martial art for the sake of growth.
That's a fair point, I can understand that reasoning. It doesn't make me consider using stripes, but I can at least understand why people might institute them.
I prefer to encourage students in other ways, that aren't related to promotion. E.g., regularly chatting to them, sending a message to see how they're doing if I haven't seen them on the mats in a while, etc. That's been quite effective: a number of times, it's gotten somebody back onto the mats after they've been away a long time.
I prefer to encourage students in other ways, that aren't related to promotion. E.g., regularly chatting to them, sending a message to see how they're doing if I haven't seen them on the mats in a while, etc. That's been quite effective: a number of times, it's gotten somebody back onto the mats after they've been away a long time.
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I feel like if your going to do stripes they should mean something and not just be attendance based or well its another promotion day but your not ready for your next belt so here's a stripe.
Not in any order:
Stripe #1: Ability to survive. Escapes/Reversals/Movement
Stripe #2: Ability not to get guard passed (Guard Retention) & ability to sweep opponents removing their posts. Distance/Space management. Able to Manipulate Opponent with strategy.
Stripe #3: Ability to pass guard and not get swept. Having good balance and post awareness. Comfortable in neutral and 1/2 guard positions.
Stripe #4: Ability to control your opponents. Maintaining and transitioning through positions while going for submissions and able to start chaining controlled methodical submission attempts together.
Being promoted to Blue Belt:
- Having a Plan A & B from every position.
- Being able to be calm and relaxed and not stressed in any position.
- Being able to easily manage a larger/stronger opponent with less experience.
- Know how to transition to any position near the current position like a video game controller. Forward, Backwards, Left, Right etc., while still understanding the need to either create or remove space, being aware of your posts and posture while controlling your opponents. Overhook/Underhook crossface awareness.
- The general ability to flow with your opponents with no need to try and win every roll and be able to learn something from any roll by either letting the other person work or understanding what you need to focus on to get better. Improving your weaknesses as your opponents most likely will take the path of least resistance.
Not in any order:
Stripe #1: Ability to survive. Escapes/Reversals/Movement
Stripe #2: Ability not to get guard passed (Guard Retention) & ability to sweep opponents removing their posts. Distance/Space management. Able to Manipulate Opponent with strategy.
Stripe #3: Ability to pass guard and not get swept. Having good balance and post awareness. Comfortable in neutral and 1/2 guard positions.
Stripe #4: Ability to control your opponents. Maintaining and transitioning through positions while going for submissions and able to start chaining controlled methodical submission attempts together.
Being promoted to Blue Belt:
- Having a Plan A & B from every position.
- Being able to be calm and relaxed and not stressed in any position.
- Being able to easily manage a larger/stronger opponent with less experience.
- Know how to transition to any position near the current position like a video game controller. Forward, Backwards, Left, Right etc., while still understanding the need to either create or remove space, being aware of your posts and posture while controlling your opponents. Overhook/Underhook crossface awareness.
- The general ability to flow with your opponents with no need to try and win every roll and be able to learn something from any roll by either letting the other person work or understanding what you need to focus on to get better. Improving your weaknesses as your opponents most likely will take the path of least resistance.
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Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I feel like if your going to do stripes they should mean something and not just be attendance based or well its another promotion day but your not ready for your next belt so here's a stripe. Not in any order: Stripe #1: Ability to survive. Escapes/Reversals/Movement Stripe #2: Ability not to get guard passed (Guard Retention) & ability to sweep opponents removing their posts. Distance/Space management. Able to Manipulate Opponent with strategy. Stripe #3: Ability to pass guard and not get swept. Having good balance and post awareness. Comfortable in neutral and 1/2 guard positions. Stripe #4: Ability to control your opponents. Maintaining and transitioning through positions while going for submissions and able to start chaining controlled methodical submission attempts together. Being promoted to Blue Belt: - Having a Plan A & B from every position. - Being able to be calm and relaxed and not stressed in any position. - Being able to easily manage a larger/stronger opponent with less experience. - Know how to transition to any position near the current position like a video game controller. Forward, Backwards, Left, Right etc., while still understanding the need to either create or remove space, being aware of your posts and posture while controlling your opponents. Overhook/Underhook crossface awareness. - The general ability to flow with your opponents with no need to try and win every roll and be able to learn something from any roll by either letting the other person work or understanding what you need to focus on to get better. Improving your weaknesses as your opponents most likely will take the path of least resistance.
Interesting... Your version of white sounds a lot like blue and your version of blue sounds a lot like purple...
