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Can we verify these belts? (Randy Lasu Rogers & Jordan Gregory, Pure Jiu Jitsu)

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David Ferrazzano
David Ferrazzano
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I'm the one who mentioned Haueter on reddit to point out that for this guy to be a 7th degree he'd have had to be promoted to black belt in 1989 and it would fundamentally change who we know as the first set of American BJJ black belts. The Dirty Dozen weren't promoted until the mid 90s. https://www.bjjheroes.com[...]irty-dozen
Truth !!
Joe_Wick
Joe_wick
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5 year(s) ago
Just from what little I looked at this Id wager there is some real mental instability going on.
R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
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5 year(s) ago
Just from what little I looked at this Id wager there is some real mental instability going on.
That is my impression as well. Def some mental issues.
Vovis
Vovis
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5 year(s) ago
I'm the one who mentioned Haueter on reddit to point out that for this guy to be a 7th degree he'd have had to be promoted to black belt in 1989 and it would fundamentally change who we know as the first set of American BJJ black belts. The Dirty Dozen weren't promoted until the mid 90s. https://www.bjjheroes.com[...]irty-dozen
This has really been fun to watch this feed today. Provided much enjoyment.

Moral of the story don't fuck with jiu-jitsu community and present yourself as something that you are not. We will call you on it.
Sean Mcentee
Sean McEntee
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5 year(s) ago
I trained in Albuquerque from 2012-2018. I ran into Lasu a few times, but was more familiar with him through stories I was told by his students who became my instructors, teammates, and friends. Full disclosure, I received my brown belt from his student/friend, Kevin "Conan" Bankens in 2016.

There is a very good chance Lasu is a legit black belt and probably at least one or two stripes. By all accounts (even from people who swear he's crazy) his BJJ is at a black belt level. Unfortunately he is locally infamous for striping himself and other people off schedule. He had an academy for a while in the 2008-2010 range but it went under for some reason. So one of the main reasons he's flown under the radar for the last 10 years is he only taught privates or "seminars".

Since he's opened a new academy though, he apparently decided to ramp up his shenanigans. He obviously fell prey to the fear of not being prestigious enough and decided just having a brown belt as an assistant coach didn't seem as cool as having a two stripe black. A real shame for the assistant coach (Jordan Gregory), who I'm told was a brown belt for a few years.
Bridget Jack Jeffries
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I trained in Albuquerque from 2012-2018. I ran into Lasu a few times, but was more familiar with him through stories I was told by his students who became my instructors, teammates, and friends. Full disclosure, I received my brown belt from his student/friend, Kevin 'Conan' Bankens in 2016. There is a very good chance Lasu is a legit black belt and probably at least one or two stripes. By all accounts (even from people who swear he's crazy) his BJJ is at a black belt level. Unfortunately he is locally infamous for striping himself and other people off schedule. He had an academy for a while in the 2008-2010 range but it went under for some reason. So one of the main reasons he's flown under the radar for the last 10 years is he only taught privates or 'seminars'. Since he's opened a new academy though, he apparently decided to ramp up his shenanigans. He obviously fell prey to the fear of not being prestigious enough and decided just having a brown belt as an assistant coach didn't seem as cool as having a two stripe black. A real shame for the assistant coach (Jordan Gregory), who I'm told was a brown belt for a few years.
Comments from "local" BJJ folks who know them / know of them are exactly what I was hoping to get when I started this thread. Thank you!
Drew Brunning
Drew Brunning
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5 year(s) ago
Response from Carlos Machado's school (edited for punctuation):

"Hello Drew. Pure jiu-jitsu is not an RCJ Affiliate nor anywhere on our rolls. If they are falsely claiming that please let us know.
According to Master Carlos, he joined our association with rank already and was asked to leave. "

