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Unpopular Jiu Jitsu Opinions
6 year(s) ago • 8618 views • 169 replies
AMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Got any you'd like to share? This is the place.
I'll start.
Flow rolling is fun and very beneficial (when done properly).
I'll start.
Flow rolling is fun and very beneficial (when done properly).
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VABlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Got any you'd like to share? This is the place. I'll start. Flow rolling is fun and very beneficial (when done properly).
That's unpopular?
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Bjj matches should not be called fights.. Flame away
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Got any you'd like to share? This is the place. I'll start. Flow rolling is fun and very beneficial (when done properly).
I agree with that opinion
VABlack beltVerified
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
AMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
That's unpopular?
It is where I train, unfortunately. One of the places I frequent is a competition-oriented gym and the young guys/girls there have two speeds when rolling; stop and go lol
I think it's a good tool that helps develop control...also good to do when injured. Many times when other have flow rolled with me, it unfortunately devolved into them going harder and harder.
I think it's a good tool that helps develop control...also good to do when injured. Many times when other have flow rolled with me, it unfortunately devolved into them going harder and harder.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
It is where I train, unfortunately. One of the places I frequent is a competition-oriented gym and the young guys/girls there have two speeds when rolling; stop and go lol I think it's a good tool that helps develop control...also good to do when injured. Many times when other have flow rolled with me, it unfortunately devolved into them going harder and harder.
It definitely has a place in training for sure. Doesn't replace the core but still instrumental in my opinion.
The young guns will always differ with this because everyone know they are going to be healthy and live forever. No need to maintain the body. lol
The young guns will always differ with this because everyone know they are going to be healthy and live forever. No need to maintain the body. lol
AMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
It definitely has a place in training for sure. Doesn't replace the core but still instrumental in my opinion. The young guns will always differ with this because everyone know they are going to be healthy and live forever. No need to maintain the body. lol
Yep!
JTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Bjj matches should not be called fights.. Flame away
I totally agree with this. Without punches, it's not a fight.
My unpopular opinion: I train my bjj for sport not self defense.
My unpopular opinion: I train my bjj for sport not self defense.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I totally agree with this. Without punches, it's not a fight. My unpopular opinion: I train my bjj for sport not self defense.
At least you are honest about it. I respect that.
AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Time to lose friends and alienate people. I've been sitting on this one for a while.
"The highest calling in BJJ is to represent the art in MMA"
"The highest calling in BJJ is to represent the art in MMA"
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Ok, let' see...
- the IBJJF is pretty pretty great (because they organize very professionals tournaments with the biggest Master divisions)
- BJJ Fanatics is pretty great (for having a huge selection of instructionals from smaller names too + actually paying a fair share to the athletes filming the product)
- FloGrappling is pretty great (because I can find most of my matches from the IBJJF events by searching with my name... as well as my teammates' or anybody else's)
:D
- the IBJJF is pretty pretty great (because they organize very professionals tournaments with the biggest Master divisions)
- BJJ Fanatics is pretty great (for having a huge selection of instructionals from smaller names too + actually paying a fair share to the athletes filming the product)
- FloGrappling is pretty great (because I can find most of my matches from the IBJJF events by searching with my name... as well as my teammates' or anybody else's)
:D
ADPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Technique requires strength.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Technique requires strength.
When learning no. When applying against full resistance you apply the technique and add the strength to make it work.
So yes and no in my opinion. I have a mixed view on it. Use whatever attributes you have but do not gas out. Once gassed all that crap is out the window and all you have left may be technique.
Also depends on the context. Sometimes you are in a sweeping position and your opponent moves in a way where a slight angle change on your part gets the reversal. ( I Love when that happens) So strength was not necessary in that example. Applying an armbar and opponent has strong defense, apply strength to punch it through. Strength makes it work.
So yes and no in my opinion. I have a mixed view on it. Use whatever attributes you have but do not gas out. Once gassed all that crap is out the window and all you have left may be technique.
Also depends on the context. Sometimes you are in a sweeping position and your opponent moves in a way where a slight angle change on your part gets the reversal. ( I Love when that happens) So strength was not necessary in that example. Applying an armbar and opponent has strong defense, apply strength to punch it through. Strength makes it work.
AMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Technique requires strength.
I always try to save strength for the endgame (submission).
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Things I don't agree with:
*** White Belt's shouldn't have their own "style" and or should not be "creative". - Learning and being creative is what makes jiu jitsu fun to me. Understanding why your doing something instead of just focusing on how. Once you understand the why...then you can understand the how and then you can develop a strategy/game plan and then you can start to work on your timing and manipulation after putting all these things together. Then finally you can slowly become more well rounded by working on your weaknesses so that you can enjoy playing to your strengths when needed without being concerned as much about your weaknesses.
