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IBJJF black belt degree certification fees?
6 year(s) ago • 34727 views • 217 replies
Black belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
How would somebody who you think is an arse train (and thereby have influence on your club) long enough with you to be eligible for promotion anyway? I have a personal idea developing ATM (won't go as far as call it a theory) actually that 'honour' and 'respect' are fear-based systems/concepts that arise when vulnerability, love and true trust are shunned / seen as undesirable for some reason... and that's psychologically not the healthiest way to operate... (also keep in mind that abundance of 'original' ideas is a matter of not reading enough... which I definitely am guilty of)
Jorgen,
How dare you...
Usually only I am the one pointing out that the Samurai folklore is mostly made up nonsense without much historical foundation.
I of course agree with Jason, that a coach can encourage his students not to be violent and/or dishonest criminals.
But, I agree with you that most of what people talk about regarding Samurai's was entirely fictionalized and is without historical foundation.
How dare you...
Usually only I am the one pointing out that the Samurai folklore is mostly made up nonsense without much historical foundation.
I of course agree with Jason, that a coach can encourage his students not to be violent and/or dishonest criminals.
But, I agree with you that most of what people talk about regarding Samurai's was entirely fictionalized and is without historical foundation.
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I don't need you to explain honour and respect to me I was asking for your definitions. Or point me to one then that I could look up so we could be talking about the more-or-less same thing. If we don't try to reach a common understanding about the things we are arguing/exchanging thoughts/debating about in the first place - that's also a thing that creates High School Drama :) I agree with your explanation of giving belts and I neither would give a belt to that person. In fact I'd not allow them to train in my gym and with my students therefore I also wouldn't be making a personal connection and I don't award belts without that. E.g. I also refused a seminar offer by one worldclass blackbelt on the basis of his public reputation.
We both agree on that, I have seen it first hand, gentleman is literally on his way to his Black Belt testing, gets a call from the Professor, telling him not to come, and that they need to discuss a matter brought to their attention, which was a bad thing lets just say before they would test him and see if its true. I enjoy the back and fourth however I am jaded as a truly believe that Majority of Jiu Jitsu is now a sport and that people have that mentality, like Hockey players getting drunk, killing someone in their car and paying a fine. Schools tend to lack code of conduct, mission statement and etiquette, how are your students expected to know what the Martial Arts code is, if its not written somewhere, one of the main things i notice when I do in school consulting sessions
Black belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
We both agree on that, I have seen it first hand, gentleman is literally on his way to his Black Belt testing, gets a call from the Professor, telling him not to come, and that they need to discuss a matter brought to their attention, which was a bad thing lets just say before they would test him and see if its true. I enjoy the back and fourth however I am jaded as a truly believe that Majority of Jiu Jitsu is now a sport and that people have that mentality, like Hockey players getting drunk, killing someone in their car and paying a fine. Schools tend to lack code of conduct, mission statement and etiquette, how are your students expected to know what the Martial Arts code is, if its not written somewhere, one of the main things i notice when I do in school consulting sessions
I think part of our opportunity as coaches is to help encourage our students,
particularly the minors, and the young adults up through their 20's,
to behave in ways that are virtuous regarding being polite,
and being and becoming successes off the mats, outside of grappling, as well as on the mats.
One of things I really appreciate about Wrestling programs in the U.S.
is that they produce athletes who have a profound work ethic,
that are mentally strong,
and that also stress academic success,
and success off the mats as well as on the mats.
That is part of our opportunity too, as coaches, I think.
particularly the minors, and the young adults up through their 20's,
to behave in ways that are virtuous regarding being polite,
and being and becoming successes off the mats, outside of grappling, as well as on the mats.
One of things I really appreciate about Wrestling programs in the U.S.
is that they produce athletes who have a profound work ethic,
that are mentally strong,
and that also stress academic success,
and success off the mats as well as on the mats.
That is part of our opportunity too, as coaches, I think.
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Black belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Wow! What a conversation!
I came up through the old school mentality of instructors using the fear of being a creonte as a means of keeping loyalty to the team and instructor. (I came up via Carlson Gracie Team)
With my team, i treat everything as a 2 way road. Loyalty and respect is earned, not given. I've never expected respect and loyalty from anyone until I've earned it. Even then, it's a constant job to keep it. Just like a marriage. It's not a one way road.
Honor, humility, integrity and all around ethical person. It is something everyone should already have. Having that just means you're a good person.
When it comes to promotions, if you're an ass, I don't care how good you are, you're not getting promoted by me! I hold how one carry's themselves on and off the mats a bit more than their technical skill. You can improve technical ability much easier than you can improve ones own behavior. I would rather get rid of that one bad apple. That one bad apple can ruin a crop. I worked my ass off to build the community in my academy to have one shit head ruin everything. It only takes one!
Just my two cents on some of the topics that resonated within this discussion.
