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Anyone crosstrain in other grappling styles?
6 year(s) ago • 30677 views • 66 replies
CKBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
As it says my friends!
I know a lot of us Jiu Jitsu guys are always seeking out martial knowledge and it has definitely led me to cross-train both seriously and casually over the years. Besides BJJ, I train in Submission Arts Wrestling (SAW). It's a hybrid form of Catch & Sambo. I've also had some casual Judo over the years, but the Earth kept landing on me, so Judo was always a casual affair lol.
How about the rest of you? Judo? Catch? Sambo?
Interested in the responses!
I know a lot of us Jiu Jitsu guys are always seeking out martial knowledge and it has definitely led me to cross-train both seriously and casually over the years. Besides BJJ, I train in Submission Arts Wrestling (SAW). It's a hybrid form of Catch & Sambo. I've also had some casual Judo over the years, but the Earth kept landing on me, so Judo was always a casual affair lol.
How about the rest of you? Judo? Catch? Sambo?
Interested in the responses!
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
If I train leglocks no gi what it is then :) ? What makes a grappling style a grappling style other than sport ruleset?
AMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I guess 10th Planet would be considered another grappling system (at least to me, coming from a 'traditional' jiu jitsu background). When I first started training with good 10th P guys, it became quickly apparent that I couldn't defend myself below the waist. lol
Did fencing up until semi-recently. Not a grappling art but it gave me an advantage in standup (I thought).
Did fencing up until semi-recently. Not a grappling art but it gave me an advantage in standup (I thought).
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CKBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
If I train leglocks no gi what it is then :) ? What makes a grappling style a grappling style other than sport ruleset?
Well, those who train and earn in other styles would probably say its their respective styles.
Try telling Josh Barnett or any CACC guy that its all the same lol
Try telling Josh Barnett or any CACC guy that its all the same lol
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
So it's sport rulesets, and marketing branding and tribal identity then :)
I just like the term Jiu-Jitsu because it's a nice international term to use for ... branding and marketing :) and "grappling" doesn't really translate into my native language (it's the same word as "wrestling" but if you use that word then all the normies will think Olympic).
I just like the term Jiu-Jitsu because it's a nice international term to use for ... branding and marketing :) and "grappling" doesn't really translate into my native language (it's the same word as "wrestling" but if you use that word then all the normies will think Olympic).
AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Well I think MMA is quite different really. It never really occurred to me that anyone would actually want to be in closed guard so it was quite a shock the first time I trained BJJ. I've also trained with some 10th planet guys and that was another paradigm shift for me. Of the 2, I much prefer the 10th planet leglock system, you aren't going to simply punch your way out of it.
DBBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Brown belt in judo, did some wrestling classes at MMA gyms, and I hit up every Sambo seminar I can make. I'm hoping to compete in Sambo as soon as the lockdown ends and the Michigan Open can be rescheduled.
CBBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
BJJ, Judo and I also try to teach myself Sambo. Buy any Sambo video I can find and I was planning to travel to Russia and visit a Sambo gym while I was there. Generally speaking I really love Sambo and hope one day to compete.
DBBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
@Chris - Unfortunately I don't know of any Sambo gyms in Cologne (the closest are probably the Netherlands or Belgium), but I believe Hamburg, Hanover, Berlin, and Leipzig all have clubs in terms of Sambo in Germany and possible competitions. The Dutch Open is usually a good tournament as well that should be relatively close to you when you're ready to compete.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Be wary about training Sambo in Russia (and I presume also from Russian expats) - after Soviet Union fell apart, quality control in that regard ceased to exist and there's huge variety. Some instructors were only Combat Sambo (MMAish version) experts, some only grappling experts some bullshit-self-defence "experts". Some started to pretend to be experts while having only limited experience and no track record.
So if you choose a school then FRESH accomplishments in Sambo is a good sign of quality and disregard the fact that the head honcho was or wasn't a "Master of Sports" in Russia / USSR 30 years ago.
