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New students and rolling/sparring
6 year(s) ago • 10523 views • 21 replies
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Hi All
Just curious. At what level or how soon new students are allowed to start rolling/sparring at your club?
Our club has a policy which roughly dictates that you can only start rolling/sparring with others after receiving the first stripe on your white belt (more or less 6 months after you start). They do allow and do a lot of positional off-the-wall sparring from day 1. The rolling/sparring for the 1 stripe white belts is only on a specific day in the week. They don't roll on their own, they basically join the higher belts.
You need to be blue belt if you want to attend all of the rolling/sparring sessions. It's also at this stage where you will be allowed to join the advanced class.
I'd like to get a feel for how other clubs handle new students and rolling/sparring
Thanks
Just curious. At what level or how soon new students are allowed to start rolling/sparring at your club?
Our club has a policy which roughly dictates that you can only start rolling/sparring with others after receiving the first stripe on your white belt (more or less 6 months after you start). They do allow and do a lot of positional off-the-wall sparring from day 1. The rolling/sparring for the 1 stripe white belts is only on a specific day in the week. They don't roll on their own, they basically join the higher belts.
You need to be blue belt if you want to attend all of the rolling/sparring sessions. It's also at this stage where you will be allowed to join the advanced class.
I'd like to get a feel for how other clubs handle new students and rolling/sparring
Thanks
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
We pair up new members to roll with experienced members to teach them 'the ropes' of rolling in a controlled way from day 1
progresses organically from there
progresses organically from there
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
We start them on day 1 with positional rolls like trying to pass guard or hold side control.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Day 1 people with zero experience of any form of wrestling/grappling, I tell them to start from the knees and only try to put their partner on the back and mount. 1-0 for you, back to starting position.
In pretty much every class there's positional sparring or live games so from there on it's pretty fast to let them do normal sparring, and laugh at their mistakes.
In pretty much every class there's positional sparring or live games so from there on it's pretty fast to let them do normal sparring, and laugh at their mistakes.
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Day 1
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Hi All Just curious. At what level or how soon new students are allowed to start rolling/sparring at your club? Our club has a policy which roughly dictates that you can only start rolling/sparring with others after receiving the first stripe on your white belt (more or less 6 months after you start). They do allow and do a lot of positional off-the-wall sparring from day 1. The rolling/sparring for the 1 stripe white belts is only on a specific day in the week. They don't roll on their own, they basically join the higher belts. You need to be blue belt if you want to attend all of the rolling/sparring sessions. It's also at this stage where you will be allowed to join the advanced class. I'd like to get a feel for how other clubs handle new students and rolling/sparring Thanks
I have people start from the first day, but via specific training from whatever position was worked on that day.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Hi All Just curious. At what level or how soon new students are allowed to start rolling/sparring at your club? Our club has a policy which roughly dictates that you can only start rolling/sparring with others after receiving the first stripe on your white belt (more or less 6 months after you start). They do allow and do a lot of positional off-the-wall sparring from day 1. The rolling/sparring for the 1 stripe white belts is only on a specific day in the week. They don't roll on their own, they basically join the higher belts. You need to be blue belt if you want to attend all of the rolling/sparring sessions. It's also at this stage where you will be allowed to join the advanced class. I'd like to get a feel for how other clubs handle new students and rolling/sparring Thanks
First day, though yeah, I will pair them up with somebody more experienced. I also don't force anybody to spar, ever: it's always fine to sit out if you want to. So sometimes brand new people will just watch.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I also don't force anybody to spar, ever: it's always fine to sit out if you want to. So sometimes brand new people will just watch.
I couldn't imagine staying at a gym where they force you to spar.
Brown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
It depends which class they show up to. If they show up to the 1hr fundamental class there is no rolling for in that class, so it is drills and teaching. If they show up to the other classes with rolling they roll from day 1. Typically brand new people will get paired with a blue belt or higher so that way the rolls can be controlled even if the new person is going hard, and the blue belt has enough knowledge and experience to help guide the new peon through a roll.
Edited 6 year(s) ago
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Day 1 they "roll" with me, nobody else until I gague them for a few weeks. But they must attend my syllabus class where I teach fundamentals and there is positional resistant training.
