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Skilled Black Belts who were nefarious criminals
6 year(s) ago • 37576 views • 177 replies
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
'Eu tenho todas as conversas de whatsapp'
Porra! Ela tem provas? Agora o De La Riva e obrigado a responder com mais detalhes. This is fun.. I like switching languages...
BNPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
She was so traumatized by the abuse that she remained at the academy? Is that what you’re saying?
That’s extremely common in abuse situations. The battered spouse who stays in a relationship for years. An abuse minor who says nothing for years. A kidnap victim who protects their captor.
With all due respect Charles, I dint think you can be an objective critic here. Your promotion history betrays you.
With all due respect Charles, I dint think you can be an objective critic here. Your promotion history betrays you.
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Porra! Ela tem provas? Agora o De La Riva e obrigado a responder com mais detalhes. This is fun.. I like switching languages...
Com certeza.
This is why I posted earlier, she has made the accusations, and she has said she has copies of the electronic paper trail proof.
Now, I would say that she has a moral duty to provide that proof to either the public, since she made public accusations,
or at the very least to third party for review, such as press outlets to authenticate.
And if Ricardo De La Riva brings civil action, a court will certainly attempt to compel her to bring such evidence forward.
So far, this is not a case about claims of sexual assault, but rather, claims of sexual inappropriateness, and both party's reputations.
This is why I posted earlier, she has made the accusations, and she has said she has copies of the electronic paper trail proof.
Now, I would say that she has a moral duty to provide that proof to either the public, since she made public accusations,
or at the very least to third party for review, such as press outlets to authenticate.
And if Ricardo De La Riva brings civil action, a court will certainly attempt to compel her to bring such evidence forward.
So far, this is not a case about claims of sexual assault, but rather, claims of sexual inappropriateness, and both party's reputations.
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
That’s extremely common in abuse situations. The battered spouse who stays in a relationship for years. An abuse minor who says nothing for years. A kidnap victim who protects their captor. With all due respect Charles, I dint think you can be an objective critic here. Your promotion history betrays you.
Charles promotion history does not matter, really,
as Claudia herself was also promoted by De La Riva.
And in these situations, we see people from those types of groups side with one side, or the other, or attempt to stay neutral.
However, I disagree with and am surprised at some of his points,
and even agree with at least one point that he has made,
that outside of evidence, both sides deserve a fair benefit of the doubt.
I myself rely on objective evidence, and I do not assume guilt of either party without objective evidence, or without admissions of guilt.
as Claudia herself was also promoted by De La Riva.
And in these situations, we see people from those types of groups side with one side, or the other, or attempt to stay neutral.
However, I disagree with and am surprised at some of his points,
and even agree with at least one point that he has made,
that outside of evidence, both sides deserve a fair benefit of the doubt.
I myself rely on objective evidence, and I do not assume guilt of either party without objective evidence, or without admissions of guilt.
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CABlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
That’s extremely common in abuse situations. The battered spouse who stays in a relationship for years. An abuse minor who says nothing for years. A kidnap victim who protects their captor. With all due respect Charles, I dint think you can be an objective critic here. Your promotion history betrays you.
I disagree. I can be objective with the “facts” that are presented. I haven’t seen DLR in 10 years. I have no idea what happened between the two of them just as none of you have no idea what happened but want to pretend you do. For all we know DLR could have been having an affair with her for years and she’s lashing out at him for not leaving his wife etc. Not saying that’s the case, just that there are more scenarios possible than what is being presented here. You have people talking about renaming the DLR guard LMAO
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AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
creating cultish dumbassery mindsets that make use of the word 'loyalty' as a cornerstone of the brainwashing and cult mechanics.
In my opinion, having watched the video, I felt like she was really talking about the cult mechanics of BJJ (and martial arts) generally, as well as how she felt they applied to her situation. It didn't sound like an interview crafted to start a legal case. Ryan Hall actually wrote a long piece on the same issue. Unfortunately, the interviewer wasn't very professional and kept interrupting, so Claudia never explicitly said what the allegation was and the headline ran with the polarising term of "rape". Then everything gets bogged down into a legal debate about "rape". There's a valid message about cult mechanics, it's the same message Ryan Hall gave and therefore it's really independent of one specific case.
To sum it up, the key message i got was "don't put people on a pedestal" not "he's an awful person".
To sum it up, the key message i got was "don't put people on a pedestal" not "he's an awful person".
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
It didn't sound like an interview crafted to start a legal case.
Definitely not. She even says: "I don't know if I can call it abuse, 'cause I wasn't able to say no".
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I have only this to add. Of all the BJJ Legends I "know", albeit from afar, DLR was one of the last ones I would have suspected to be accused of such a dreadful thing. I always had the impression the man was "above" the manipulative shenanigans, and was a stand up guy...
If the accusations out to be true, I guess the phrase "never meet your heroes" seems fitting...
If the accusations out to be true, I guess the phrase "never meet your heroes" seems fitting...
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WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Here is the kind of thing that I find disappointing:
A lady just posted on Jiu-Jitsu Times that they were sure the allegations were true
because in their opinion, De La Riva is unattractive and Claudia is attractive.