So if you choose a school then FRESH accomplishments in Sambo is a good sign of quality and disregard the fact that the head honcho was or wasn't a "Master of Sports" in Russia / USSR 30 years ago.
DBBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
On the note of Russia, Борец and САМБО 70 in Moscow are both spoken well-of in English-speaking Sambo community and Almaz Fight Club in St. Petersburg has Kirill Sementsov of the Battle Beetle YouTube channel who has fantastic English if learning in Russian is a potential barrier for you. We don't have a great list of Russian clubs on the map that r/Sambo keeps because relatively few of us on r/Sambo speak Russian, but those are the ones most commonly discussed when someone is looking for a recommendation in Russia.
CBBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
@Drew, there is a small Sambo group in Cologne, but it is specifically a Combat Sambo group, which I'm honestly not very interested in (I'm 44 and don't really feel like getting punched in the face on a regular basis, and I'm just a Grappler at heart anyway). I've seen some people giving seminars in Sambo, but I get suspicious when I see "1 Dan Sambo" in their credentials.
DBBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
FIAS just released belt colors for Sambo this year. There were attempts in the past to have ordinal rankings and belt colors, so it's possible they have a shodan in Sambo and it's "legit" for some definition, but in general a belt color or ordinal rank in Sambo is definitely a red flag. A good Sambo coach generally intoduces themselves by their accomplishments in tournaments (i.e. gold at US Nationals 2018) or by a title/rank from the Master of Sport system if their country has that. I'd be just as wary of the folks you're mentioning.
ILBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I have been fortunate to train jiujitsu with practitioners who are both black belts in bjj & judo and/or bjj black belt who are also D1 wrestlers.
When I train judo, I still wear a white belt .
When I've trained with wrestlers, I wear my Adidas
Personally, I love judo more than bjj.
When I train judo, I still wear a white belt .
When I've trained with wrestlers, I wear my Adidas
Personally, I love judo more than bjj.
AMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I'd love to actually put bjj on hold and focus on judo for an extended period of time. Just a handful of 'tall guy' throws that I could toggle between. No good judo places around here though, or at least none that would accommodate my non-traditional, unorthodoxed, narrowed request to just train a few techniques. lol
CBPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I have been fortunate to train jiujitsu with practitioners who are both black belts in bjj & judo and/or bjj black belt who are also D1 wrestlers. When I train judo, I still wear a white belt . When I've trained with wrestlers, I wear my Adidas Personally, I love judo more than bjj.
If you love Judo more than BJJ, Why is the put in time ratio as big as Black belt, White belt, and why haven't you spent more time doing the sport that you love the most? :-)
HSBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I only participate in no-gi and CACC classes at my gym, but they offer BJJ, CACC, No-gi, Judo, Striking class, and S.A.W. for the kids classes.
My coach is heavy into cross training grappling styles to help make everyone as well rounded of a grappler as possible.
My coach is heavy into cross training grappling styles to help make everyone as well rounded of a grappler as possible.
CBBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
FIAS just released belt colors for Sambo this year.
@Drew,
I'd heard that FIAs was thinking of implementing this, but didn't know that it actually went through. I could actually see this helping promote the sport out side of russia a lot, provided that they keep things tied to competition as they have in the past. Think I'll need to look this up. I'm already trying to get dual Black Belts in BJJ and Judo, having an additional one in Sambo would be absolutely kick ass! :)
I'd heard that FIAs was thinking of implementing this, but didn't know that it actually went through. I could actually see this helping promote the sport out side of russia a lot, provided that they keep things tied to competition as they have in the past. Think I'll need to look this up. I'm already trying to get dual Black Belts in BJJ and Judo, having an additional one in Sambo would be absolutely kick ass! :)
DBBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
@Chris national governing bodies will need to determine how to implement and what requirements they want in my understanding, but FIAS did approve what the ranks will be - https://sambo.sport/en/ne[...]rWSIVIRQkc
White, yellow, orange, green, blue, brown black. It's likely a minimum of one year at each color/rank based on what's been outlined.
