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Revenge downvotes cast - you know what to do
3 year(s) ago • 37338 views • 284 replies
JohanOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
Ok he down voted Neufang. I say everyone should downvote Johan so all his votes are void. Be the change you want to see in this world. I am downvoting him now. He needs a timeout.
Should I know before going on Beltchecker who Neufang is? The guy has absolutely no evidence on any of his promotions on his profile page here. If he puts some up there, I will gladly reverse my vote.
Black beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
Should I know before going on Beltchecker who Neufang is? The guy has absolutely no evidence on any of his promotions on his profile page here. If he puts some up there, I will gladly reverse my vote.
If you downvote people who posted their social media you are trolling.
The community needs to sanction you and downvote you until you can take 2 minutes to look at someone's posted social before downvoting. Your forcing your autism on everyone and it's extremely annoying and not needed. Simply take 2 minutes before being trigger happy. It's like you get off on downvoting. Your a south park villain.
The community needs to sanction you and downvote you until you can take 2 minutes to look at someone's posted social before downvoting. Your forcing your autism on everyone and it's extremely annoying and not needed. Simply take 2 minutes before being trigger happy. It's like you get off on downvoting. Your a south park villain.
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Black beltVerified
JohanOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
If you downvote people who posted their social media you are trolling. The community needs to sanction you and downvote you until you can take 2 minutes to look at someone's posted social before downvoting. Your forcing your autism on everyone and it's extremely annoying and not needed. Simply take 2 minutes before being trigger happy. It's like you get off on downvoting. Your a south park villain.
Simply ask your pals to take two minutes to link directly to the social media posts which are evidence.
If we are to check belts on Beltchecker, I actually think we should all act a bit more "autistic" here (I'm not, but I choose to act a bit like it in my voting instead of just scratching backs). Would you also say that competition judges are acting autistic, like it's a bad thing, when for instance checking if gi uniforms, weights or match lengths are according to regulations? Or IBJFF:s staff who approve or disapprove your degree in their system based on what evidence you have provided, without going on your social media for a single second?
If we are to check belts on Beltchecker, I actually think we should all act a bit more "autistic" here (I'm not, but I choose to act a bit like it in my voting instead of just scratching backs). Would you also say that competition judges are acting autistic, like it's a bad thing, when for instance checking if gi uniforms, weights or match lengths are according to regulations? Or IBJFF:s staff who approve or disapprove your degree in their system based on what evidence you have provided, without going on your social media for a single second?
Black beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
Your like Steve Mazzagotti You want to see the world burn.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
Now you just want social media posts?
Rad.
One of the absolute dumbest way I could convince someone of anything. Honestly, I'd rather people believe I am a black belt for winning a medal at black belt pans than a social media post screenshot.
It doesnt change me not agreeing with you skipping belt degrees, and no social media post will do that, so my dispute remains.
Rad.
One of the absolute dumbest way I could convince someone of anything. Honestly, I'd rather people believe I am a black belt for winning a medal at black belt pans than a social media post screenshot.
It doesnt change me not agreeing with you skipping belt degrees, and no social media post will do that, so my dispute remains.

JohanOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
Your like Steve Mazzagotti You want to see the world burn.
I'd actually prefer everyone just hugging and having perfect evidence and lineages.
Black beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
Now you just want social media posts? Rad. One of the absolute dumbest way I could convince someone of anything. Honestly, I'd rather people believe I am a black belt for winning a medal at black belt pans than a social media post screenshot. It doesnt change me not agreeing with you skipping belt degrees, and no social media post will do that, so my dispute remains.
That’s awesome! I wish all instructors kept a public record of who they promote to blackbelt!
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
Ahh, quoting the grunt style t-shirts and calling people sheep... next you will be telling other people to not call each other names... oh wait. If you want people to not doubt your non-sheep hero level status, make your entire profile about your military service. But anyhow, let's get back to how arbitrary promotion standards are.
I would never put my military service on my profile. 25 years of it was enough, I don’t need to look at it every day as well. Now giving back to veterans, that’s definitely something I get behind.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
Uh. If you're on Beltchecker, you're likely here through BJJ Globetrotters.
I doubt that's true. I had certainly never heard of BJJ Globetrotters until I started reading threads on Beltchecker.
Black beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
I doubt that's true. I had certainly never heard of BJJ Globetrotters until I started reading threads on Beltchecker.
Same for me.
JohanOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
Uh. If you're on Beltchecker, you're likely here through BJJ Globetrotters and Alex has been a staple instructor for multiple camps every year for the last few years. So. Yeah. Hard to miss this one. Googling his name and this is one of the first results: https://www.bjjglobetrott[...]etrotters/ I understand what you're trying to do here, Johan, but I think you overreached with this one. Even without the Globetrotters affiliation, he's easily verifiable with a Google search.
