Brilliant :D Had to go give him my lousy points just for that story (

I want to poke that a bit Jason :) What is that 'honour' ? What is 'respect' ? And how does BJJ as an art inherently contain/facilitate these two? And how and why is that better/worse than any other game we play as a pastime?

not sure exactly what your asking, but all martial arts contain a code of conduct, Bushido code, which was always taught, Grand Master Helio wouldn't grade people with piss poor character no matter how good you were

Lol You are a poet!

And that was just on one gin and tonic. If I pour a second one, I'll start telling stories that back in the day, no gi meant half the time the other guy was wearing bikini shorts, that made you feel slightly uncomfortable about the whole thing, and no gi always meant we slap grappling. My safe word was 'Pineapple', by the way.

And that was just on one gin and tonic. If I pour a second one, I'll start telling stories that back in the day, no gi meant half the time the other guy was only wearing bikini shorts, that made you feel slightly uncomfortable about the whole thing, and no gi always meant we slap grappling. My safe word was 'Pineapple', by the way.

Ok this is an official notification of bedtime for William, courtesy of Webmaster :D

Ok this is an official notification of bedtime for William, courtesy of Webmaster :D

Since you are posting as the Webmaster, I can't tell if you really saying to tone it down or making a ha ha.

Since you are posting as the Webmaster, I can't tell if you really saying to tone it down or making a ha ha.

There's a lot to catch up here so forgive me if someone already said this but.... THE IBJJF is a scam organization. I remember when they became popular because they were marketing themselves as hosting the Pan American Games. Until they got sued and had to start calling them the Pan Ams. They're raping black belts. Guys like me that want to compete but do it part time have such a hard time justifying the expense for the verification and the renewal fee and then paying for the tournament. USA wrestling let's you get a member card for $35 a year, that constitutes a form of insurance, and you can go wrestle pretty much anywhere for pretty much nothing. The IBJJF sucks for that. I'll just keep winning a million nagas and pretend I'm happy with that.

not sure exactly what your asking, but all martial arts contain a code of conduct, Bushido code, which was always taught, Grand Master Helio wouldn't grade people with piss poor character no matter how good you were

But yeah, I do like the more general rule of 'I'm not promoting you if you're an arsehole.' Though some would disagree and feel BJJ promotion should be purely skill based, I know I wouldn't feel comfortable promoting somebody if I thought they were an absolute arse. ;)

I have a personal idea developing ATM (won't go as far as call it a theory) actually that "honour" and "respect" are fear-based systems/concepts that arise when vulnerability, love and true trust are shunned / seen as undesirable for some reason... and that's psychologically not the healthiest way to operate...

How would somebody who you think is an arse train (and thereby have influence on your club) long enough with you to be eligible for promotion anyway?

How would somebody who you think is an arse train (and thereby have influence on your club) long enough with you to be eligible for promotion anyway?

But just being generally nice to all your training partners (and potential training partners) regardless of rank, polite to your opponents, and appreciative towards your coaches is what I guess can be labeled as 'respect' in the BJJ context.

So that's politeness and courtesy. And you have that towards people that you like / love / value. I like that system being based on mutual valuing and attraction as opposed to fear of what happens if that is not given. I really like you Tatu, your input to Beltchecker is great, good roll we had, nice conversations, I think you're a good role model for aging-BJJ-ka (barring maybe the alcohol habits :D ) so it's not honour and respect I have towards you but admiration and love :) P.S. And of course the hair... how could I forget the magnificent hair...

Also a good point! I guess somebody who joined with lots of experience already? But yeah, I tend to find ways of putting them off. E.g., most meatheady arsehole types are dissuaded when they see me in a pink gi, rainbow unicorn spats and squirrel tattoos, dancing to disco music on the mats.

Well first of all I am literally asking that: What's your definition of honour and what's your definition of respect. And do we want a special system where one 'master' with all his good and bad will become a judge of people's character? Yes, you come in, you're good, you can be one of the cool guys now. Aren't there like so many ways this can create more politics, bullshit and problems than solve those? E.g. Helio didn't want anything to do with Fadda. Was Fadda a bad person? And before you continue on warrior code etc. please read this excellent article if you haven't already: https://www.tofugu.com/ja[...]n/bushido/

"most meatheady arsehole types are dissuaded when they see me in a pink gi, rainbow unicorn spats and squirrel tattoos, dancing to disco music on the mats."

Play this when the tough guys roll in and watch the expression on their faces as they are deciding whether to leave or stay. https://www.youtube.com/w[...]stISOttCQ0