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Diesel Squeezel / Gogo Choke / 10 Finger Guillotine
6 year(s) ago • 1733 views • 7 replies
AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Does anyone have success with the Diesel Squeezel? I'm intrigued by this video that claims it works no matter which way they fall, unlike a normal guillotine. Not being able to train at the moment, I wondered how high-percentage it is trying to finish this when they are passing the other side (normally a safe-ish position from guillotine): https://www.youtube.com/w[...]sCcq52_uac
I was also watching Ben Rothwell submit Josh Barnett and Matt Mitrione with a 'Gogo choke' but it's really hard to see the grip on fight pass. Does anyone use this and if so, what's the difference between a gogo choke and a 10 Finger Guillotine?
I was also watching Ben Rothwell submit Josh Barnett and Matt Mitrione with a 'Gogo choke' but it's really hard to see the grip on fight pass. Does anyone use this and if so, what's the difference between a gogo choke and a 10 Finger Guillotine?
JPBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I'll take any excuse to watch a Keenan tutorial. That guy is awesome. I will say that I feel like I learned this choke roughly 25 years ago in Judo. I think perhaps it's an old choke gaining some dap as a new choke.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I saw the video but never got to practicing it before the pandemic... :(
RMBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I learned a similar grip for the guillotine back at the Globetrotters camp in Leuven in 2015. It didn't have a specific name, so since the instructor came from a Luta Livre background I just called it the "Luta Livre Guillotine" for years. More recently, I spotted that Neil Melanson teaches it and calls it the Handgun Choke, so from a naming point of view I've switched to that.
The Handgun choking mechanic is different from what Keenan appears to emphasise (i.e. not a fist fist in the throat), but the overall hand configuration where you grip your own forearm is the same. I've had great success with it - it's basically become my standard version of the standing guillotine ever since. I'm not as fond of it in an open guard situation, but when you're standing and can really drive your hips forward it has tremendous finishing power.
The Handgun choking mechanic is different from what Keenan appears to emphasise (i.e. not a fist fist in the throat), but the overall hand configuration where you grip your own forearm is the same. I've had great success with it - it's basically become my standard version of the standing guillotine ever since. I'm not as fond of it in an open guard situation, but when you're standing and can really drive your hips forward it has tremendous finishing power.
AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I'll take any excuse to watch a Keenan tutorial. That guy is awesome. I will say that I feel like I learned this choke roughly 25 years ago in Judo. I think perhaps it's an old choke gaining some dap as a new choke.
How likely are you to finish the submission if you go to the ground and they pass to the side?
AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I learned a similar grip for the guillotine back at the Globetrotters camp in Leuven in 2015. It didn't have a specific name, so since the instructor came from a Luta Livre background I just called it the 'Luta Livre Guillotine' for years. More recently, I spotted that Neil Melanson teaches it and calls it the Handgun Choke, so from a naming point of view I've switched to that. The Handgun choking mechanic is different from what Keenan appears to emphasise (i.e. not a fist fist in the throat), but the overall hand configuration where you grip your own forearm is the same. I've had great success with it - it's basically become my standard version of the standing guillotine ever since. I'm not as fond of it in an open guard situation, but when you're standing and can really drive your hips forward it has tremendous finishing power.
How likely are you to finish the submission if you go to the ground and they pass to the side?
RMBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
How likely are you to finish the submission if you go to the ground and they pass to the side?
On the ground I usually go for the more standard or high-elbow guillotine grip, so I don't have much data on the Handgun variant from there. It's almost exclusively a standing move for me, since it fits so well with the single collar clinch game I like to play. I love it because even if you don't get the tap it's still an incredibly strong control grip, and you can use it to wrench them around, hit snapdowns etc.
Neil maintains that you can still tap people with it while being passed on the ground, at least: https://www.youtube.com/w[...]amp;t=269s
Neil maintains that you can still tap people with it while being passed on the ground, at least: https://www.youtube.com/w[...]amp;t=269s
JBBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Did play a little bit with the Diesel Squeezel in drilling. It felt like even if they passed, you could still get the choke, or they would have to roll to try to alleviate pressure. And then you would be on top with the choke still on. Didn't get the chance to try it out too much in rolling before gyms were closed down though. But if the grip was right, it felt really powerful.