I came up through the old school mentality of instructors using the fear of being a creonte as a means of keeping loyalty to the team and instructor. (I came up via Carlson Gracie Team)
With my team, i treat everything as a 2 way road. Loyalty and respect is earned, not given. I've never expected respect and loyalty from anyone until I've earned it. Even then, it's a constant job to keep it. Just like a marriage. It's not a one way road.
Honor, humility, integrity and all around ethical person. It is something everyone should already have. Having that just means you're a good person.
When it comes to promotions, if you're an ass, I don't care how good you are, you're not getting promoted by me! I hold how one carry's themselves on and off the mats a bit more than their technical skill. You can improve technical ability much easier than you can improve ones own behavior. I would rather get rid of that one bad apple. That one bad apple can ruin a crop. I worked my ass off to build the community in my academy to have one shit head ruin everything. It only takes one!
Just my two cents on some of the topics that resonated within this discussion.
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
" Loyalty and respect is earned, not given." "I've never expected respect and loyalty from anyone until I've earned it. "
This
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Play this when the tough guys roll in and watch the expression on their faces as they are deciding whether to leave or stay. https://www.youtube.com/w[...]stISOttCQ0
Ha - not too dissimilar from some of the stuff I play, I'll have to add that to the list. ;P
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Ha - not too dissimilar from some of the stuff I play, I'll have to add that to the list. ;P
LOL!
Black belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
My student, Josh "Starlord" Leduc just made a 15 minute podcast entitled "Why I say Fuck the IBJJF":
https://anchor.fm/josh-st[...]JJF-eaibhi
He does this just to vex me.
I should make a rebuttal podcast called "More tournaments, and more tournament providers, are better for everybody."
He also talked about beltchecker on the podcast, which was nice.
Also, you should all know that Josh Leduc was abusing his cat during his podcast.
He is a cat abuser.
https://anchor.fm/josh-st[...]JJF-eaibhi
He does this just to vex me.
I should make a rebuttal podcast called "More tournaments, and more tournament providers, are better for everybody."
He also talked about beltchecker on the podcast, which was nice.
Also, you should all know that Josh Leduc was abusing his cat during his podcast.
He is a cat abuser.
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Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Just updated my profile pic to feature an IBJJF ad in the background, hopefully to trigger all the haters. (No, actually 'cause I think I look cool in the photo.)
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Jason I guess in regards of what we promote in our schools or what kind of people we like would probably be pretty similar. I just tend to think that we would be better off without separate terms of "honour" and "respect" and most of the good qualities of those being packed into the general concept of a good/loving/moral person.
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Pyramid scheme
Black belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Pyramid scheme
Mr. Luker,
Do you refer to most BJJ affiliations and organizations, and most commercial schools that have networks,
or just one in particular?
Do you refer to most BJJ affiliations and organizations, and most commercial schools that have networks,
or just one in particular?
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I meant it in the context of the one organization in particular. But, now that you mention it, too often I see too many schools focused on making money. I suppose I look at it like I do my own profession. If someone becomes a police officer because they want to make money, (insert Dr. or Lawyer or other profession), they're in it for the wrong reasons. Don't get me wrong, making money can be PART of and even a large part of the reason for running an academy. But it shouldn't be the main or sole reason. I don't run my own academy and instead, I send all my referrals to gyms that put the martial art first and profit after, with the obvious understanding that schools need money to function.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Hey Christian,
I know you know Chris Haueter well. Chris said to me before promoting me to Blackbelt and I quote " Cooley I recommend you get your Rickson certificate and the iBJJF Certificates" I didn't question him.
Rickson was easy, as Chris is well known to him and easily verified. $200US later... Photos and etc.
While the IBJJF is a process and takes time waiting for a referee course and just having the signatures of your promotions and dates verified by a IBJJF certified high enough Blackbelt...
Now the IBBJF certificate is in the mail to Australia shortly, on the next batch printing.. Upto 6 weeks.
I know you know Chris Haueter well. Chris said to me before promoting me to Blackbelt and I quote " Cooley I recommend you get your Rickson certificate and the iBJJF Certificates" I didn't question him.
Rickson was easy, as Chris is well known to him and easily verified. $200US later... Photos and etc.
While the IBJJF is a process and takes time waiting for a referee course and just having the signatures of your promotions and dates verified by a IBJJF certified high enough Blackbelt...
Now the IBBJF certificate is in the mail to Australia shortly, on the next batch printing.. Upto 6 weeks.
Black belt 6th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
34 black belts did, so far. And they have the power to reverse it, which I am completely open to and would embrace. Isn't this is a very, very interesting experiment? :) I honestly couldn't care less about black belt degrees (https://beltchecker.com/f[...]amp;id=302). I will never wear them on my belt. For me, a black belt is a black belt. Anything else is just dick measuring and illusion of hierarchy. But I think it's interesting to shake things up a bit. For some strange reason, we all agreed that a for-profit tournament organizer in California is the one and only God entity that can certify the count of number of years since your promotion is correct and then sell you a piece of paper to approve it.
I really appreciate what this site is doing to help the BJJ community to identify real black belts.
