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Skilled Black Belts who were nefarious criminals

6 year(s) ago • 37577 views • 177 replies

Shawn Carn
Shawn Carn
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified195 forum posts3100/1000
5 year(s) ago
What was the deal with some of the Lloyd Irvin guys? 2 of his students had sexually assaulted a young woman in a parking lot? Pretty sure they weren't black belts, but still decent grapplers. I remember there being a whole thing about that gym, the teachers and some of the students. Lloyd has had some unwanted publicity at times. I recall Keenan leaving the team around that time. This is just off my foggy memory... Holy shit time flies!
everyone pretty much left or broke ties with him for that reason. , Keanan, JT, Jered wiener, etc all broke thier connection with TLI after that stuff went down and He didnt address it head on.
Coachpotato
Coachpotato
Black belt 1st degreeVerified785 forum posts2045/1000
5 year(s) ago
That's good. I guess he still has students because he can be seen around MMA fights. Pretty sure I saw him in the background of an ADCC scene on a recent jiu-jitsu documentary.
Shawn Carn
Shawn Carn
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified195 forum posts3100/1000
5 year(s) ago
That's good. I guess he still has students because he can be seen around MMA fights. Pretty sure I saw him in the background of an ADCC scene on a recent jiu-jitsu documentary.
hes program is still going. he still has a whole bunch of diehards that are still there. alot of them came up as kids so are sticking with him.
I know that sijara eubanks was with him for a long time and now is with Top team if im not mistaken and had a huge TLI tattoo on her lower stomach but had it completely covered up now.
Tatu Piispanen
Tatu Piispanen
Black beltVerified1367 forum posts11320/1000
5 year(s) ago
That's good. I guess he still has students because he can be seen around MMA fights. Pretty sure I saw him in the background of an ADCC scene on a recent jiu-jitsu documentary.
He still has a strong team and is for sure a presence in the comp circuit. For example, Mahamed Aly & Jamil Hill-Taylor train under Irvin.

Plenty of stuff in the interwebs about the TLI incidents. I recall Hall left already earlier, but wrote a lengthy "open letter" after the 2013 rape scandal.
Vince Choo
Vince Choo
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1129 forum posts21440/1000
5 year(s) ago
I heard in the grapevine there were other cases in Gracie Barra in the UK from people in the know. They also left GB UK.
In my neck of the woods there was an American BB who was grooming kids and was a pedo. He's in a Singapore jail now.
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1809 forum posts18235/1000
5 year(s) ago
Irwin's marketing schemes were so cringe I was totally put off by his stuff way before the rape thing became public.
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Shawn Carn
Shawn Carn
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified195 forum posts3100/1000
5 year(s) ago
the whole fighter house thing was game changer for the completion scene during that time though.. He established dominace over every team and what made Keanan the big name quickly... say what you want but dude is a genius at getting people names out there. sadly GOod and Bad lol.
christopher popdan
Christopher Popdan
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified19 forum posts1865/1000
5 year(s) ago
I remember Marcus 'Conan' Silveira got busted w/ drugs a while back. Apparently his brother Marcelo and thirteen other people were accused of being part of a drug smuggling ring that was responsible for bringing in over a million ecstasy pills. I don't think he did much prison time for it, though.
He did do Federal time in Edgefield SC. My Professor was a Corrections Officer there when he was there.
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1045 forum posts60960/1000
5 year(s) ago
Let's face in in reality all a Black belt means is we may be better than someone else at BJJ.

Honestly Martial Arts and combat sports gives you tools to apply to your life but it does not fix your inherent flaws. It is like anything else you have to use them to be a better person. You can be a black belt but still a lowlife
Vince Choo
Vince Choo
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1129 forum posts21440/1000
5 year(s) ago
Let's face in in reality all a Black belt means is we may be better than someone else at BJJ. Honestly Martial Arts and combat sports gives you tools to apply to your life but it does not fix your inherent flaws. It is like anything else you have to use them to be a better person. You can be a black belt but still a lowlife
Waiting for BJJLowlifeChecker.com to emerge
Bridget Jack Jeffries
Bridget Jack Jeffries
Blue beltVerified621 forum posts3340/200
5 year(s) ago
Apparently there are rape charges against Rafael 'Barata' Freitas and he is currently being held. https://www.jiujitsutimes[...]h-america/
He's going with the "it was consensual" defense. SMDH.