They can attend the advanced class after if they wish but I warn them that the material is beyond them and that I'll try and help them as much as possible but they may not get their hand held through the whole lesson.
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They can attend the advanced class after if they wish but I warn them that the material is beyond them and that I'll try and help them as much as possible but they may not get their hand held through the whole lesson.
#onlycoachinthebuilding
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
You need to be blue belt if you want to attend all of the rolling/sparring sessions.
I don't understand this at all...how do you expect them to have a chance in a tournament in this scenario? I know I am just a dumb white belt but I feel like that is kind of handicapping them. But I am the crazy person who signed up for 8 divisions in a tournament just after 1 month of training. lol
The first jiu-jitsu academy/class I ever went to they made me watch it and didn't let me practice at all and I thought it was boring and didn't try again for 2 years until I went to an MMA gym where I did boxing then did a jiu jitsu class after because I was there already and they let me roll and spar on day 1 and was hooked. If I had not got to roll on day 1 at that gym I may have never given jiu-jitsu a chance.
If I was not allowed to spar for 6 months I prob would of found jiu jitsu very boring before getting addicted to it. I am sure I got more injuries/strains my first year of training because I was at a MMA gym and did not know how to properly avoid injuries/strains etc from people trying to crank stuff and looking back I wish I was taken care of a little bit more but at the same time I wouldn't of wanted to be coddled either. Somewhere imbetween the 2 extremes would of been best which seems to be what most pure jiu-jitsu academies do anyways.
Every academy has Pros and Cons including how aggressive or laid back people are and the style being used. Some places are much more beginner/fundamental focused and others have a more intermediate nogi 10th planet style and others have a very advanced 12 steps for each technique and transitions to and from and I have really never seen a perfect academy that fits all skill levels and personalities of jiu jitsu. Why I love cross training as your able to get the best from all worlds.
Looking back on day 1 I think it would be a good idea to just have a blue belt or high level white belt that is good with sweeps basically do a mini private with the new person and show them how easy it is for them to be swept a 100 different ways with little to no effort and show them the importance of posture and post awareness of your arms/hands and legs/knees. Like I can sweep a new person that has never grappled before and allow them to attack me at 100% full speed with my eyes closed and not using my arms or hands and just using my legs most of the time and it's a really humbling experience and it shows someone how good jiu jitsu actually really is and makes someone really want to learn more. I think trying to show someone an armbar or Americana on day 1 Is stupid. First show someone how to have good posture and to not get swept so easily and there positional awareness IQ will greatly increase to where they can learn faster and also that they do not need to spaz out and do everything at full speed. To just relax, breathe and not to tense up and squeeze everything as tight as possible. And then maybe show them a basic guard pass from the ground like a knee slice from combat base and keep them aware of possible sweeps and having good posture. Showing them the guard pass or submissions before they understand posture and post awareness is backwards.
And then during sparring if they want to spar put them with someone who is not going to try to "win" the spar at all cost. Doesn't matter what belt rank just someone who has the maturity and is not ego driven to know not to injure or spaz out on a new person or crank submissions. Some academies almost everyone is relaxed and chill and its never an issue while some mma gyms most people spaz out and crank everything. I'm assuming at your academy from the way you worded things that most people who have been there for any period of time are not going to be spazzing out on people and hurting them.
I just wouldn't let 2 brand new white belts spar full speed that don't know what they are doing without at least being watched. That is about the only restriction that makes any sense if trying to actually get people to give jiu-jitsu a chance and experience it as you need to feel how good jiu-jitsu actually is but also how fun it can be at the same time.
You can also normally read someone's personality type as well. Some people need to be humbled a bit and then they either realize how amazing jiu-jitsu is and want to learn more or their ego can't take it while some others are way more laid back and passive and don't need that at all and may need just a more safe relaxed and not more then just positional sparring of the first day. I would just read each person on an individual basis based upon their personality and slightly customize your plan with them based upon your initial reaction of them.