Maybe your version of the belts are the later stages of each of them?...
I find the beginning and end of the the first three belts to be a relatively big difference...in my limited experience at least.
Maybe your version of the belts are the later stages of each of them?...
I find the beginning and end of the the first three belts to be a relatively big difference...in my limited experience at least.
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Interesting... Your version of white sounds a lot like blue and your version of blue sounds a lot like purple... Maybe your version of the belts are the later stages of each of them?... I find the beginning and end of the the first three belts to be a relatively big difference...in my limited experience at least.
Well I am just a white belt...but to me a purple belt is someone who can really pressure you with non stopped chained attacks from every position be it simply passing or submission attempts. Just flat out overwhelm you with knowledge and experience from everywhere. They can easily escape and reverse every position as well without even thinking about it. It has just become natural and instinctual to the point to where they should be a step ahead of someone not at that level as they no longer have to really think about any basic movements...the body just does it without thinking. The only thinking at this point should be strategy based. This may be more of a 2 to 3 stripe purple belt thing. But to me that is the difference.
I can always feel the difference between a good competition purple belt who just knows exactly what they want to do from anywhere and everywhere with a solid idea of what to do no matter what happens compared to some more casual non competition purple belts which can be sometimes overwhelmed with pure aggression or someone just having a better A game as they might be well rounded but not really great at anything. A purple belt in my opinion should have an amazing A game and a really good B game already developed and not have any glaring weaknesses.
Purple Belt is an Advanced belt and in my opinion in order to be advanced you should be close to the above.
Blue Belt is an intermediate belt. And in order to be intermediate I think you should be able to do all that I described in the previous post or your still a beginner.
Just my opinion and Brown and Black Belts should just be God Mode and Cheat Code Mode. (Exceptionally Advanced belts)
But I also don't think anyone should be able to get their brown and black belts. I don't believe in participation awards based on attendance. I think just about anyone should be able to get their Blue Belt and most people that don't quit should be able to get Purple eventually. But I think some people could train 10+ years and still not really be what you would call exceptionally advanced based on various factors and should not be awarded brown or black just for dedication alone. Ones ability to be advanced in performance should be at that level regardless of time spent or the future of jiu-jitsu belts would be that of what Karate/TKD have become today where 7 year old's are getting black belts.
Promoting someone a little bit to soon to Blue Belt is one thing. But promoting someone to soon to purple belt will just get them destroyed in competition and possibly injured and out of jiu-jitsu all together. And getting legit tapped by really good white belts might destroy their ego as well. By the time you get to purple you really shouldn't be getting tapped by any white belts even if they are "advanced beginners" unless they are some super human college wrestling champion as you should be "advanced". Unless you are just letting them work you into horrible positions. But even then you should be able to escape unless your letting them apply the finish.
I can always feel the difference between a good competition purple belt who just knows exactly what they want to do from anywhere and everywhere with a solid idea of what to do no matter what happens compared to some more casual non competition purple belts which can be sometimes overwhelmed with pure aggression or someone just having a better A game as they might be well rounded but not really great at anything. A purple belt in my opinion should have an amazing A game and a really good B game already developed and not have any glaring weaknesses.
Purple Belt is an Advanced belt and in my opinion in order to be advanced you should be close to the above.
Blue Belt is an intermediate belt. And in order to be intermediate I think you should be able to do all that I described in the previous post or your still a beginner.
Just my opinion and Brown and Black Belts should just be God Mode and Cheat Code Mode. (Exceptionally Advanced belts)
But I also don't think anyone should be able to get their brown and black belts. I don't believe in participation awards based on attendance. I think just about anyone should be able to get their Blue Belt and most people that don't quit should be able to get Purple eventually. But I think some people could train 10+ years and still not really be what you would call exceptionally advanced based on various factors and should not be awarded brown or black just for dedication alone. Ones ability to be advanced in performance should be at that level regardless of time spent or the future of jiu-jitsu belts would be that of what Karate/TKD have become today where 7 year old's are getting black belts.
Promoting someone a little bit to soon to Blue Belt is one thing. But promoting someone to soon to purple belt will just get them destroyed in competition and possibly injured and out of jiu-jitsu all together. And getting legit tapped by really good white belts might destroy their ego as well. By the time you get to purple you really shouldn't be getting tapped by any white belts even if they are "advanced beginners" unless they are some super human college wrestling champion as you should be "advanced". Unless you are just letting them work you into horrible positions. But even then you should be able to escape unless your letting them apply the finish.
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