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It's time to talk about shrimping
6 year(s) ago • 31786 views • 143 replies
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
There are psychophysiological benefits to
A) standardized routine before physical activity
B) getting your HR, BP and body temp up before physical activity
Hence I do some jogging and dynamic stretching for 5-10 minutes before going into sport specifics.
I don't force anyone though - if someone wants to do their own routine in the corner OR e.g. it's the second class for them in a row that's fine.
A) standardized routine before physical activity
B) getting your HR, BP and body temp up before physical activity
Hence I do some jogging and dynamic stretching for 5-10 minutes before going into sport specifics.
I don't force anyone though - if someone wants to do their own routine in the corner OR e.g. it's the second class for them in a row that's fine.
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
There are psychophysiological benefits to A) standardized routine before physical activity B) getting your HR, BP and body temp up before physical activity Hence I do some jogging and dynamic stretching for 5-10 minutes before going into sport specifics. I don't force anyone though - if someone wants to do their own routine in the corner OR e.g. it's the second class for them in a row that's fine.
You described it perfectly. Dynamic stretching and movements are great.
A lot of places try to force you to do static stretches or compound body movements which is the worst thing you can do before jiu jitsu. You always want to do static after, or compound movements 4 hours before or anytime after.
Doing static half ass rushed stretches can increase your chance of injury or straining something and doing things like pushups and squats is just as dumb.
A lot of places try to force you to do static stretches or compound body movements which is the worst thing you can do before jiu jitsu. You always want to do static after, or compound movements 4 hours before or anytime after.
Doing static half ass rushed stretches can increase your chance of injury or straining something and doing things like pushups and squats is just as dumb.
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DBBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Here is my problem with forcing warmups...Say you have an hour long class...maybe it's 90 minOver a span of a year when you compare students and say all other things are equal to academies that allow people to come in and do their own warmup before class starts to those that are mandating the warm up...the schools that are not wasting their training time on warm ups will have gotten an extra 15 to 25% mat time actually training jiu jitsu. And on top of that they will not have wasted their energy and willpower to be able to actually focus on the techniques and goals they have set for themselves for that day in training.
I won't disagree with this statement, but I haven't seen any proof that this argument is correct either. Speaking from my own experiences, when I go long periods without doing basic mobility drills (hip escapes, inversions, etc), I tend to get a lot sloppier and my guard suffers. When I start doing them again, my guard & passing gets much stronger. I usually aim to hit the basics class every week now, or at least do the mobility drills on my own mats now because of this.
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I won't disagree with this statement, but I haven't seen any proof that this argument is correct either. Speaking from my own experiences, when I go long periods without doing basic mobility drills (hip escapes, inversions, etc), I tend to get a lot sloppier and my guard suffers. When I start doing them again, my guard & passing gets much stronger. I usually aim to hit the basics class every week now, or at least do the mobility drills on my own mats now because of this.
To me what makes my guard better is playing guard, and what makes my passing better is practicing passing. Focus on what i want to work on and train that. Even in sparring i pick things i want to work on before the spars and focus on that instead of just doing whatever feels good. I can drill things out while sparring in the spar.
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AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
To me what makes my guard better is playing guard, and what makes my passing better is practicing passing.
Word. To give an analogy, the NFL combine tests players bench press and coaches were simping over 'good' lifts. However, bench press favours people with disproportionately short arms relative to the rest of their body, whilst just about every skill in american football is easier with disproportionately longer arms. The moral of the story is that if you want people to block linebackers, do reps blocking linebackers, don't ask them to benchpress and assume that means they can block linebackers.
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SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
And congrats on the blue, Alex! No more Professor White Belt for you. :P
BNPurple beltVerified
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Don't quit!
Well he was promoted by a purple belt so IDK what shenanigans are they up to :D
BNPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Well he was promoted by a purple belt so IDK what shenanigans are they up to :D
True. All purple belts are full of shit.