Bjj is a potentially dangerous activity, and we need to have some safeguards to protect innocent people from ill intentioned fake black belts.
Thank you a lot
Bjj is a potentially dangerous activity, and we need to have some safeguards to protect innocent people from ill intentioned fake black belts.
Thank you a lot
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Hey Christian, I know you know Chris Haueter well. Chris said to me before promoting me to Blackbelt and I quote ' Cooley I recommend you get your Rickson certificate and the iBJJF Certificates' I didn't question him. Rickson was easy, as Chris is well known to him and easily verified. $200US later... Photos and etc. While the IBJJF is a process and takes time waiting for a referee course and just having the signatures of your promotions and dates verified by a IBJJF certified high enough Blackbelt... Now the IBBJF certificate is in the mail to Australia shortly, on the next batch printing.. Upto 6 weeks.
Was this a question or why was it directed to me? :)
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Black belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I have two of the JJGF Rickson certificate taking up space somewhere in my house. I only have my IBJJF card which is a pain in the butt to renew all the time but I do it just in case I need it to pick a lock or something.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
In Brazil, so many expensive for to get the IBJJF certificate (tax register, IBJJF rules course, first aid course, etc.) The rules course is only in other states, so, for you participate this, you will despend a lot of money..because this I just get my register at IBJJF like athlete black belt..
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Blue beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
seeing responses here make me feel spoiled over on the judo side of things lmao
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Did any of you go through the entire IBJJF black belt degree certification process? Do you remember what the fees were for all the required things?
There are a few different black belt registrations.
U can just register as a black belt to compete which is like $35 a year. I havnt competed As a black belt since 2018. So not sure if it changed.
Once u do that u U can register as an academy. U gotta do background check and rules meeting and pay like $70. So you can promote students and have them compete under you. I did this around 2017 under “Wolter Brazilian Jiujitsu”. But didn’t Renew because I stopped teaching.
U can get an approved black belt certificate which is like $400 and $150 to renew. I never did that. I need to do all the above plus a cpr course. I just never saw the value.
Hope this helps
U can just register as a black belt to compete which is like $35 a year. I havnt competed As a black belt since 2018. So not sure if it changed.
Once u do that u U can register as an academy. U gotta do background check and rules meeting and pay like $70. So you can promote students and have them compete under you. I did this around 2017 under “Wolter Brazilian Jiujitsu”. But didn’t Renew because I stopped teaching.
U can get an approved black belt certificate which is like $400 and $150 to renew. I never did that. I need to do all the above plus a cpr course. I just never saw the value.
Hope this helps
Blue beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
seeing responses here make me feel spoiled over on the judo side of things lmao
Hearing you on that one: all the discussion/confusion on black belt degrees based on time served, I am often grateful for a well established Judo curriculum and belt testing requirements, i.e. shodan, with performance of Nage no Kata (tori), nidan (uké), sandan (Katame no Kata), as well as demonstrated/documented coaching and referee service, contest points etc. Coral belts and higher, I understand, demand greater representation (e.g. Olympics) and service (Embassies, Authorship) to be assessed.
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
In Brazil is R$800 (IBJJF - CBJJ), you have to do a first aid certificate and their rules course. I did the rules course in 2015 but is expired and I am waiting for their decision about when we will have another course been held. I asked them for an on-line rules course but no answer for while.
I was told via ibjjf email that they were going to offer the online course two months ago and have not heard anything since then. Still waiting too.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I was told via ibjjf email that they were going to offer the online course two months ago and have not heard anything since then. Still waiting too.
Yeah, I reached out to them a few weeks ago about something and there hasn't been a reply since.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
They are offering on-line rules courses now. Both websites IBJJF and CBJJ (for Portuguese speakers) I just registered for one of them.
Looks like you had to be quick. There are 4 dates being offered and they have all met capacity.
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Black belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Looks like you had to be quick. There are 4 dates being offered and they have all met capacity.
I registered yesterday.
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
They are requiring a 7.0 pass mark. Everybody here knows the points for sweep, mount, back take, etc. But there a few trick situations that might happen on a match, if you are not updated with the newest version of the rules book, you can get surprised. On the course I attended on the past they also transmitted a few matches and asked the final score. I am not sure if they will have such thing now, because it's going to be only 4 hours course.
Just finished the course.
Yes the test includes scoring certain scenarios in matches. Alot of good information and the time was only 4 hours.
Yes the test includes scoring certain scenarios in matches. Alot of good information and the time was only 4 hours.

Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Just finished the course. Yes the test includes scoring certain scenarios in matches. Alot of good information and the time was only 4 hours.
I'm scheduled to take the course on the 22nd of July. What is entailed as far as the test ? How difficult/long is it? Just curious. Thanks for any info.
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I'm scheduled to take the course on the 22nd of July. What is entailed as far as the test ? How difficult/long is it? Just curious. Thanks for any info.
You have to score some and if needed DQ some match participants. You can use the rule book and IBJJF tutorials to complete the test. That's it.