I've never been to a Globetrotters event and I am very clear on me voting only based on what the profile owner provide as evidence on their profile. Sometimes, I've googled and then helped them finding good evidence to put on their profile, but there's really no logic in having 10+ verifyers spending minutes googling you to help you get a higher point total instead of yourself spending those minutes just getting some evidecne (that you should have the easiest to find) up there. Basically like an analogue to IBJJF:s bureaucrats, who are just one person and won't spend a second googling you or tapping in on your reputation even though you paid them hundreds of dollars. But I'm really much more compromising than that and is willing to consider any evidence you specifically refer to or upload to your profile.
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Black belt 4th degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago

So many words, so many conflicting statements. again. Actrions speak louder ...
example again
- You downvoted Thomas Voorn, 3 days after he received his blackbelt.
https://www.beltchecker.c[...]p?id=10157
I mean, this is supposed to be an accomplishment, and you are tryint to ruin it. Wit what reason are you doing this?
Because according to you, his teachers teacher had 2 years as a bb instead of 3 years - 15 years ago. how is thomas supposed to disprove this? dude is a stud, on and off the mat, and proves this in his profile.
This has nothing to do with a human, skillbased approach to a Blackbelt. This is just trying to hurt people and get off on it behind your keyboard. So I say, downvote this troll. Or remove your upvote for johan at a minimum. This opportunistic rule centric behaviour (because he doesnt hold himself to this standard) is not condusive to a healthy community, and should be shot down brutally. get them pitchforks out, and remove Johan.
https://www.beltchecker.c[...]p?id=37035
example again
- You downvoted Thomas Voorn, 3 days after he received his blackbelt.
https://www.beltchecker.c[...]p?id=10157
I mean, this is supposed to be an accomplishment, and you are tryint to ruin it. Wit what reason are you doing this?
Because according to you, his teachers teacher had 2 years as a bb instead of 3 years - 15 years ago. how is thomas supposed to disprove this? dude is a stud, on and off the mat, and proves this in his profile.
This has nothing to do with a human, skillbased approach to a Blackbelt. This is just trying to hurt people and get off on it behind your keyboard. So I say, downvote this troll. Or remove your upvote for johan at a minimum. This opportunistic rule centric behaviour (because he doesnt hold himself to this standard) is not condusive to a healthy community, and should be shot down brutally. get them pitchforks out, and remove Johan.
https://www.beltchecker.c[...]p?id=37035

BJJ BELTCHECKER | Thomas Voorn (2470 points)
Profile for Tum Energia, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt.

Black belt 4th degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
I have a question, when you enter your informations about belt graduation and it didn't satisfied someone, because your instructor wasn't legit enough to him.
I saw that it was asking to find another person to "sign" for that rank, retroactivly.... but at the end, it's a lie. You receive it from an instructor and woulf not change. I have an issue with that.
I saw that it was asking to find another person to "sign" for that rank, retroactivly.... but at the end, it's a lie. You receive it from an instructor and woulf not change. I have an issue with that.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
While I agree that profiles without a single goddamn picture on it - in the Age Of Our Lord 2023 where every toddler has a smartphone, are fit for a downvote slap-on-the-wrist..
But this current drama is getting out of hand.
There are ACTUAL frauds in BJJ. The people who got downvoted in Johans Jihad are not frauds.
Save your energy my dudes.
But this current drama is getting out of hand.
There are ACTUAL frauds in BJJ. The people who got downvoted in Johans Jihad are not frauds.
Save your energy my dudes.
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JohanOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
I have a question, when you enter your informations about belt graduation and it didn't satisfied someone, because your instructor wasn't legit enough to him. I saw that it was asking to find another person to 'sign' for that rank, retroactivly.... but at the end, it's a lie. You receive it from an instructor and woulf not change. I have an issue with that.
I can accept to a certain extent to be "lied to" by a legit 2:nd degree BB (at the time of the promotion) stepping in and saying they were the actual promoting instructor while not physically present and the less than 2:nd degree BB who physically awarded the belt was only acting as a proxy and officiant of the ceremony. Co-promotor would be stretching it, but might actually still upvote.
But the legit senior BB should at that time have a well known association with the promotee and not be someone who retroactively promotes without even knowing the person at the time.
But the legit senior BB should at that time have a well known association with the promotee and not be someone who retroactively promotes without even knowing the person at the time.