AKPurple beltVerified
JMBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
C’est un incontournable des formes de corps du JJB et comme toutes formes de corps, elle a son utilité. Au club on la réalise à chaque séance et en combat également au besoin. À ne pas négliger.
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
C’est un incontournable des formes de corps du JJB et comme toutes formes de corps, elle a son utilité. Au club on la réalise à chaque séance et en combat également au besoin. À ne pas négliger.
Hey Julien, the main forum is English only :) there is a separate French forum if you prefer
VBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
forgot this
Exactly, its the way I teach it. The baby bride help create some additional space for the shimp to work effectively. Agree with you 100%
ANBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
doing shrimps across the mat is like punching countless times against a bag...
its not useless, its not the holy grail either.
i still do it once in a while to warm up, never even saw it all too much as a technical thing.
for me its more like a push up or something like that. a bjj related push up if you wanna say so lol.
i just leave this here. oss
its not useless, its not the holy grail either.
i still do it once in a while to warm up, never even saw it all too much as a technical thing.
for me its more like a push up or something like that. a bjj related push up if you wanna say so lol.
i just leave this here. oss
TMBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I cannot stop myself posting this video in this conversation. My kids made a tutorial of shrimping during the Corona lockdown. One of the sentence in the video is "..even some adults cannot shrimp properly yet.."
TMBlack beltVerified
SZBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I cannot stop myself posting this video in this conversation. My kids made a tutorial of shrimping during the Corona lockdown. One of the sentence in the video is '..even some adults cannot shrimp properly yet..'
Thanks for sharing.
WDBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I made two video's around the topic of shrimping a while ago and I talk about the relationship between the hip escape and the shrimp.
Short version
https://youtu.be/pFN4SlNaoW8
Long version
https://youtu.be/cVxp_SduSu0
My believ is that the hip escape is very important and should be trained, it is however often misunderstood and taught wrong.
It ultimately comes down to having a speed based game or a slower more controlled based game. The two are not mutually exclusive.
The hip escape as commonly taught, has moments where your posture is unstable (you can be flattened out). The reason I came up with the babybridge posture was to prevent exactly that: to prevent getting put with two shoulders on the back aka "the wrestler's last stand".
Given that the hip escape is partially unstable, it's use is more timing dependent and has to be used faster.
"Mechanically wrong doesn't mean something is wrong". Even a "wrong" punch can knock someone out if the opponent was slow or reacted in a bad way.
In the topic of hip escape vs babybridge, there is a thirth door. The truth lies always in the middle.
In my video's I show how the hipescape and babybridge combine and how I personally believe they should be taught and used.
Short version
https://youtu.be/pFN4SlNaoW8
Long version
https://youtu.be/cVxp_SduSu0
My believ is that the hip escape is very important and should be trained, it is however often misunderstood and taught wrong.
It ultimately comes down to having a speed based game or a slower more controlled based game. The two are not mutually exclusive.
The hip escape as commonly taught, has moments where your posture is unstable (you can be flattened out). The reason I came up with the babybridge posture was to prevent exactly that: to prevent getting put with two shoulders on the back aka "the wrestler's last stand".
Given that the hip escape is partially unstable, it's use is more timing dependent and has to be used faster.
"Mechanically wrong doesn't mean something is wrong". Even a "wrong" punch can knock someone out if the opponent was slow or reacted in a bad way.
In the topic of hip escape vs babybridge, there is a thirth door. The truth lies always in the middle.
In my video's I show how the hipescape and babybridge combine and how I personally believe they should be taught and used.