*** "BJJ should be focused only on self defense." - I enjoy the never ending problem solving. It's like a brain exercise in real time that has possible consequences. I actually think your best self defense is your personality and decision making. While it is possible a self defense scenario could occur...it's very unlikely and spending so much effort and time into such an unlikely scenario doesn't actually seem wise to me. What keeps me coming back is the never ending learning and challenge of problem solving and actually seeing real progress and growth over time that can effect you in other ways. For some people it may just be a peace of mind and calmness. For others it may be the challenge. For some it may be the social aspects or teaching and helping others or a combination of all of the above and more.
*** Teaching new students submissions on day 1 for offense. - Teaching a new student an Americana/Kimura or Armbar can be dangerous if they don't yet understand how to relax and breathe and that every roll is not about maximum effort and energy output to result in a victory. Just teach someone what can be dangerous and when to tap so they don't get injured. One of the first lessons should be that of balance, posture and posts...then how to relax and breathe. Have them try to pass someone's guard and then sweep them until they understand how important it is to have good use of balance, posture and posts. I have seen people train for over 6 months and still not understand the above and yet taking 10 minutes to show them this and all of a sudden they become better and are able to open up more.
*** White Belt's shouldn't have their own "style" and or should not be "creative". - Learning and being creative is what makes jiu jitsu fun to me. Understanding why your doing something instead of just focusing on how. Once you understand the why...then you can understand the how and then you can develop a strategy/game plan and then you can start to work on your timing and manipulation after putting all these things together. Then finally you can slowly become more well rounded by working on your weaknesses so that you can enjoy playing to your strengths when needed without being concerned as much about your weaknesses.
*** "BJJ should be focused only on self defense." - I enjoy the never ending problem solving. It's like a brain exercise in real time that has possible consequences. I actually think your best self defense is your personality and decision making. While it is possible a self defense scenario could occur...it's very unlikely and spending so much effort and time into such an unlikely scenario doesn't actually seem wise to me. What keeps me coming back is the never ending learning and challenge of problem solving and actually seeing real progress and growth over time that can effect you in other ways. For some people it may just be a peace of mind and calmness. For others it may be the challenge. For some it may be the social aspects or teaching and helping others or a combination of all of the above and more.
*** Teaching new students submissions on day 1 for offense. - Teaching a new student an Americana/Kimura or Armbar can be dangerous if they don't yet understand how to relax and breathe and that every roll is not about maximum effort and energy output to result in a victory. Just teach someone what can be dangerous and when to tap so they don't get injured. One of the first lessons should be that of balance, posture and posts...then how to relax and breathe. Have them try to pass someone's guard and then sweep them until they understand how important it is to have good use of balance, posture and posts. I have seen people train for over 6 months and still not understand the above and yet taking 10 minutes to show them this and all of a sudden they become better and are able to open up more.
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NTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Jumping closed guard is a legit technique that should be practiced from whitebelt, same as heelhooks...
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Jumping closed guard is a legit technique that should be practiced from whitebelt, same as heelhooks...
Good heavens! Why don't you add the flying scissor takedown to the list why you're at it :D
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Jumping closed guard is a legit technique that should be practiced from whitebelt, same as heelhooks...
Only if slamming is also allowed. Rampage style.
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CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Time to lose friends and alienate people. I've been sitting on this one for a while. 'The highest calling in BJJ is to represent the art in MMA'
I’m in on this. What’s your jiu jitsu worth if you haven’t tried it against being punched in the face.
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ANBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
leglocks are normal.
i like pulling guard in mma.
jumping guard is my favourite technique.
just because you tap someone doesnt always mean you are better.
gis should be wide and long so you can do lots of shit with them.
world would be a better place without belts.
position before submission is bs.
fighting for any kind of position to achieve any kind of points under a set timelimit is not jiu jitsu, in fact it goes even against what i believe the soul of jiu jitsu is.
i know im slightly controversial but i stand behind my opinions with fundamental belief...
i like pulling guard in mma.
jumping guard is my favourite technique.
just because you tap someone doesnt always mean you are better.
gis should be wide and long so you can do lots of shit with them.
world would be a better place without belts.
position before submission is bs.
fighting for any kind of position to achieve any kind of points under a set timelimit is not jiu jitsu, in fact it goes even against what i believe the soul of jiu jitsu is.
i know im slightly controversial but i stand behind my opinions with fundamental belief...
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
All blue belt and higher divisions should be 3 five minute rounds that start on the feet until a submission occurs. With only a 1 minute rest between rounds.
This would be fun.
This would be fun.
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ANBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Technique requires strength.
well some certainly does, some can only work with strenght or enough momentum or drive.
while others can rely purely on timing for example
both is certainly true. but if you got alot of strenght you certainly have more technical potential than someone weaker... but if you are able to use that potential is another thing
usually overly strong people are a bit blinded to technique by their strenght...
a strong technical guy is certainly more of a beast than a strong not so technical guy
it should be mentioned that physical energy has its limits though but technique is nearly limitless, however power can be acquired much quicker than technique. but technique lasts power eventually fades with time.
so think for yourself about it...
while others can rely purely on timing for example
both is certainly true. but if you got alot of strenght you certainly have more technical potential than someone weaker... but if you are able to use that potential is another thing
usually overly strong people are a bit blinded to technique by their strenght...
a strong technical guy is certainly more of a beast than a strong not so technical guy
it should be mentioned that physical energy has its limits though but technique is nearly limitless, however power can be acquired much quicker than technique. but technique lasts power eventually fades with time.
so think for yourself about it...
ANBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Good heavens! Why don't you add the flying scissor takedown to the list why you're at it :D
i sometimes teach scissors takedown to noobs... i still lose my shit in each repetition i see them do, maybe im just doing it for the thrills.
i try to explain it really really carefully and even more so try to make them understand the danger of it before i try to make them actually learn it. and i tell them to only do it on me when rolling and not on anyone else or even amongst eachother...
i try to explain it really really carefully and even more so try to make them understand the danger of it before i try to make them actually learn it. and i tell them to only do it on me when rolling and not on anyone else or even amongst eachother...
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Technique requires strength.
Technique is amplified by strength and speed just like it is amplified by timing and experience with a systematic strategy of attacks and manipulation.
Jiu Jitsu is 50% technique and 50% physical/mental attributes (Strength, Speed, Flexibility, Cardio, Toughness, Heart...etc)
If person A is a C on Technique and a D Physically/Mentally against person B who is a D on Technique and a B Physically/Mentally...Person B may very well win.
As long as both people have "some" technical knowledge the more physically/mentally strong person has a good chance at winning even if slightly less technical. If one person has no technical knowledge then the average Blue Belt shouldn't have much of a problem winning.
Jiu Jitsu is 50% technique and 50% physical/mental attributes (Strength, Speed, Flexibility, Cardio, Toughness, Heart...etc)
If person A is a C on Technique and a D Physically/Mentally against person B who is a D on Technique and a B Physically/Mentally...Person B may very well win.
As long as both people have "some" technical knowledge the more physically/mentally strong person has a good chance at winning even if slightly less technical. If one person has no technical knowledge then the average Blue Belt shouldn't have much of a problem winning.
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AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I’m in on this. What’s your jiu jitsu worth if you haven’t tried it against being punched in the face.
The BJJ I signed up for was tried and tested on the beaches of Brazil in NHB fights. Now I get why strikes aren't allowed in BJJ and I don't want them to be. There's no masters division in MMA for a reason. But if people are doing BJJ that falls apart the minute one rule is changed then that's not "evolution" or "revolution" as I'm constantly told, that's regression.
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TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
however power can be acquired much quicker than technique.
This I actually disagree with. At least from where I’m at, it would take me a LOT of work to, say, increase my bench max by 20%, and how much that would improve my jiujitsu..? Perhaps getting a key detail for a submission can happen within minutes, and in any case, using the time to improve my technique (rather than training for strength\power) for sure has better carryover to grappling performance.
AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
leglocks are normal. i like pulling guard in mma. jumping guard is my favourite technique. just because you tap someone doesnt always mean you are better. gis should be wide and long so you can do lots of shit with them. world would be a better place without belts. position before submission is bs. fighting for any kind of position to achieve any kind of points under a set timelimit is not jiu jitsu, in fact it goes even against what i believe the soul of jiu jitsu is. i know im slightly controversial but i stand behind my opinions with fundamental belief...
With regards to points:
I see 3 primary styles in competitions: leg lockers, guard pullers and top players.
The % of submissions from mount or side control at the higher level is relatively small. But those are good striking positions.
If you take away points then the top player strategy is barely viable after a certain skill level. Guard pullers and leg lockers don't fare well in MMA. Yes there are some exceptions, but I'm talking %'s. It would be sad if BJJ ceased to be competitive in MMA and probably damage BJJ in the long term.
In my humble white belt opinion.
I see 3 primary styles in competitions: leg lockers, guard pullers and top players.
The % of submissions from mount or side control at the higher level is relatively small. But those are good striking positions.
If you take away points then the top player strategy is barely viable after a certain skill level. Guard pullers and leg lockers don't fare well in MMA. Yes there are some exceptions, but I'm talking %'s. It would be sad if BJJ ceased to be competitive in MMA and probably damage BJJ in the long term.
In my humble white belt opinion.
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
With regards to points: I see 3 primary styles in competitions: leg lockers, guard pullers and top players. The % of submissions from mount or side control at the higher level is relatively small. But those are good striking positions. If you take away points then the top player strategy is barely viable after a certain skill level. Guard pullers and leg lockers don't fare well in MMA. Yes there are some exceptions, but I'm talking %'s. It would be sad if BJJ ceased to be competitive in MMA and probably damage BJJ in the long term. In my humble white belt opinion.
I strangely like to pull guard but also like to be on top. I like to sweep and then smash instead of just smashing right away. This way allows me to save energy for having multiple matches. I think I might be an anomaly as most people do prefer to pull guard and go for guard attacks or leg locks, or just go for a takedown and then smash.
Does anyone else like to pull guard and sweep then smash? lol I haven't seen anyone else do that really.
Does anyone else like to pull guard and sweep then smash? lol I haven't seen anyone else do that really.
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