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TRT for older grapplers
6 year(s) ago • 18414 views • 140 replies
HBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Starting TRT therapy through a doctor next week, approved for 100mg per week injectible for 8 weeks then revisit bloodwork for modification. Found a good company online who does blood testing kits, virtual doctor visits, etc and excited to start up. Been doing this since '98, broken as fuck, and been feeling it lately with mood/belly fat/etc.
Anyone have experience with this and any thoughts? I have a few friends who are amazed at results they've had, and feel like they are back in their 20's with mood/drive/fat loss/etc.
Anyone have experience with this and any thoughts? I have a few friends who are amazed at results they've had, and feel like they are back in their 20's with mood/drive/fat loss/etc.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Two kids under 3 mess up your sleep. TRT or not - try the best to get your sleep in order. Prioritising sleep has been super important for my productivity/emotional state.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Easier said than done! Haha!
I know. For us (me and my wife) it took a hard conversation to face the fact that no, there is just NOT going to be ANY "quiet" or "me-time" after the kids have gone to bed because that'll just leave us sleep deprived. So we basically went to bed the same time the kids did for about 2 years and still often do.
JABlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I've noticed as I've gotten older when I train 4-5 days a week, I'm exhausted all the time and have depletion in all other testosterone areas. I've been tested saying I'm low but my Dr. seems to not want to do TRT.
After my knee surgery last November I've only been training 2-3 days a week and trying to stay more inside "listening to my body" :D
After my knee surgery last November I've only been training 2-3 days a week and trying to stay more inside "listening to my body" :D
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Read the book “Why we sleep”. Maybe one of the most important books I’ve ever read for my health and energy levels. It should be mandatory in schools, so much important knowledge I wish I’d known 25 years earlier.
BMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I'm coming up on 40 here in a couple months, but I can't say enough about resistance training both for maintaining healthy T levels as well as injury prevention, at least in my experience. If you're not lifting weights on a regular basis, you should be. But then again I don't have kids so I rarely have a bad night's sleep. :).
HSBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I started about 6 months ago with the under skin pellets. The first dose helped, but wasn't high enough so this round they did more. It is definitely noticeable and I am glad I started.
I am 37 but have a beat up body from football, wrestling, and being 300+lbs.
The crap part is insurance won't cover injections or shots so I pay out of pocket. It is still worth it.
I am 37 but have a beat up body from football, wrestling, and being 300+lbs.
The crap part is insurance won't cover injections or shots so I pay out of pocket. It is still worth it.
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Bro, I’m 40 and I’ve been thinking about this as well. My mood has been garbage and energy levels are non-existent the last few years; could it be having two kids under 3? Maybe. But I suspect I’m getting older and my hormone levels are declining rapidly. Called a local doctor here to schedule a consult and was told they aren’t accepting any new patients. Lost all motivation to try and find another doctor (see, I’m sure Im a candidate! Haha!). Please post updates on your progress.
How is your sleep and diet?
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
When you get up for work at 430 am then you need to be in bed very latest at 9 pm! There's just no way around it.
Also the similar schedule needs to be kept over the weekends (at least going to bed time wise).
Or you could accept that the current lifestyle, be it consciously chosen or seemingly forced is actively diminishing your potential vitality, longetivity and everyday quality of life because your emotional regulation is not going to be optimal on the schedule...
...and then start to plan how and when to escape that.
I don't assume to know anything about you or your wife or the circumstances you are in so I'm just using you posts as input for a hyperbolical example: "Wanting to wind down." seems a rather small thing compared to long term things I mentioned (physical and mental health). So it needs to be addressed. Maybe there's an underlying anxiety issue? Maybe there's insufficient knowledge about sleep, habit change etc.
TRT is not going to save you if lifestyle is suboptimal just as diabetes meds aren't going to save a sedentary overweight person with diabetes 2.
Also if you engage in BJJ - lack of sleep probably contributes to increased risk on injury.
P.S. Matthew Walkers Why We Sleep goes into probably unnecessary and unwarranted fearmongering. But the cause is good.
Also the similar schedule needs to be kept over the weekends (at least going to bed time wise).
Or you could accept that the current lifestyle, be it consciously chosen or seemingly forced is actively diminishing your potential vitality, longetivity and everyday quality of life because your emotional regulation is not going to be optimal on the schedule...
...and then start to plan how and when to escape that.
I don't assume to know anything about you or your wife or the circumstances you are in so I'm just using you posts as input for a hyperbolical example: "Wanting to wind down." seems a rather small thing compared to long term things I mentioned (physical and mental health). So it needs to be addressed. Maybe there's an underlying anxiety issue? Maybe there's insufficient knowledge about sleep, habit change etc.
TRT is not going to save you if lifestyle is suboptimal just as diabetes meds aren't going to save a sedentary overweight person with diabetes 2.