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Speaking of shrimping, I thought the recent(ish) Lachlan Giles vid (where he argues hip escape/shrimp is apparently poor for guard retention) was interesting. Though my guard retention remains pants (I really hate open guard), so I think almost any articulate video about guard retention is interesting. :P
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]Z57SQhS9AU
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]Z57SQhS9AU
WDBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Speaking of shrimping, I thought the recent(ish) Lachlan Giles vid (where he argues hip escape/shrimp is apparently poor for guard retention) was interesting. Though my guard retention remains pants (I really hate open guard), so I think almost any articulate video about guard retention is interesting. :P https://www.youtube.com/w[...]Z57SQhS9AU
What Lachlan states in that video, is the core of the whole topic.
AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
It ultimately comes down to having a speed based game or a slower more controlled based game. The two are not mutually exclusive.
This is what I was trying to say at the start.
Babybridge is my #1 focus at the moment.
Babybridge is my #1 focus at the moment.
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
This is what I was trying to say at the start. Babybridge is my #1 focus at the moment.
As of now I feel like shrimping is kinda more useful from escaping a well balanced mount then side control. At least against guys with more experience that are not going to let you easily overpower or roll them.
I got to where I prefer to use kind of a elbow knee sorta shrimp against really big strong guys with good posture just sorta doing a combination of techniques that include a little bit of a shrimp to either slowly work my way to 1/4 guard > 1/2 guard, lockdown etc if not much room and or shrimping a bit to get my guard back. It also uses a lot less energy.
Bridging seems to be great against weaker or only semi-experienced grapplers that may not have the best timing/reaction time or balance with pressure. Really big strong guys that also have the experience to know how to counter posture/balance and use grips/pressure especially in the GI from a mounted position can be the most annoying thing especially when they know how to threaten collar/lapel chokes and make you feel like it's almost a matter of time before the big man goes for a ninja roll.
I got to where I prefer to use kind of a elbow knee sorta shrimp against really big strong guys with good posture just sorta doing a combination of techniques that include a little bit of a shrimp to either slowly work my way to 1/4 guard > 1/2 guard, lockdown etc if not much room and or shrimping a bit to get my guard back. It also uses a lot less energy.
Bridging seems to be great against weaker or only semi-experienced grapplers that may not have the best timing/reaction time or balance with pressure. Really big strong guys that also have the experience to know how to counter posture/balance and use grips/pressure especially in the GI from a mounted position can be the most annoying thing especially when they know how to threaten collar/lapel chokes and make you feel like it's almost a matter of time before the big man goes for a ninja roll.
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SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
This is what I was trying to say at the start. Babybridge is my #1 focus at the moment.
Not sure how I've managed to miss all the classes on that at camps so far: hopefully either Wim or Priit will be showing it again at the next Heidelcamp. :)
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Oh and just so we can keep this topic going on forever here is a video of me shrimping from side control sorta saving me the match from this past weekend
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]jRij6buNyg
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]jRij6buNyg
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JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Not going to read through every post because I'm lazy. However...Alexander has a point IMO. I, personally, do NOT teach extension of the arms during a hip escape. It's usually not productive to have straight arms that are away from your head in most situations. True in BJJ, true in wrestling, true in Judo, true in {insert code here}. Head and hands should stay close. I prefer to bring by head with my hands so that I am truly in a "shrimp" position at the end. I will yell at you at my gym if you are swinging your arms in a straight motion during your hip escapes.
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Oooo, as in the Joemoplata that used to post on a bunch of forums (like NHB Gear etc, IIRC)?
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Hey Can! Yep, the same one. Sherdog forums (banned), the Undergound (banned), In the Guard forum. Miss those days. The trolling that used to go on was beautiful.
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Cool! I'm not sure we ever interacted much (I would have posted as slideyfoot, which I still use everywhere), but I can remember reading your posts. Nice to 'meet' the person behind the forum handle. ;)
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Nice to meet back up with you here online Can! I'm sure most of my posts were me ranting about something. I will do my best to do the same here.
JDBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
So you don't think there are any black belts who just baby bridge and don't shrimp to escape? None at all...
I do lol. It’s part of my bottom game!! Love setting up fake escapes into Omaplatas... I’m just a dumb new guy trying weird stuff