This rabbit hole goes deep.
Bridget Jack Jeffries
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5 year(s) ago
This is a good example of why mainstream adoption of Beltchecker would not be a bad thing for the sport, at all.
This thread is rapidly highlighting one of the strengths of BeltChecker: that even when BJJ practitioners don't have BeltChecker profiles, we have enough of a community here to investigate sketchy belts/degrees and call them out.
David Ferrazzano
David Ferrazzano
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5 year(s) ago
This thread is rapidly highlighting one of the strengths of BeltChecker: that even when BJJ practitioners don't have BeltChecker profiles, we have enough of a community here to investigate sketchy belts/degrees and call them out.
I agree, it's very impressive what was accomplished in a short time
David Ferrazzano
David Ferrazzano
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Response from Carlos Machado's school (edited for punctuation): 'Hello Drew. Pure jiu-jitsu is not an RCJ Affiliate nor anywhere on our rolls. If they are falsely claiming that please let us know. According to Master Carlos, he joined our association with rank already and was asked to leave. ' This rabbit hole goes deep.
This explains why he stopped wearing the RCJ Machado gi and started claiming Fadda Lineage
Bridget Jack Jeffries
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This explains why he stopped wearing the RCJ Machado gi and started claiming Fadda Lineage
So if he showed up at Carlos Machado's "with rank," who gave him the black belt?
David Ferrazzano
David Ferrazzano
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5 year(s) ago
So if he showed up at Carlos Machado's 'with rank,' who gave him the black belt?
That's just it. Cause he claimed Fadda only after Machado dropped him. I'm still going with fake. I keep hearing "he's black belt level" it what is that being compared to?
Vovis
Vovis
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5 year(s) ago
So if he showed up at Carlos Machado's 'with rank,' who gave him the black belt?
I'd like yo know who promoted him? That would go a long way in resolving this.
Bridget Jack Jeffries
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5 year(s) ago
That's just it. Cause he claimed Fadda only after Machado dropped him. I'm still going with fake. I keep hearing 'he's black belt level' it what is that being compared to?
And Fadda himself has been dead for years. But there must be former students who could tell us whether they've ever heard of him?
David Ferrazzano
David Ferrazzano
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5 year(s) ago
And Fadda himself has been dead for years. But there must be former students who could tell us whether they've ever heard of him?
He calls Edmilson Alves his teacher... who is 8th degree under fadda . But he posts "Fadda lineage"
Drew Brunning
Drew Brunning
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5 year(s) ago
There is a very good chance Lasu is a legit black belt and probably at least one or two stripes. By all accounts (even from people who swear he's crazy) his BJJ is at a black belt level.
That's unfortunate. It does line up with what folks have been saying on reddit, but the fact that there's no trace of who promoted him doesn't bode well. Per LLC filings, it looks like he already had a school in 2009/2010 (filed in 2009, but the Foursquare listing noted it was operating from 2010). Honestly, anyone training for at least 11 years with the right resources, and who could already pass off as a black belt to get affiliations by that point even, likely would have the grappling skills by now, especially if he'd been getting legit folks in to work with and rank. That doesn't mean anyone has promoted him though, and if no one promoted him, he's not a black belt.

Of note - this isn't the first claim I was able to find of a brown belt jumping ship to him just for rank either: http://68.67.68.181/index[...]_id=001777

(This link also mentions a Nova Uniao [Fadda Lineage] connection, so that might be the next part of the rabbit hole I chase)
Drew Brunning
Drew Brunning
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5 year(s) ago
I'd like yo know who promoted him? That would go a long way in resolving this.
I think that's the million dollar question, and unfortunately there's nothing in any Google search I've been able to turn up and the answer to that from former students who have interacted with me on other platforms seem to point to dead ends so far.
Vovis
Vovis
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5 year(s) ago
Moral of the story don't fuck with the jiu-jitsu community and present yourself as something that you are not. We will call you on it.
David Ferrazzano
David Ferrazzano
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5 year(s) ago
Moral of the story don't fuck with the jiu-jitsu community and present yourself as something that you are not. We will call you on it.
Amen to that!
Sean Mcentee
Sean McEntee
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5 year(s) ago
Of note - this isn't the first claim I was able to find of a brown belt jumping ship to him just for rank either
Oh lord Mark Bradford, I trained under him when I first got to Albuquerque in 2012, he told us he was promoted by Alberto Crane! I'm waiting to hear back from an old student of Lasu's to see who promoted Mark... Welcome to the full brunt of Albuquerque gym drama lol.
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David Ferrazzano
David Ferrazzano
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5 year(s) ago
forget these guys. how about verifying my purple belt. it’s obvious something is fake about these guys
It worked for me earlier in the thread so I'd be a hypocrite not clicking yes for you.
Shawn Carn
Shawn Carn
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified195 forum posts3100/1000
5 year(s) ago
OK ONLY thing that i can think of is that he is ranking himself via the Japanese Jiujitsu rankings.. ONLY way he would have 7 degrees.

I want answers though...
Ben Wynne
Ben Wynne
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5 year(s) ago
sooo I had to add my two cents to that thread on fb..... we'll see how this goes.
That's gold!
"Much respect to you" doesn't really answer your questions though...

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