The first jiu-jitsu academy/class I ever went to they made me watch it and didn't let me practice at all and I thought it was boring and didn't try again for 2 years until I went to an MMA gym where I did boxing then did a jiu jitsu class after because I was there already and they let me roll and spar on day 1 and was hooked. If I had not got to roll on day 1 at that gym I may have never given jiu-jitsu a chance.
If I was not allowed to spar for 6 months I prob would of found jiu jitsu very boring before getting addicted to it. I am sure I got more injuries/strains my first year of training because I was at a MMA gym and did not know how to properly avoid injuries/strains etc from people trying to crank stuff and looking back I wish I was taken care of a little bit more but at the same time I wouldn't of wanted to be coddled either. Somewhere imbetween the 2 extremes would of been best which seems to be what most pure jiu-jitsu academies do anyways.
Every academy has Pros and Cons including how aggressive or laid back people are and the style being used. Some places are much more beginner/fundamental focused and others have a more intermediate nogi 10th planet style and others have a very advanced 12 steps for each technique and transitions to and from and I have really never seen a perfect academy that fits all skill levels and personalities of jiu jitsu. Why I love cross training as your able to get the best from all worlds.
Looking back on day 1 I think it would be a good idea to just have a blue belt or high level white belt that is good with sweeps basically do a mini private with the new person and show them how easy it is for them to be swept a 100 different ways with little to no effort and show them the importance of posture and post awareness of your arms/hands and legs/knees. Like I can sweep a new person that has never grappled before and allow them to attack me at 100% full speed with my eyes closed and not using my arms or hands and just using my legs most of the time and it's a really humbling experience and it shows someone how good jiu jitsu actually really is and makes someone really want to learn more. I think trying to show someone an armbar or Americana on day 1 Is stupid. First show someone how to have good posture and to not get swept so easily and there positional awareness IQ will greatly increase to where they can learn faster and also that they do not need to spaz out and do everything at full speed. To just relax, breathe and not to tense up and squeeze everything as tight as possible. And then maybe show them a basic guard pass from the ground like a knee slice from combat base and keep them aware of possible sweeps and having good posture. Showing them the guard pass or submissions before they understand posture and post awareness is backwards.
And then during sparring if they want to spar put them with someone who is not going to try to "win" the spar at all cost. Doesn't matter what belt rank just someone who has the maturity and is not ego driven to know not to injure or spaz out on a new person or crank submissions. Some academies almost everyone is relaxed and chill and its never an issue while some mma gyms most people spaz out and crank everything. I'm assuming at your academy from the way you worded things that most people who have been there for any period of time are not going to be spazzing out on people and hurting them.
I just wouldn't let 2 brand new white belts spar full speed that don't know what they are doing without at least being watched. That is about the only restriction that makes any sense if trying to actually get people to give jiu-jitsu a chance and experience it as you need to feel how good jiu-jitsu actually is but also how fun it can be at the same time.
You can also normally read someone's personality type as well. Some people need to be humbled a bit and then they either realize how amazing jiu-jitsu is and want to learn more or their ego can't take it while some others are way more laid back and passive and don't need that at all and may need just a more safe relaxed and not more then just positional sparring of the first day. I would just read each person on an individual basis based upon their personality and slightly customize your plan with them based upon your initial reaction of them.
Edited 6 year(s) ago
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
day 3...this way they have some basic tools - hip escapes etc...
Black beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
We have a "beginners' course" one has to take if no previous grappling experience.
On the first few classes the "sparring" is more like games (between the attendees), but we want the students to get physical right away. In about 3-4 classes it should resemble actual positional sparring, but is still quite limited in what one can do and what is the goal.
After 8 weeks full sparring with each other & more advanced students, and the right to participate to all classes.
On the first few classes the "sparring" is more like games (between the attendees), but we want the students to get physical right away. In about 3-4 classes it should resemble actual positional sparring, but is still quite limited in what one can do and what is the goal.
After 8 weeks full sparring with each other & more advanced students, and the right to participate to all classes.
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Thank you for the feedback from everyone, it's interesting to see what others are doing.
The thing that got me addicted and still leaves me wanting to go back is learning something new and trying it out during a live sparring session while having to avoid getting stuck in the other persons game.