White, yellow, orange, green, blue, brown black. It's likely a minimum of one year at each color/rank based on what's been outlined.
ILBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
If you love Judo more than BJJ, Why is the put in time ratio as big as Black belt, White belt, and why haven't you spent more time doing the sport that you love the most? :-)
My training ratio is 60-40 %
( 60% ne waza, 40% takedowns ; alternating quarterly cycles since 2010 )
I have disdain for certain aspects of modern jiujitsu as well as modern judo.
As Royce Gracie said "black belt only covers two inches of your ass. You have to cover the rest."
Plus , sandbagging is fun!
( 60% ne waza, 40% takedowns ; alternating quarterly cycles since 2010 )
I have disdain for certain aspects of modern jiujitsu as well as modern judo.
As Royce Gracie said "black belt only covers two inches of your ass. You have to cover the rest."
Plus , sandbagging is fun!
JABlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I've been doing Judo for about 8 years, and BJJ for 5.5 years. I love them both. To me both are very different mindsets and both have their pro's and cons.
I certainly have a lot of Judo newaza that are some of my favorite techniques such as Kesa Gatame and "unorthodox" submissions in BJJ that are standards in Judo such as Ryote-jime etc...
I certainly have a lot of Judo newaza that are some of my favorite techniques such as Kesa Gatame and "unorthodox" submissions in BJJ that are standards in Judo such as Ryote-jime etc...
CBBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
@Drew,
Wow, that's really interesting. Thank you very much for the info. Do you know if they have some sort of curriculum or is the grading like in BJJ.
Now we just need something like Sambo Globetrotters.
Wow, that's really interesting. Thank you very much for the info. Do you know if they have some sort of curriculum or is the grading like in BJJ.
Now we just need something like Sambo Globetrotters.
DBBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
There's no formal curriculum that I've seen from FIAS, theoretically it would be handled by the NGBs (like how the NGBs handle grading for judo). I know USA Sambo is still in discussions about how to handle criteria for the ranks in the US and isn't planning to award them until after the pandemic has died down. I'd assume the other federations are having similar internal discussions.
ILBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I've been doing Judo for about 8 years, and BJJ for 5.5 years. I love them both. To me both are very different mindsets and both have their pro's and cons. I certainly have a lot of Judo newaza that are some of my favorite techniques such as Kesa Gatame and 'unorthodox' submissions in BJJ that are standards in Judo such as Ryote-jime etc...
Very cool ! Ryote jime is no joke . One of my favorites, although unsavory, is still kata te jime combined with the double under pass.
While I wont criticize people who butt scoot or whatever, IMO, if more people would at a minimum learn sutemi waza , it would greatly advance jiu-jitsu
While I wont criticize people who butt scoot or whatever, IMO, if more people would at a minimum learn sutemi waza , it would greatly advance jiu-jitsu
JABlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Very cool ! Ryote jime is no joke . One of my favorites, although unsavory, is still kata te jime combined with the double under pass. While I wont criticize people who butt scoot or whatever, IMO, if more people would at a minimum learn sutemi waza , it would greatly advance jiu-jitsu
I agree Professor on having a little more takedowns in BJJ. They have certainly have helped me.
Kata te jime is a favorite as well from double-unders and side control. I use that a lot as a control mechaninism so I can pass, or hold them down. Probably why a lot of folks at my academy call me "Jerk-Jitsu" lol
Kata te jime is a favorite as well from double-unders and side control. I use that a lot as a control mechaninism so I can pass, or hold them down. Probably why a lot of folks at my academy call me "Jerk-Jitsu" lol
GFBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Tokyo here, and we cross-train a little bit of Sambo, Sumo, Shooto
One of our coaches trains Sambo and that often influences his classes. He also did Sumo in his younger years and there are some really interesting techniques there that I haven't really seen elsewhere.
e.g. 外無双 Sotomusou and 内無双 Uchimusou
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nh[...]niques/42/
I love that move.
