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Intentional lystay on belt....
6 year(s) ago • 454 views • 15 replies
VPBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
intentional lystay on belt, for greater probability of success in the competition, is it correct ? I know contestants who, after 9-10 years of active training, remain on the purple belt, for "competition purposes" ?
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Unpopular opinion (maybe): Sandbagging helps keep the belt standards high in BJJ.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Unpopular opinion (maybe): Sandbagging helps keep the belt standards high in BJJ.
No it doesn't - it creates a actual and perceived rift between "competition belt" and hobbyist belt" and that's bad for the sport in coloured belts levels.
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
No it doesn't - it creates a actual and perceived rift between 'competition belt' and hobbyist belt' and that's bad for the sport in coloured belts levels.
That’s true as well
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
intentional lystay
I had to think a bit before I understood what an "intentional lystay" is :D
I do tend to promote competing ppl after 1 (at most 2) medals at current category in noticeable comps.
I do tend to promote competing ppl after 1 (at most 2) medals at current category in noticeable comps.
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VPBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
No it doesn't - it creates a actual and perceived rift between 'competition belt' and hobbyist belt' and that's bad for the sport in coloured belts levels.
I have the same opinion
SMBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I don’t mind the ‘rift’ between hobbyist and competitor, actually. It seems almost necessary that the belts mean different things. In other sports with hobbyist and pros (Tennis, golf, chess...most hobbyists simply never reach the pro ‘ranks’ at all. The equivalent for us would be that hobbyists never really make it past about purple, and most of us would be permanent blue. I would actually be fine with that (if I ruled the world, there would only be three levels: White for beginners, blue for most regular hobbyists, black for top level competitors and professors) but in BJJ we use belts to communicate something about knowledge, teaching ability, maturity. Ability to apply knowledge in live sparring is definitely essential, but maintaining competition fitness and speed and intensity less so. I have been training consistently for seven years, am a technical nerd, and have taught the four and five year olds at my gym for three years; I think my ‘purple’ rank is consistent with community expectations. However, I am 45 years old and don’t really like to compete or even train very often at the edge of my ability and fitness level. 50% effort, with a focus on learning something new and being a good training partner for my teammates, is about right for me. If I went to pan ams, I am sure I could not medal at blue belt even if I did sandbag.
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
At the color belt level, some people tend to perform really well in competition because they do 2 or 3 things examplary & are athletic. But that doesn’t mean they have met the other requirements of their instructor for the next rank, and may have big gaps in their knowledge. Which might be seen as sandbagging by their competition peers, because they win a lot with just their 2 or 3 things.
WJBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
At the color belt level, some people tend to perform really well in competition because they do 2 or 3 things examplary & are athletic. But that doesn’t mean they have met the other requirements of their instructor for the next rank, and may have big gaps in their knowledge. Which might be seen as sandbagging by their competition peers, because they win a lot with just their 2 or 3 things.
I agree with this.
I have come across competitors who are doing really well in competition but can't necessarily translate that success when training in the gym because their wider knowledge is non existent.
When promoting students, the bigger picture should be looked at; a combination of success at competition and in the gym as well as attitude to self discipline and helping others and overall knowledge of the sport. This is what helps improve the integrity of the belt levels. In my opinion.
I have come across competitors who are doing really well in competition but can't necessarily translate that success when training in the gym because their wider knowledge is non existent.
When promoting students, the bigger picture should be looked at; a combination of success at competition and in the gym as well as attitude to self discipline and helping others and overall knowledge of the sport. This is what helps improve the integrity of the belt levels. In my opinion.
KPPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I agree with this. I have come across competitors who are doing really well in competition but can't necessarily translate that success when training in the gym because their wider knowledge is non existent. When promoting students, the bigger picture should be looked at; a combination of success at competition and in the gym as well as attitude to self discipline and helping others and overall knowledge of the sport. This is what helps improve the integrity of the belt levels. In my opinion.
what about guys that are knowledgeable technically sound but dont compete well? i for example tend either not to compete or take wins and losses in competition very lightly as i have a nagging serious injury( herniated c5-c6) that i would rather take it easy on than win a 10$ medal, i teach a fair amount at my club and am constantly striving to improve knowledge. im not by any means saying im ready for brown belt lol. just curious on thoughts.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I see two intertwined paths to progress in BJJ as an art/sport and therefore to get belts:
You have to display skills and you have to display knowledge. In getting belts one can compensate for the lack in other. If you have neither - no growth no belt.
To display/assess skills, nothing beats going against other people who are skilled.
To display knowledge, nothing beats being able to guide people do the previous and/or people who display knowledge.