https://mmajunkie.usatoda[...]fight-case

This is why so many women don't report. Even when you were unconscious and you've got the entire thing on video, you're probably still in for a long, drawn-out court battle with your attacker in which you'll be told you're lying and/or you wanted it and you'll have your drinking, clothing, and sex life carefully scrutinized. All with the possibility that your attacker gets a Brock Turner-esque sentence of a couple months even if convicted.
Tatu Piispanen
Tatu Piispanen
Black beltVerified1367 forum posts11320/1000
5 year(s) ago
I'm okay with many kinds of criminal pasts (not too rare in the fighting/martial arts world)... one of the things you can't be is a rapist :(

A sadly major amount of these cases involve some kind of a sex offence.
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1045 forum posts60960/1000
5 year(s) ago
I have always thought sleeping with a student even if consensual to be inappropriate.

Many people for one reason or another put their martial arts instructor on a pedestal and I think that is honestly something people should separate the skill of fighting from the person themselves.. Many people can fight but do not represent the "principles" that martial arts espouses. We see it in these cases and the frauds out there. Martial arts is the perfect guise for a sexual predator because they are put on a pedestal..

Bridget Jack Jeffries
Bridget Jack Jeffries
Blue beltVerified621 forum posts3340/200
5 year(s) ago
I have always thought sleeping with a student even if consensual to be inappropriate.
Any relationship where one person has considerable power over the other (boss/employee, teacher/student, etc) is generally a bad idea because of the potential for coercion and abuse. There's also a lot of potential for grooming and transference. BUT I get why these relationships happen and that many people have navigated those tricky waters into happiness. It's not for me, but if everyone entered into it openly and honestly, I wish them well.

Extramarital affairs with students are a whole other level of unprofessional and inappropriate and indicative of poor character. I wouldn't take lessons from someone if I knew they'd had an affair with a student.

Or in other words, de Freitas' defense still sucks if true.
Vince Choo
Vince Choo
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1129 forum posts21440/1000
5 year(s) ago
I'm okay with many kinds of criminal pasts (not too rare in the fighting/martial arts world)... one of the things you can't be is a rapist :( A sadly major amount of these cases involve some kind of a sex offence.
and pedos
Alexander King-Zhang
Alexander King-Zhang
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5 year(s) ago
David Arnebeck (Rickson Gracie Black Belt) - convicted of molesting a 15 year old girl: https://bjj-world.com/con[...]ederation/
In plain English that means she was staying at his house on night, presumably to save money on travelling to training or something, and he came into her room and groped her while she slept, it only stopped because she woke up. His defence: "i was drunk". Oh right, it's alcohol that turns you into a nonce, not the fact that you are one and alcohol lowers inhibitions.

Absolutely shameful response by Rickson, in my opinion: https://www.jiujitsutimes[...]isconduct/

"This statement is in regards to my association with David Arnebeck. I take full responsibility for allowing Mr. Arnebeck to continue his membership in the JJGF. Considering the final court ruling that he was permitted full unrestricted normal contact with minors, which declares that Mr. Arnebeck was not to be considered as a danger to minors or to society and that I know him, his wife, his daughter and his work as a Jiu Jitsu instructor for fifteen years, I decided not to impose further penalties on Mr. Arnebeck other than those already given by the court. In doing so, I took the personal position that people who demonstrate the will to change and to pay for past mistakes should not be ostracised and excluded from society.

However, as of today, the JJGF is adopting a zero tolerance policy towards sexual misconduct. We believe it is necessary to unequivocally condemn any case of sexual misconduct, and Mr. Arnebeck has been expelled from the JJGF. We encourage any member from the Global Jiu Jitsu community to help us to enforce this policy and communicate any wrongdoing they are aware of.

I condemn in the strongest words predatory behavior that takes advantage of others. This type of behavior is intolerable and contrary to my life mission and the mission of the JJGF. I am passionate to empower protectors and self-defense through Jiu Jitsu.

Gracie Jiu Jitsu, in its purest form, is a system designed to give the weak tools to protect themselves from the strong. Decades after the art’s birth, the Jiu Jitsu Global Federation still believes in this mission.