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
I can accept to a certain extent to be 'lied to' by a legit 2:nd degree BB (at the time of the promotion) stepping in and saying they were the actual promoting instructor while not physically present and the less than 2:nd degree BB who physically awarded the belt was only acting as a proxy and officiant of the ceremony. Co-promotor would be stretching it, but might actually still upvote. But the legit senior BB should at that time have a well known association with the promotee and not be someone who retroactively promotes without even knowing the person at the time.
Priceless
Black beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
While I agree that profiles without a single goddamn picture on it - in the Age Of Our Lord 2023 where every toddler has a smartphone, are fit for a downvote slap-on-the-wrist.. But this current drama is getting out of hand. There are ACTUAL frauds in BJJ. The people who got downvoted in Johans Jihad are not frauds. Save your energy my dudes.
This should be the response of the week.
Johan Jihads. Couldn't imagine if this guy ever had any power in real life.
Johan Jihads. Couldn't imagine if this guy ever had any power in real life.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
I can accept to a certain extent to be 'lied to' by a legit 2:nd degree BB (at the time of the promotion) stepping in and saying they were the actual promoting instructor while not physically present and the less than 2:nd degree BB who physically awarded the belt was only acting as a proxy and officiant of the ceremony. Co-promotor would be stretching it, but might actually still upvote. But the legit senior BB should at that time have a well known association with the promotee and not be someone who retroactively promotes without even knowing the person at the time.
Your constant ad hoc changes to your criteria, to justify whatever you come up with, are doing more to harm any legitimacy of this site than any revenge downvoting.
Even after I showed you a picture of me in my belt, as you asked, and a social media post of my promoting professor saying I am a black belt under him, your down vote still remains. With me, you can't even say my downvote of you is a revenge down vote because you legitimately claim you were awarded multiple degrees over the internet without having seen or trained with your promoting professor in an extended period. To be fair, I wouldn't have noticed your illegitimate degrees had you not gone on a down voting spree, but while that drew attention to you it didn't necessitate a downvote.
If you had just claimed time served I would remove my downvote, but as is I don't agree with the promotion criteria claimed on your page and so my downvote will indefinitely remain. You leaving your downvote on me, then, is definitionally now revenge for me leaving mine; which makes you a hypocrite.
Even after I showed you a picture of me in my belt, as you asked, and a social media post of my promoting professor saying I am a black belt under him, your down vote still remains. With me, you can't even say my downvote of you is a revenge down vote because you legitimately claim you were awarded multiple degrees over the internet without having seen or trained with your promoting professor in an extended period. To be fair, I wouldn't have noticed your illegitimate degrees had you not gone on a down voting spree, but while that drew attention to you it didn't necessitate a downvote.
If you had just claimed time served I would remove my downvote, but as is I don't agree with the promotion criteria claimed on your page and so my downvote will indefinitely remain. You leaving your downvote on me, then, is definitionally now revenge for me leaving mine; which makes you a hypocrite.
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Black belt 4th degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
I can accept to a certain extent to be 'lied to' by a legit 2:nd degree BB (at the time of the promotion) stepping in and saying they were the actual promoting instructor while not physically present and the less than 2:nd degree BB who physically awarded the belt was only acting as a proxy and officiant of the ceremony. Co-promotor would be stretching it, but might actually still upvote. But the legit senior BB should at that time have a well known association with the promotee and not be someone who retroactively promotes without even knowing the person at the time.
I will answer nicely 😊
Our only power on this site is the among of points we can give after voting. So, no supervisor needed.
I was joking on several treads about the fact that you piss off people, but you continue to do it.... i'm always against bullying but this time it's the results of your behavior. You may not downvote people based on nothing serious like Daniel says fraud must be find and downvoted but doing it on OG who be all around for twenty years or more is just absurd.
You also start to revenge vote against the revenge vote....where that's suppose to finish ? Beeing involved in all the beltchecker drama isn't good for you, you are a pioneer in your country and by your attitude the community start to see you as a troll.....that's sad man, please try to do things in a different way. At the end your downvote change nothing if the person got enough points, so if you don't approuve the profile, just go to the next one.
Our only power on this site is the among of points we can give after voting. So, no supervisor needed.
I was joking on several treads about the fact that you piss off people, but you continue to do it.... i'm always against bullying but this time it's the results of your behavior. You may not downvote people based on nothing serious like Daniel says fraud must be find and downvoted but doing it on OG who be all around for twenty years or more is just absurd.