You have to display skills and you have to display knowledge. In getting belts one can compensate for the lack in other. If you have neither - no growth no belt.
To display/assess skills, nothing beats going against other people who are skilled.
To display knowledge, nothing beats being able to guide people do the previous and/or people who display knowledge.
WJBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
what about guys that are knowledgeable technically sound but dont compete well? i for example tend either not to compete or take wins and losses in competition very lightly as i have a nagging serious injury( herniated c5-c6) that i would rather take it easy on than win a 10$ medal, i teach a fair amount at my club and am constantly striving to improve knowledge. im not by any means saying im ready for brown belt lol. just curious on thoughts.
If you choose not to compete that’s cool. It’s not for everyone. The original post was specifically about those who compete which is why I tailored my answer to that. If you have a student who is keen on competition then you should try and develop that student to be the best they can be, holding them back to sandbag or conversely promoting too quickly won’t help them in doing that. Balancing the bigger picture should help you as an instructor make those decisions on when to promote IMHO.
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
At the color belt level, some people tend to perform really well in competition because they do 2 or 3 things examplary & are athletic. But that doesn’t mean they have met the other requirements of their instructor for the next rank, and may have big gaps in their knowledge. Which might be seen as sandbagging by their competition peers, because they win a lot with just their 2 or 3 things.
But I like my 2 or 3 things.
Bruce Lee - I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.
Only somewhat joking :-p
The real effectiveness of not being "well rounded" is being able to force your opponents to engage in your strengths and avoid their strengths. The more strengths and less weaknesses you have the more avenues for the path of least resistance. But in my dumb head id rather be really good at one thing then average at everything. Still slowly becoming well rounded over time trying to work on my weaknesses that have been exposed and filling up those gaps so I can continue to better my A/B Game.
I think trying to be as well rounded as possible on a never ending cycle would be very boring and not very efficient in competition (of near equal time trained)...at least in the short term...People with over 10 years experience it may just simply be all about finding someone's weakest area and trying to exploit it.
Yes there are always the situations when someone with more experience or that is really good at countering your A game will destroy you because of it. And I accept that. lol
Bruce Lee - I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.
Only somewhat joking :-p
The real effectiveness of not being "well rounded" is being able to force your opponents to engage in your strengths and avoid their strengths. The more strengths and less weaknesses you have the more avenues for the path of least resistance. But in my dumb head id rather be really good at one thing then average at everything. Still slowly becoming well rounded over time trying to work on my weaknesses that have been exposed and filling up those gaps so I can continue to better my A/B Game.
I think trying to be as well rounded as possible on a never ending cycle would be very boring and not very efficient in competition (of near equal time trained)...at least in the short term...People with over 10 years experience it may just simply be all about finding someone's weakest area and trying to exploit it.
Yes there are always the situations when someone with more experience or that is really good at countering your A game will destroy you because of it. And I accept that. lol
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DKBlue beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
It's tough but when a student is winning all these tourneys, what are you gonna do? Hold em back because they're good? I can't justify that myself..
Some of my judo guys have to forgo the white belt division because they are just beating on white belts.. (they are not bb in judo) and I'm like look, you've beaten the past 3 tournaments with ease, you gotta move on. I don't care if your going to wear a white belt in this coming tournament, your going to be in the blue belt division lol
Some of my judo guys have to forgo the white belt division because they are just beating on white belts.. (they are not bb in judo) and I'm like look, you've beaten the past 3 tournaments with ease, you gotta move on. I don't care if your going to wear a white belt in this coming tournament, your going to be in the blue belt division lol
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
It's tough but when a student is winning all these tourneys, what are you gonna do? Hold em back because they're good? I can't justify that myself.. Some of my judo guys have to forgo the white belt division because they are just beating on white belts.. (they are not bb in judo) and I'm like look, you've beaten the past 3 tournaments with ease, you gotta move on. I don't care if your going to wear a white belt in this coming tournament, your going to be in the blue belt division lol
Problem is most tournaments won't let you compete up in skill in the gi. Only 1 out of 5ish in my area for example will so I am only going to their tournaments at the moment but have to drive further and get a hotel just to try and challenge myself.
To me this is the only real problem. If all the tournaments would just let you compete up 1 belt rank then I would never care. As is it makes me care as its slowing my ability to have competition matches near where I live that help me grow and expose my weaknesses so I can get better regardless of record and wins.
To me this is the only real problem. If all the tournaments would just let you compete up 1 belt rank then I would never care. As is it makes me care as its slowing my ability to have competition matches near where I live that help me grow and expose my weaknesses so I can get better regardless of record and wins.
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