And Katy :) https://www.youtube.com/w[...]zV1exvN7HI

We have another revenge downvoter. I wrote this in reply: 'Do I understand you correctly you downvoted me because I commented on your friend that (fact) his own promoting instructor has stated in interviews that he didn't have any belt at all in BJJ at the date which it is claimed he promoted your friend to blue belt? And (fact) that the promoting instructor himself competed as a BJJ purple belt in BudCup in the US four years after the time your friend's profile claims he was promoted to purple by him? And (fact) at the date of your friends BB promotion, this promoting instructor had only been a BB himself for two years? If you have any evidence what so ever pointing in another direction for any of these facts, please add it to this thread: https://www.beltchecker.c[...]p;id=63963' I can't really make anyone else cast their vote to remove the voting power of revenge voters, but I sure as h*** will help with what little I can in putting my minuspoints on anyone I see resorting to revenge downvoting instead of putting forth logical arguments why he or she believe a vote should be changed. If a culture of revenge downvoting (in which I don't include downvoting of revenge voters) is accepted and gets a grip on Beltchecker, the whole beltchecking function will be rendered totally meaningless as everyone will just want to avoid getting downvoted.

Actually, becoming a member of Beltchecker gives any other member the right to question, based on their personal criteria. Mine is that the person with the profile should provide the evidence on the profile or with very specific links. And that evidence for the promotion from brown to black is the most important, even if you have later degrees. Also, I want to treat everyone the same and hold everyone to the same evidence standards, no matter if they're UFC veterans, have shared team or lineage and so on. With background with far too many years at several different universities, I apply the same principles as in scientific writing, where no one is immune to having to provide evidence to their claims and be able to answer critical questions. And believe me, I have raised very critical questions on the research of world famous authorities in my field and no one has been the least upset about it. Very different worlds, but I believe that kind of thinking is needed if Beltchecker is to become higher regarded than IBJJF as a belt registry. Even if some get upset along the way :-)

We have another revenge downvoter. I wrote this in reply: 'Do I understand you correctly you downvoted me because I commented on your friend that (fact) his own promoting instructor has stated in interviews that he didn't have any belt at all in BJJ at the date which it is claimed he promoted your friend to blue belt? And (fact) that the promoting instructor himself competed as a BJJ purple belt in BudCup in the US two years [corrected] after the time your friend's profile claims he was promoted to purple by him? And (fact) at the date of your friends BB promotion, this promoting instructor had only been a BB himself for two years? If you have any evidence what so ever pointing in another direction for any of these facts, please add it to this thread: https://www.beltchecker.c[...]p;id=63963' I can't really make anyone else cast their vote to remove the voting power of revenge voters, but I sure as h*** will help with what little I can in putting my minuspoints on anyone I see resorting to revenge downvoting instead of putting forth logical arguments why he or she believe a vote should be changed. If a culture of revenge downvoting (in which I don't include downvoting of revenge voters) is accepted and gets a grip on Beltchecker, the whole beltchecking function will be rendered totally meaningless as everyone will just want to avoid getting downvoted.

So now Jochem seems to be on a quest to convince everyone I've downvoted lately not to improve their evidence but instead asking them to downvote me. So this is where Beltchecker is heading? Jochem, you know that's just BS and we had the same situation with BB:s in Sweden when I was up for my BB. I did the right thing - I waited for my own very legit head instructor to promote me. And waited with promoting my students until I myself had the belt necessary or my students met my own instructor so he could promote them. I certainly did not claim a retroactive BB in the 90:s based on me competing in a competition with black- and white belts in the same category. That's what you're trying to legitimize? I have discussions with some of the people I downvoted to try to find a good workaround. Revenge downvoting is not one and I'm surprised it's seemingly this accepted on Beltchecker as it destroys the whole purpose of the site.

Should this site have somekind of arbitration moderator for disagreements like this?

It would be a big step forward for this platform to define a common sense what for downvotes are!

My personal criteria for a BB are skills, attitude and how you treat others. I will never give a BB to someone who fails one of these criteria. Johan does not meet these criteria for me. Look at who he downvotes, and for what reasons. Just for some attention on a forum. So, according to Johan himself, i can downvote him because I can use my personal criteria, right? So i did But apperently, he doesnt like it himself, and then revenge votes me down. (after voting me up first) But i guess that is fine if he does it, right? since he is the police here or what.

The community decides that. If enough people disagree with Johan’s approach to verification, they have the power to dispute his profile and thereby take away his voting power. If he drops under 1000 points, all his votes will be immediately voided. This platform is designed at its core to be self-regulating.

beltchecker-system as it was designed

My personal criteria for a BB are skills, attitude and how you treat others. I will never give a BB to someone who fails one of these criteria. Johan does not meet these criteria for me. Look at who he downvotes, and for what reasons. Just for some attention on a forum. So, according to Johan himself, i can downvote him because I can use my personal criteria, right? So i did But apperently, he doesnt like it himself, and then revenge votes me down. (after voting me up first) But i guess that is fine if he does it, right? since he is the police here or what.

You mean to observe peoples behaviour? :-P

O.k., but that‘s the hard way. (Because I do not want to dispute Johans legitimacy and legitimacy in any way is the reason for me to vote.) I downvote only in cases of fake, cheating, fraud, etc. and not because of different positions. But You made it quite clear: At this point we are at the edge of the beltchecker-system as it was designed.

-From my pov it is voting for evidence, non voting for no evidence and downvoting for fake, fraud and lies.

You mean to observe peoples behaviour? :-P

Nothing like logging into beltchecker, and seeing a sea of red notifications. Somebody might want to volunteer as a war correspondent to cover the action.

You mean to observe peoples behaviour? :-P

I think even evidence is way overrated. The idea is the Community verifies the time and effort combined with skill you put into the art. If the majority of People deems you worthy of the belt thats all it should take. This is the difference to ibjjf where anyone can pay a big sum of money, do some referee online course and you get your belt verified, no matter your skill or effort. So I generally just vote for People i know or have met. Or at least have a good connection with their coach. And some people just cant handle any sense of power. And they make a name for them self on an online platform. Their fame will pass and life goes on lol.