You also start to revenge vote against the revenge vote....where that's suppose to finish ? Beeing involved in all the beltchecker drama isn't good for you, you are a pioneer in your country and by your attitude the community start to see you as a troll.....that's sad man, please try to do things in a different way. At the end your downvote change nothing if the person got enough points, so if you don't approuve the profile, just go to the next one.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
I will answer nicely 😊 Our only power on this site is the among of points we can give after voting. So, no supervisor needed. I was joking on several treads about the fact that you piss off people, but you continue to do it.... i'm always against bullying but this time it's the results of your behavior. You may not downvote people based on nothing serious like Daniel says fraud must be find and downvoted but doing it on OG who be all around for twenty years or more is just absurd. You also start to revenge vote against the revenge vote....where that's suppose to finish ? Beeing involved in all the beltchecker drama isn't good for you, you are a pioneer in your country and by your attitude the community start to see you as a troll.....that's sad man, please try to do things in a different way. At the end your downvote change nothing if the person got enough points, so if you don't approuve the profile, just go to the next one.
You need to understand the mindset. In his mind he is serving a higher purpose and the more pushback the more he will feel the
need to double down. It is not enough that he feels he is right it is a mission much like a crusade or Jihad. He is serving a higher purpose
the good of the community and integrity of the art.
Unlike some of us who admit we are jackasses who fight pretty good and have pretty arbitrary criteria. His mission is truly important and he is actually helping the people he downvotes improve their profiles and make the site a better place with his criteria even if he can't quite enunciate what the actually are.
need to double down. It is not enough that he feels he is right it is a mission much like a crusade or Jihad. He is serving a higher purpose
the good of the community and integrity of the art.
Unlike some of us who admit we are jackasses who fight pretty good and have pretty arbitrary criteria. His mission is truly important and he is actually helping the people he downvotes improve their profiles and make the site a better place with his criteria even if he can't quite enunciate what the actually are.
Black beltVerified
2 year(s) ago
You need to understand the mindset. In his mind he is serving a higher purpose and the more pushback the more he will feel the need to double down. It is not enough that he feels he is right it is a mission much like a crusade or Jihad. He is serving a higher purpose the good of the community and integrity of the art. Unlike some of us who admit we are jackasses who fight pretty good and have pretty arbitrary criteria. His mission is truly important and he is actually helping the people he downvotes improve their profiles and make the site a better place with his criteria even if he can't quite enunciate what the actually are.
This is also how AI and Robots will justify exterminating mankind for the good of the planet.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
I'm still waiting for him to go through my verification votes and find someone who claims they were awarded 2 stripes on the same day, over the internet without having trained with their professor in an extended period, to show me that I am inconsistent in my downvotes.
It should be easy. I showed inconsistency in his up and down votes on the literally the first upvoted profile I checked after reading one of his down votes posted on this thread. I'm not sure what's taking so long, but unlike him I will remove the verification vote for anyone I previously verified who claims multiple stripes on the same day over the internet from a professor they don't train with for 3+ years
It should be easy. I showed inconsistency in his up and down votes on the literally the first upvoted profile I checked after reading one of his down votes posted on this thread. I'm not sure what's taking so long, but unlike him I will remove the verification vote for anyone I previously verified who claims multiple stripes on the same day over the internet from a professor they don't train with for 3+ years
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
Never said it was right but the great thing is we all can be as big an asshole as we want to be on the internet.
JohanOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
Philip, you seem to be suffering from delusions of grandeur by proxy. Or rather getting a kick out of it.
I take it you don't have much experience with financial auditing, academic peer review, notary public or similar practices? We come from different backgrounds with different perspectives on what Beltchecker should be and do. If I just wanted a personal kick and feeling of being important, I'd really go the verify-everything-that-moves path and make sure to always be the one to bring people past their needed verification points. Frequently making people happy with little investment of your own must be the ultimate power ride, if that's your top priority.
I take it you don't have much experience with financial auditing, academic peer review, notary public or similar practices? We come from different backgrounds with different perspectives on what Beltchecker should be and do. If I just wanted a personal kick and feeling of being important, I'd really go the verify-everything-that-moves path and make sure to always be the one to bring people past their needed verification points. Frequently making people happy with little investment of your own must be the ultimate power ride, if that's your top priority.
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
This topic is not going anywhere.
Everyone should just agree to disagree and move on.
Everyone should just agree to disagree and move on.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
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Black belt 4th degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
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Unsubscribing is one thing and moderating is another.
I just don't want to have to lock this topic or delete comments if it can be helped.
I just don't want to have to lock this topic or delete comments if it can be helped.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
2 year(s) ago
Johan for the record I own a company that finances large government contracts.
I will bow out now as honestly this is turning from entertaining to sad.. I will defer to your obvious expertise in these matters and better judgement
I will bow out now as honestly this is turning from entertaining to sad.. I will defer to your obvious expertise in these matters and better judgement