A lady just posted on Jiu-Jitsu Times that they were sure the allegations were true
because in their opinion, De La Riva is unattractive and Claudia is attractive.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Here is the kind of thing that I find disappointing: A lady just posted on Jiu-Jitsu Times that they were sure the allegations were true because in their opinion, De La Riva is unattractive and Claudia is attractive.
People can't reserve judgement. They can't help themselves. I will reserve mine till all the facts are out from both sides.
AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Here is the kind of thing that I find disappointing: A lady just posted on Jiu-Jitsu Times that they were sure the allegations were true because in their opinion, De La Riva is unattractive and Claudia is attractive.
The interviewer also has a bit of a man-hating vibe - "these men, they need to stop behaving like this".
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
The interviewer also has a bit of a man-hating vibe - 'these men, they need to stop behaving like this'.
They do tho
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
This is why I posted earlier, she has made the accusations, and she has said she has copies of the electronic paper trail proof. Now, I would say that she has a moral duty to provide that proof to either the public, since she made public accusations, or at the very least to third party for review, such as press outlets to authenticate.
In her newest IG post, Do Val writes:
"You can judge how long Ive kept it, you can judge my past, you can judge my fear of leaving, but you can't take my truth for me.
Evidence will be presented legally and then publically."
So apparently she will pursue legal action.
"You can judge how long Ive kept it, you can judge my past, you can judge my fear of leaving, but you can't take my truth for me.
Evidence will be presented legally and then publically."
So apparently she will pursue legal action.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
In her newest IG post, Do Val writes: 'You can judge how long Ive kept it, you can judge my past, you can judge my fear of leaving, but you can't take my truth for me. Evidence will be presented legally and then publically.' So apparently she will pursue legal action.
Interesting, let's see how it plays out.
I hate when people say, "My truth". There is no your truth or my truth, there is only The Truth and the truth should be the only thing that matters.
I hate when people say, "My truth". There is no your truth or my truth, there is only The Truth and the truth should be the only thing that matters.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
The interviewer also has a bit of a man-hating vibe - 'these men, they need to stop behaving like this'.
Painting all men with the same brush.
Like we are all sexist misogynistic rapists. Lol
There are men who fit the bill and others who would call those men out on their behaviour.
Can't make this stuff up.
Like we are all sexist misogynistic rapists. Lol
There are men who fit the bill and others who would call those men out on their behaviour.
Can't make this stuff up.
AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
They do tho
The issue is when you use a collective identity and then present an unusual, specific problem that lumps the whole group into association.
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SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I see the discussion is getting into the #NotAllMen stuff. So:
https://slate.com/technol[...]ailed.html
https://slate.com/technol[...]ailed.html
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
You guys are going off the deep end now.
AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I see the discussion is getting into the #NotAllMen stuff. So: https://slate.com/technol[...]ailed.html
I just didn't like the interviewer and think she was unprofessional: https://youtu.be/NeAg02OSc8s
JPBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Heremes Franca https://www.oregonlive.co[...]_fran.html
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Heremes Franca https://www.oregonlive.co[...]_fran.html
This one I remember.. Thanks for sharing....
3 1/2 years are a slap on the wrist when considering the weight of his offence.
3 1/2 years are a slap on the wrist when considering the weight of his offence.
JPBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
This one I remember.. Thanks for sharing.... 3 1/2 years are a slap on the wrist when considering the weight of his offence.
Exactly! I had a match against him right before this happened! Met him in the finals! I unfortunately lost. =(
JABrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Does IBJJF count as a person?
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Not sure if this was posted yet but it came up
in another thread.
https://www.jiujitsutimes[...]ng-minor/#
in another thread.
https://www.jiujitsutimes[...]ng-minor/#
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Not sure if this was posted yet but it came up in another thread. https://www.jiujitsutimes[...]ng-minor/#
That's the one.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Another reason not to trust anyone. This guy is a famous Gracie Barra Blackbelt. Creator of the "Baratoplata".
BJJ instructors are not to be venerated. They are regular people who happen to possess knowledge of Jiu Jitsu. That's about it.
They are not guru's or demi gods. It is always disappointing when I read these accounts. We definitely need to be held to a higher standard.
BJJ instructors are not to be venerated. They are regular people who happen to possess knowledge of Jiu Jitsu. That's about it.
They are not guru's or demi gods. It is always disappointing when I read these accounts. We definitely need to be held to a higher standard.
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BJBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
In case anyone can't read David's image (warning: graphic description of the crime):
https://www.espn.com/mma/[...]ng-student
If the video really shows everything that the criminal complaint alleges, this should be an open and shut case.
https://www.espn.com/mma/[...]ng-student
If the video really shows everything that the criminal complaint alleges, this should be an open and shut case.
CBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
What was the deal with some of the Lloyd Irvin guys? 2 of his students had sexually assaulted a young woman in a parking lot? Pretty sure they weren't black belts, but still decent grapplers. I remember there being a whole thing about that gym, the teachers and some of the students. Lloyd has had some unwanted publicity at times. I recall Keenan leaving the team around that time.
This is just off my foggy memory... Holy shit time flies!
This is just off my foggy memory... Holy shit time flies!
VCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I recall Ryan Hall left for the same reasons