Our gym being in Japan quite a few folks have Judo backgrounds from their highschool or college days, it's still a thing although less and less so I believe. I also trained Judo when I did my first student-exchange program in Japan back in 1994.
For Shooto, every once in a while we have some visitors, friends of the coaches, who were into Shooto. More neck-cranks and twists everywhere, elbow or hand on face, etc. it's more the mindset than the techniques perhaps.
As someone mentioned earlier, grappling styles have so many similarities that it mostly comes down to the rule sets and how these lead to differences in focus.
I also used to train with a fascinating guy who had a background in Daitoryu and other Koryu and to this day his wristlocks are the nastiest I've ever felt.
One of our coaches trains Sambo and that often influences his classes. He also did Sumo in his younger years and there are some really interesting techniques there that I haven't really seen elsewhere.
e.g. 外無双 Sotomusou and 内無双 Uchimusou
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nh[...]niques/42/
I love that move.
Our gym being in Japan quite a few folks have Judo backgrounds from their highschool or college days, it's still a thing although less and less so I believe. I also trained Judo when I did my first student-exchange program in Japan back in 1994.
For Shooto, every once in a while we have some visitors, friends of the coaches, who were into Shooto. More neck-cranks and twists everywhere, elbow or hand on face, etc. it's more the mindset than the techniques perhaps.
As someone mentioned earlier, grappling styles have so many similarities that it mostly comes down to the rule sets and how these lead to differences in focus.
I also used to train with a fascinating guy who had a background in Daitoryu and other Koryu and to this day his wristlocks are the nastiest I've ever felt.
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SCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
BJJ, Judo and I also try to teach myself Sambo. Buy any Sambo video I can find and I was planning to travel to Russia and visit a Sambo gym while I was there. Generally speaking I really love Sambo and hope one day to compete.
I have a similar interest in sambo and try to train in that to the best of my ability outside of the context of an actual sambo gym.
CBBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
@Scott
I definitely feel your pain. A friend of mine and I have talked about opening a gym in the future together. First thing on the list is Sambo seminars!!!
I definitely feel your pain. A friend of mine and I have talked about opening a gym in the future together. First thing on the list is Sambo seminars!!!
DBBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
@Chris @Scott you could consider reaching out to Ivaylo Ivanov (Yagadome, out of Bulgaria - http://yagadome.com/affiliation/) or Vlad Koulikov (Sambo Fusion, out of New Jersey - I'd reach out to him on social media like Instagram or Facebook for details, Vlad's also on here) for Sambo curricula you could integrate into your training if that's a route you're looking to go. They're both judo and BJJ black belts also so their programs tend to focus on the union of Sambo, Judo, and BJJ and a style of grappling that can be applicable to almost any rule set. Ivaylo will show a lot of Greco stuff for example, and Vlad has competed in shuai jiao as well if I'm not mistaken, though Vlad, if you see this, please correct me or clarify if that's inaccurate or misleading.
SCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
@Chris @Scott you could consider reaching out to Ivaylo Ivanov (Yagadome, out of Bulgaria - http://yagadome.com/affiliation/) or Vlad Koulikov (Sambo Fusion, out of New Jersey - I'd reach out to him on social media like Instagram or Facebook for details, Vlad's also on here) for Sambo curricula you could integrate into your training if that's a route you're looking to go. They're both judo and BJJ black belts also so their programs tend to focus on the union of Sambo, Judo, and BJJ and a style of grappling that can be applicable to almost any rule set. Ivaylo will show a lot of Greco stuff for example, and Vlad has competed in shuai jiao as well if I'm not mistaken, though Vlad, if you see this, please correct me or clarify if that's inaccurate or misleading.
Awesome, thanks for the recommendation!