You constantly hear stories of people trying out Jiu Jitsu and how amazed they are after getting swept and submitted in a few minutes. I believe this shows the power of Jiu Jitsu and gets people to sign up in an instance.
I also agree that people shouldn't be forced to roll and can watch if they want to. People are different, some have zero experience in getting physical and might be a lot more cautious while other may have experiencing in playing some sort of physical sport like rugby and don't mind getting into it.
There are also the doubters that just want to test the system and until they live roll will not understand how little they know.
The other issue is how do you prep for a comp as a white belt if your not able to roll more often.
I think our club does it the way they do in order to keep injuries down and to have the new guys get good at fundamentals before filling their heads with other things. Which is fine. But I still believe there is a way around this, they should pair the new guys with more experienced people. All of the blue belts and up at our club are nice people. None of them are going to try and kill the new guy, but you still need to convince them that Jiu Jitsu is the shit.
The thing that got me addicted and still leaves me wanting to go back is learning something new and trying it out during a live sparring session while having to avoid getting stuck in the other persons game.
You constantly hear stories of people trying out Jiu Jitsu and how amazed they are after getting swept and submitted in a few minutes. I believe this shows the power of Jiu Jitsu and gets people to sign up in an instance.
I also agree that people shouldn't be forced to roll and can watch if they want to. People are different, some have zero experience in getting physical and might be a lot more cautious while other may have experiencing in playing some sort of physical sport like rugby and don't mind getting into it.
There are also the doubters that just want to test the system and until they live roll will not understand how little they know.
The other issue is how do you prep for a comp as a white belt if your not able to roll more often.
I think our club does it the way they do in order to keep injuries down and to have the new guys get good at fundamentals before filling their heads with other things. Which is fine. But I still believe there is a way around this, they should pair the new guys with more experienced people. All of the blue belts and up at our club are nice people. None of them are going to try and kill the new guy, but you still need to convince them that Jiu Jitsu is the shit.
Edited 6 year(s) ago
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
We have a 'beginners' course' one has to take if no previous grappling experience. On the first few classes the 'sparring' is more like games (between the attendees), but we want the students to get physical right away. In about 3-4 classes it should resemble actual positional sparring, but is still quite limited in what one can do and what is the goal. After 8 weeks full sparring with each other & more advanced students, and the right to participate to all classes.
We have a beginner/fundamentals class on Tuesdays and Thursdays. That is where all beginners get their start with us.
We have a higher retention rate than before because of it.
We have a higher retention rate than before because of it.
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
My coach will allow people to try sparring right off but he will put them with someone more experienced to give a sense of control. That being said he asks people if they want to try it. Usually they just watch sparring for the first class or two and then give it a try. It seems to work pretty well in our case, however the gym is smaller, so that may play a role.
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Just curious. At what level or how soon new students are allowed to start rolling/sparring at your club?
Day 1
One of them needs to have at least one stripe before starting in standup position.
One of them needs to have at least one stripe before starting in standup position.
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Black belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Day 1, no restrictions. Nobody should be obligated or persuaded in either direction, regardless of how experienced they are. BJJ is very much your own personal journey, but as a more experienced jiujiteiro, you should make it a goal to be able to effectively handle anybody who walks through your door.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Depending on the person I will have them positional spar with an experienced person or me. In many cases they have grappled or wrestled around with someone before coming in. Most are eager to roll. I keep a close eye on newbies for a while make them use technique and slow down or they won’t be allowed in.