We believe that Jiu Jitsu should be used to empower individuals, and we do not condone any person, group, or organization who would prey upon the vulnerable. We expect our members and supporters to be the best representatives of Jiu Jitsu, and that means upholding standards of morality, standards of character, and standards of ethics.

Individuals who would use Jiu Jitsu to do harm or who would put members of our community at risk are not welcome and will not be tolerated.

For those of you who work tirelessly to do good for your students and to represent the best ideals of our art, thank you. We need your work continue."

-Rickson Gracie
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1045 forum posts60960/1000
5 year(s) ago
We are humans and even though the martial arts can help give us the tool to become better people many do not as they are only interested in the fighting aspect.. Honestly a bad person starts training and they end up just being a bad person who can fight better,, Hell look at religion and how people bastardize it to fit their own agenda
Eric Laporte
Eric Laporte
Black belt 1st degreePending57 forum posts0/1000
5 year(s) ago
Ok I misread the Romolo name (my glasses are upstairs) I thought it said Romulo Barral. Oops my bad...lol I could never remain tied to let alone promote anyone who has been guilty of any of these offenses.
For sure, 100 agree!
Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMasters
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5 year(s) ago
Absolutely shameful response by Rickson, in my opinion: https://www.jiujitsutimes[...]isconduct/ 'This statement is in regards to my association with David Arnebeck. I take full responsibility for allowing Mr. Arnebeck to continue his membership in the JJGF. Considering the final court ruling that he was permitted full unrestricted normal contact with minors, which declares that Mr. Arnebeck was not to be considered as a danger to minors or to society and that I know him, his wife, his daughter and his work as a Jiu Jitsu instructor for fifteen years, I decided not to impose further penalties on Mr. Arnebeck other than those already given by the court. In doing so, I took the personal position that people who demonstrate the will to change and to pay for past mistakes should not be ostracised and excluded from society. However, as of today, the JJGF is adopting a zero tolerance policy towards sexual misconduct. We believe it is necessary to unequivocally condemn any case of sexual misconduct, and Mr. Arnebeck has been expelled from the JJGF. We encourage any member from the Global Jiu Jitsu community to help us to enforce this policy and communicate any wrongdoing they are aware of. I condemn in the strongest words predatory behavior that takes advantage of others. This type of behavior is intolerable and contrary to my life mission and the mission of the JJGF. I am passionate to empower protectors and self-defense through Jiu Jitsu. Gracie Jiu Jitsu, in its purest form, is a system designed to give the weak tools to protect themselves from the strong. Decades after the art’s birth, the Jiu Jitsu Global Federation still believes in this mission. We believe that Jiu Jitsu should be used to empower individuals, and we do not condone any person, group, or organization who would prey upon the vulnerable. We expect our members and supporters to be the best representatives of Jiu Jitsu, and that means upholding standards of morality, standards of character, and standards of ethics. Individuals who would use Jiu Jitsu to do harm or who would put members of our community at risk are not welcome and will not be tolerated. For those of you who work tirelessly to do good for your students and to represent the best ideals of our art, thank you. We need your work continue.' -Rickson Gracie
This seems like an ok response... At least on paper... What part do you have issue with?
Alexander King-Zhang
Alexander King-Zhang
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5 year(s) ago
This seems like an ok response... At least on paper... What part do you have issue with?
There are some things you cannot come back from and child molestation is high on that list. David Arnebeck was convicted in 2013 but Rickson allowed him to continue teaching kids until 2017. I don't believe in second chances for convicted child molesters. Every single one of them has a BS story about how they aren't guilty but they took the plea deal to get a lighter sentence, it doesn't hold any water with me.

I also take issue with hiding behind the court ruling to justify the decision. "He's legally allowed to teach kids, so it's ok" - no it isn't. People pressured him for years to expel David but he didn't: https://bjj-world.com/gra[...]son-fraud/

Then there's the fact that it's one of three affiliates: David Arnebeck, Scott Naugle and Romolo Barros. Now i'm sure he has a lot of affiliates to deal with so i'm not saying 3 is a high percentage, but I question the judgement he made when it came to his attention, long before that statement was written.

Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1045 forum posts60960/1000
5 year(s) ago
There are some things you cannot come back from and child molestation is high on that list. David Arnebeck was convicted in 2013 but Rickson allowed him to continue teaching kids until 2017. I don't believe in second chances for convicted child molesters. Every single one of them has a BS story about how they aren't guilty but they took the plea deal to get a lighter sentence, it doesn't hold any water with me. I also take issue with hiding behind the court ruling to justify the decision. 'He's legally allowed to teach kids, so it's ok' - no it isn't. People pressured him for years to expel David but he didn't: https://bjj-world.com/gra[...]son-fraud/ Then there's the fact that it's one of three affiliates: David Arnebeck, Scott Naugle and Romolo Barros. Now i'm sure he has a lot of affiliates to deal with so i'm not saying 3 is a high percentage, but I question the judgement he made when it came to his attention, long before that statement was written.
I am all about redemption and the power humans have to change EXCEPT in the case of sexual predators..
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1045 forum posts60960/1000
5 year(s) ago
All organizations are different. We grade people based on our own criteria I give promotions based on a combination of knowledge , skill and performance that behaviot doesn't really play into a promotion for me..

That said I teach for free and behavior is a HUGE factor in my decision to teach a person.. I consider my students friends/family and I can't be friends with someone who I do nor respect.. If I would not invite you to my house I will not teach you.. You training with me and you represent both my teaching one and off the mat.. I have thrown people out for behavior on the internet I would never knowingly associate with someone who preys on women or children as in my opinion they are the lowest form of human life
R. David Gonzalez
R. David GonzalezOP
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4799 forum posts35020/1000
5 year(s) ago
All organizations are different. We grade people based on our own criteria I give promotions based on a combination of knowledge , skill and performance that behaviot doesn't really play into a promotion for me.. That said I teach for free and behavior is a HUGE factor in my decision to teach a person.. I consider my students friends/family and I can't be friends with someone who I do nor respect.. If I would not invite you to my house I will not teach you.. You training with me and you represent both my teaching one and off the mat.. I have thrown people out for behavior on the internet I would never knowingly associate with someone who preys on women or children as in my opinion they are the lowest form of human life
100%
Alexander King-Zhang
Alexander King-Zhang
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5 year(s) ago
All organizations are different. We grade people based on our own criteria I give promotions based on a combination of knowledge , skill and performance that behaviot doesn't really play into a promotion for me.. That said I teach for free and behavior is a HUGE factor in my decision to teach a person.. I consider my students friends/family and I can't be friends with someone who I do nor respect.. If I would not invite you to my house I will not teach you.. You training with me and you represent both my teaching one and off the mat.. I have thrown people out for behavior on the internet I would never knowingly associate with someone who preys on women or children as in my opinion they are the lowest form of human life
It's the fact that he was still allowed to teach kids that really makes my head spin. How anyone could think that is acceptable is just beyond my comprehension of basic logic.
"I was drunk" is not a defence - who made him drink? Who thinks it's ok to get black out drunk when you're entrusted with the care of a minor?
How on earth does a rational person think there doesn't need to be consequences to those choices!
Tatu Piispanen
Tatu Piispanen
Black beltVerified1367 forum posts11320/1000
5 year(s) ago
Jackson Sousa https://amp.reddit.com/r/[...]n_germany/
It seems this didn't do Jack much damage. As far as I know he's still the head coach of a Checkmat gym, sponsored by SYR etc. and actively posting on social media without getting a bunch of a knockback.

Of course, these were just accusations & he was never accused of criminal activity (afaik). But in this era, people get their careers ruined easily...

A shame, in any case, as he seemed like a genuinely good dude the bunch of times I've trained with him. Hard to believe the women accusing him would've done so out of spite. (Anyway definitely not a "nefarious criminal" no matter what.)
William Frank
William Frank
Brown beltVerified45 forum posts4435/700
5 year(s) ago
interesting topic....im gunna have to go down the rabbit hole and some of these and look into them.....kind of ties in nice with the other thread about if character being necessary or no to be promoted to belt belt.....i condemn the crimes these individuals are accused of but I do admit I do find an interest in looking into their backgrounds and trying to discover where things went wrong for them...was it a particular incident which led them downhill or were they doomed from the start?

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