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Go to submission or favorite submission?
4 year(s) ago • 55591 views • 142 replies
CBBrown beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I used to love doing crazy submissions, but nowadays, I focus more on subs I can do without giving up position or that I can also use and a control to transition to other attacks. Triangles, Kimuras, RNC, Heel Books in NoGi, Guillotine, Darce and Anaconda Chokes are my go to nowadays. I also love trapping people in reverse Triangles and using that to control as I go for a Kimura. Step Over Chokes in the Gi are also fun.
CBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I've started to hit this weird forearm slicer (potato slicer?) a lot recently. It has become one of my high percentage finishes (probably cause nobody expects it and tapping to it means "you f*cked up a long time ago". Caught my student with it from bottom side control today. Easiest to do from north/south kimura, or back control.
Filmed a quick clip for my instagram today. (Shameless plug.)
Filmed a quick clip for my instagram today. (Shameless plug.)
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I've started to hit this weird forearm slicer (potato slicer?) a lot recently. It has become one of my high percentage finishes (probably cause nobody expects it and tapping to it means 'you f*cked up a long time ago'. Caught my student with it from bottom side control today. Easiest to do from north/south kimura, or back control. Filmed a quick clip for my instagram today. (Shameless plug.)
If were thinking about the same thing I also do that more as a demonstration to lower belts about how just 2 connection points and pressure is sometimes all you need once the space is removed. I'm not giving up the Kimura for anything though.
But I will start with the kimura grip and your basically doing a bicep slicer but the pressure is on the forearm.
My left forearm in their bicep and you force their forearm straight down into your forearm and can even do a wrist lock if you want.
But I will start with the kimura grip and your basically doing a bicep slicer but the pressure is on the forearm.
My left forearm in their bicep and you force their forearm straight down into your forearm and can even do a wrist lock if you want.
JABlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I've started to hit this weird forearm slicer (potato slicer?) a lot recently. It has become one of my high percentage finishes (probably cause nobody expects it and tapping to it means 'you f*cked up a long time ago'. Caught my student with it from bottom side control today. Easiest to do from north/south kimura, or back control. Filmed a quick clip for my instagram today. (Shameless plug.)
That looks tremendous. I'm a big fan of tech mount and not having friends anyways as a wristlocker this seems perfect! Thanks!
JABlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I've also been working kata-hajime (single wing choke) from all sorts of positions that you normally wouldn't think of (tech mount, mount, closed guard).
An an old school ECW fan (american pro hardcore wrestling) I have to always fight to not call it the Tazmission lol
An an old school ECW fan (american pro hardcore wrestling) I have to always fight to not call it the Tazmission lol
CBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
If were thinking about the same thing I also do that more as a demonstration to lower belts about how just 2 connection points and pressure is sometimes all you need once the space is removed. I'm not giving up the Kimura for anything though. But I will start with the kimura grip and your basically doing a bicep slicer but the pressure is on the forearm. My left forearm in their bicep and you force their forearm straight down into your forearm and can even do a wrist lock if you want.
Kimura grip is actually inferior to the RNC grip. Even for a kimura.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I've also been working kata-hajime (single wing choke) from all sorts of positions that you normally wouldn't think of (tech mount, mount, closed guard). An an old school ECW fan (american pro hardcore wrestling) I have to always fight to not call it the Tazmission lol
How do you do those when you are not behind the opponent?
JABlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
How do you do those when you are not behind the opponent?
From mount I have my right arm in a single hand choke, and my left arm goes under their arm, threading behind head, I twist my left forarm up pushing them into the choke.
still a work in progress - trying to see what unorthdox positions you can hit this choke from.
still a work in progress - trying to see what unorthdox positions you can hit this choke from.
GFBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
"[...] Mine is the north south choke."
Cool! it's one I'm working on for the moment, I still have problems re-adjusting for a perfect fit if I don't get it right away and they wiggle out. any tips?
I've actually watched the entire Marcelo Garcia "Complete North South Choke" too, but I'm still not so comfortable with it.
My go-to is kimura control to armbar, where I try to set-up the armbar by preemptively controlling each arm separately before going for the armbar, often using the kimura to set-up an armpit grip.