Purple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I don't understand this at all...how do you expect them to have a chance in a tournament in this scenario? I know I am just a dumb white belt but I feel like that is kind of handicapping them. But I am the crazy person who signed up for 8 divisions in a tournament just after 1 month of training. lol The first jiu-jitsu academy/class I ever went to they made me watch it and didn't let me practice at all and I thought it was boring and didn't try again for 2 years until I went to an MMA gym where I did boxing then did a jiu jitsu class after because I was there already and they let me roll and spar on day 1 and was hooked. If I had not got to roll on day 1 at that gym I may have never given jiu-jitsu a chance. If I was not allowed to spar for 6 months I prob would of found jiu jitsu very boring before getting addicted to it. I am sure I got more injuries/strains my first year of training because I was at a MMA gym and did not know how to properly avoid injuries/strains etc from people trying to crank stuff and looking back I wish I was taken care of a little bit more but at the same time I wouldn't of wanted to be coddled either. Somewhere imbetween the 2 extremes would of been best which seems to be what most pure jiu-jitsu academies do anyways. Every academy has Pros and Cons including how aggressive or laid back people are and the style being used. Some places are much more beginner/fundamental focused and others have a more intermediate nogi 10th planet style and others have a very advanced 12 steps for each technique and transitions to and from and I have really never seen a perfect academy that fits all skill levels and personalities of jiu jitsu. Why I love cross training as your able to get the best from all worlds. Looking back on day 1 I think it would be a good idea to just have a blue belt or high level white belt that is good with sweeps basically do a mini private with the new person and show them how easy it is for them to be swept a 100 different ways with little to no effort and show them the importance of posture and post awareness of your arms/hands and legs/knees. Like I can sweep a new person that has never grappled before and allow them to attack me at 100% full speed with my eyes closed and not using my arms or hands and just using my legs most of the time and it's a really humbling experience and it shows someone how good jiu jitsu actually really is and makes someone really want to learn more. I think trying to show someone an armbar or Americana on day 1 Is stupid. First show someone how to have good posture and to not get swept so easily and there positional awareness IQ will greatly increase to where they can learn faster and also that they do not need to spaz out and do everything at full speed. To just relax, breathe and not to tense up and squeeze everything as tight as possible. And then maybe show them a basic guard pass from the ground like a knee slice from combat base and keep them aware of possible sweeps and having good posture. Showing them the guard pass or submissions before they understand posture and post awareness is backwards. And then during sparring if they want to spar put them with someone who is not going to try to 'win' the spar at all cost. Doesn't matter what belt rank just someone who has the maturity and is not ego driven to know not to injure or spaz out on a new person or crank submissions. Some academies almost everyone is relaxed and chill and its never an issue while some mma gyms most people spaz out and crank everything. I'm assuming at your academy from the way you worded things that most people who have been there for any period of time are not going to be spazzing out on people and hurting them. I just wouldn't let 2 brand new white belts spar full speed that don't know what they are doing without at least being watched. That is about the only restriction that makes any sense if trying to actually get people to give jiu-jitsu a chance and experience it as you need to feel how good jiu-jitsu actually is but also how fun it can be at the same time. You can also normally read someone's personality type as well. Some people need to be humbled a bit and then they either realize how amazing jiu-jitsu is and want to learn more or their ego can't take it while some others are way more laid back and passive and don't need that at all and may need just a more safe relaxed and not more then just positional sparring of the first day. I would just read each person on an individual basis based upon their personality and slightly customize your plan with them based upon your initial reaction of them.
My experience is basically the same, i'd have zero interest in watching a session or not rolling. First session, i was shown an arm triangle, kimura and a rear naked choke and then took it to town against another white belt.
Cons
It was more like a wrestling match than a BJJ match
The technique was horrible
Pros
It was fun and i don't feel there was any serious injury risk
I was immediately interested because i wanted to learn a submission from each position to work for, so i had an instant goal
I felt tired and immediately interested in how to conserve my energy better (i.e. improve my technique)
It gave me a baseline to understand why certain things would be more important than others (e.g. things you could attempt from multiple positions)
Cons
It was more like a wrestling match than a BJJ match
The technique was horrible
Pros
It was fun and i don't feel there was any serious injury risk
I was immediately interested because i wanted to learn a submission from each position to work for, so i had an instant goal
I felt tired and immediately interested in how to conserve my energy better (i.e. improve my technique)
It gave me a baseline to understand why certain things would be more important than others (e.g. things you could attempt from multiple positions)
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Depending on the person I will have them positional spar with an experienced person or me. In many cases they have grappled or wrestled around with someone before coming in. Most are eager to roll. I keep a close eye on newbies for a while make them use technique and slow down or they won’t be allowed in.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
first class. unless they dont want, pair them up with someone whos cool
especially clumsy ones i just pair up with myself...
especially clumsy ones i just pair up with myself...