I've devoured all the escapes of the kimura that I could find, and try to make my kimura control work despite those
I've actually watched the entire Marcelo Garcia "Complete North South Choke" too, but I'm still not so comfortable with it.
My go-to is kimura control to armbar, where I try to set-up the armbar by preemptively controlling each arm separately before going for the armbar, often using the kimura to set-up an armpit grip.
I've devoured all the escapes of the kimura that I could find, and try to make my kimura control work despite those
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I have this old clip of NS choke, enjoy and/or give feedback https://youtu.be/HHTr-q2ZNBk
JBPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
In no-Gi it’s for sure the darce choke. But I’m the Gi I like trapping the far side arm with the lapel and then sticking my arm in the loop for a lapel assisted Ezekiel. Sometimes I’ll come up into a half knee on belly if I need a little more angle to get my arm in.
GFBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I have this old clip of NS choke, enjoy and/or give feedback https://youtu.be/HHTr-q2ZNBk
cool, thanks Jorgen, just watched your "Science of Chokes - North South Strangle"*
it's always nice to see different folks doing variations;
biceps compresses one carotid
rib cage the other
palm down, like Marcelo
it's pretty much the textbook MGinAction NSChoke
I've gotten it to work in the past and I have the basic mechanics right, but I need more work against resistance and troubleshooting defenses, like you show towards the end.
undo ribcage and re-adjust
redirect the framing arm
cheers,
gerald
*loved a recent comment by Lachlan that if we're going to be precise about Strangles and not Chokes, then "breaking mechanics" should only be used when bones are breaking, otherwise it's soft tissues and ligaments tearing. ^^
it's always nice to see different folks doing variations;
biceps compresses one carotid
rib cage the other
palm down, like Marcelo
it's pretty much the textbook MGinAction NSChoke
I've gotten it to work in the past and I have the basic mechanics right, but I need more work against resistance and troubleshooting defenses, like you show towards the end.
undo ribcage and re-adjust
redirect the framing arm
cheers,
gerald
*loved a recent comment by Lachlan that if we're going to be precise about Strangles and not Chokes, then "breaking mechanics" should only be used when bones are breaking, otherwise it's soft tissues and ligaments tearing. ^^
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I think Lachlan's was a good joke, however I think semantically it's not about BREAKING the joint in the sense that mechanically breaking the tissue/material but BREAKING = rendering dysfunctional/inoperable and that IS being done in joint locks.
BTW, I don't think ribcage can compress the other carotid. It's too wide area. At best it's done it the lat when placement is perfect, however most times the ribcage is pressing the head/neck in a way that maximizes the biceps pressure.
BTW, I don't think ribcage can compress the other carotid. It's too wide area. At best it's done it the lat when placement is perfect, however most times the ribcage is pressing the head/neck in a way that maximizes the biceps pressure.
MRBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Choke from Crucifix since my white belt days. I had a lot of problems finishing from the back and I loved the control over the defensive possibilities of the opponent that the crucifix gives me. But since i was a beginner and no one had taught me the position I was always worried that it was a low-percentage move or position. When the arm trap from the back sequences from DDS started to make the rounds and I saw videos of Marcello Garcia and Baret Yoshida using it along with Danaher himself saying the crucifix is underutilized, it felt like the biggest compliment I ever received.
JRWhite beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Love me a good Ezekial. I can hit it from anywhere and on almost anyone.
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SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Nothing gives me more joy, than tapping someone by positional pressure. Especially using The Demoralizer. https://youtu.be/r2WcSLd1UQY
Ha - you are a horrible, horrible man. But excellent teacher: I just have to take out all the nasty bits when I use the stuff you teach me. The kimura hug (can't remember what you called it) you showed back at Heidelcamp remains my go-to follow up, when I'm having trouble finishing the north-south kimura. :D
https://www.instagram.com[...]kimurahug/
https://www.instagram.com[...]kimurahug/
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I have this old clip of NS choke, enjoy and/or give feedback https://youtu.be/HHTr-q2ZNBk
Ooo! I tried this just now at my daytime class. Worked well, so thanks for the tips!
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https://fb.watch/irvpNqWNUn/
MPBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I guess it depends if your playing top or bottom game.
I tend to Darce from side control and when they turtle to escape it sets me for the peruvian.
Ezekial from mount is always a favourite.
I do like S-mount though, especially when you staple an arm and secure the other for a violin/Kimura/wrist etc
When I'm on my back I tend to use Gi wraps as I've been playing with these and getting good success.
Everybody has a different playlist though, thats what makes it great.
I tend to Darce from side control and when they turtle to escape it sets me for the peruvian.
Ezekial from mount is always a favourite.
I do like S-mount though, especially when you staple an arm and secure the other for a violin/Kimura/wrist etc
When I'm on my back I tend to use Gi wraps as I've been playing with these and getting good success.
Everybody has a different playlist though, thats what makes it great.
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Pressure is my favorite now.
Younger and higher level guys don't get tired from movement alone. Only pressure will sap their energy.
And regardless of whatever submission comes after it's the pressure over time that is getting the submission. Enough pressure and people will just beg for you to attempt and finish them with any submission.
Younger and higher level guys don't get tired from movement alone. Only pressure will sap their energy.
And regardless of whatever submission comes after it's the pressure over time that is getting the submission. Enough pressure and people will just beg for you to attempt and finish them with any submission.
ANBlue beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Paintbrush/Americana - because it's easy for me to get to it if anyone leaves even the slightest bit of room for side control.
MBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I really don't have one. There are things I look for from each position but I really don't have a goto. I try not to force one submission. I try to give myself options. That way by limiting thier options I get to look for certain submissions depending on what they give me. The mouse trap
Do not believe this one second! Vovis has a trap, he starts laughing or giggling like a teen girl, then makes you start thinking you are screwing up, so you hesitate....then BAMN he submits you!
MRBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Kimura. Good for traps, good for taps
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Paintbrush/Americana - because it's easy for me to get to it if anyone leaves even the slightest bit of room for side control.
It will be interesting to see if that is still your fave as you go up the belt levels. I don't see much love for the americana, though my pal Mike Velotta is awesome at them. I am all about the kimura, I don't go for the americana that often (I should do it more, especially as side control is by far my fave position).
JABlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Kimura. Good for traps, good for taps
Been working Kimura Trap for about 6 months and really dig the control aspect, plus it allows lots of side triangles and other subs usually only seen in Judo. I especially like the back triangle from kimura trap...
JABlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
It will be interesting to see if that is still your fave as you go up the belt levels. I don't see much love for the americana, though my pal Mike Velotta is awesome at them. I am all about the kimura, I don't go for the americana that often (I should do it more, especially as side control is by far my fave position).
You are correct sir about it being harder as opponents get more savvy, but I do still find a use the Americana as a trap / bait for side control straight arm lock/kimura / wristlockacana / Americana system/cycle/overload...
and I met Professor Mike at a Kurt osiander seminar years ago and he showed me some sick catch wrestling stuff I still use... small world.
and I met Professor Mike at a Kurt osiander seminar years ago and he showed me some sick catch wrestling stuff I still use... small world.
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
You are correct sir about it being harder as opponents get more savvy, but I do still find a use the Americana as a trap / bait for side control straight arm lock/kimura / wristlockacana / Americana system/cycle/overload... and I met Professor Mike at a Kurt osiander seminar years ago and he showed me some sick catch wrestling stuff I still use... small world.
Mike's awesome. He's been training for aaaages with all sorts of people, so lots of interesting stuff in his toolbox. We hang out together often at BJJ Globetrotters camps, he also regularly heads to Bristol to my camps too. Great guy.
MRBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Been working Kimura Trap for about 6 months and really dig the control aspect, plus it allows lots of side triangles and other subs usually only seen in Judo. I especially like the back triangle from kimura trap...
Back takes leveraging Kimuras are my jam
JABlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Back takes leveraging Kimuras are my jam
I got down this weird back entry from the half guard bottom kimura and just abuse that to trap all the time. It's fun and people don't expect it, plus when you get to crucifix / back trap the options are limitless lol
MRBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
For sure
ARBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Gi: Loop choke, bow and arrow, and kneebah
Nogi: Arm triangle, and kneebah
Nogi: Arm triangle, and kneebah