Also if you engage in BJJ - lack of sleep probably contributes to increased risk on injury.
P.S. Matthew Walkers Why We Sleep goes into probably unnecessary and unwarranted fearmongering. But the cause is good.
SZBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I started about 6 months ago with the under skin pellets. The first dose helped, but wasn't high enough so this round they did more. It is definitely noticeable and I am glad I started. I am 37 but have a beat up body from football, wrestling, and being 300+lbs. The crap part is insurance won't cover injections or shots so I pay out of pocket. It is still worth it.
I know a few people (male and female) that are using the pellets and are very happy with the results. I'm even considering it myself. I'll be 49 in a couple months.
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HSBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I know a few people (male and female) that are using the pellets and are very happy with the results. I'm even considering it myself. I'll be 49 in a couple months.
I like them so far. I like not having to get weekly shots, and because my insurance won't cover the treatment it is actually cheaper to do the pellets.
The procedure is a little uncomfortable and you can be sore for awhile after. My first implant the incision site didnt heal right because one of the pellets moved back into it. Eventually in ejected the pellet and it healed fine. The implanted 10 pellets the first time. My levels were still low but came up about 200 points. This time the implanted 12 pellets and have me taking a small dose estrogen blocker 1 time a week to help boost numbers. This time I can tell more of a difference.
Round 1 helped but round 2 is getting me closer to what I should be. The first few implants are trial and error to find the right dose.
The second implant my doctor embedded the pellets a little deeper and I had not incision issues or healing issue like I did the first time. The site was sore for a few extra days though. It is worth it though 100% if you have the low T symptoms.
The procedure is a little uncomfortable and you can be sore for awhile after. My first implant the incision site didnt heal right because one of the pellets moved back into it. Eventually in ejected the pellet and it healed fine. The implanted 10 pellets the first time. My levels were still low but came up about 200 points. This time the implanted 12 pellets and have me taking a small dose estrogen blocker 1 time a week to help boost numbers. This time I can tell more of a difference.
Round 1 helped but round 2 is getting me closer to what I should be. The first few implants are trial and error to find the right dose.
The second implant my doctor embedded the pellets a little deeper and I had not incision issues or healing issue like I did the first time. The site was sore for a few extra days though. It is worth it though 100% if you have the low T symptoms.
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Is it just me or is this TRT thing more of an American thing? I have never heard of any of my friends in Europe ever talk about it, but many Americans are getting steroids from their doctors it seems :D
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
P.S. Matthew Walkers Why We Sleep goes into probably unnecessary and unwarranted fearmongering. But the cause is good.
I agree, it does get a bit extreme at times.
HSBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Is it just me or is this TRT thing more of an American thing? I have never heard of any of my friends in Europe ever talk about it, but many Americans are getting steroids from their doctors it seems :D
I think it is an American thing to some degree. In general alot of people don't take care of themselves as well as they should, myself included.
Some people here are using it as a pick me up or an edge as they get older to boost there systems.
I personally have true low T and it is a diagnosed problem that is being treated by a real doctor, not some shot clinic for guys looking for a pick me up.
Some people here are using it as a pick me up or an edge as they get older to boost there systems.
I personally have true low T and it is a diagnosed problem that is being treated by a real doctor, not some shot clinic for guys looking for a pick me up.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Is it just me or is this TRT thing more of an American thing? I have never heard of any of my friends in Europe ever talk about it, but many Americans are getting steroids from their doctors it seems :D
You can get it in Europe as well (through national health insurance in most places btw), doctors just are more (maybe too much who knows) meticulous and strict with diagnosis/administration criteria. I had a very thorough blood work done a few years ago suspecting low T but that was not the case so TRT was not prescribed.
ALBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I'm 50 and have had all the signs/symtoms of low T for several years now....
Got tested last year and was just below the middle of the "normal" range, so turns out that's not the problem.
Sleep is probably a big factor for me - I'm broken everywhere with a chronic back issue/permanent injury that interferes with me getting much over 5-6 hours of sleep EVER.
Mike, hopefully it helps you out!
Got tested last year and was just below the middle of the "normal" range, so turns out that's not the problem.
Sleep is probably a big factor for me - I'm broken everywhere with a chronic back issue/permanent injury that interferes with me getting much over 5-6 hours of sleep EVER.
Mike, hopefully it helps you out!
CBBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I'm 45 and started BJJ at 40. Before I started training regularly, I was tired all the time and about 20 Kilos overweight. I literally had to take a quick nap anytime we went grocery shopping and I felt like I was 80 years old. After getting some dieting advice from a friend of mine who's educated in that area and learning how to not only prioritize my sleep, but also how to improve the quality of my sleep, it's done wonders.
AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I managed to increase my testosterone naturally with a lot of lifestyle changes (i.e. no TRT) and i have the tests to prove it. I strongly recommend "Estrogeneration" by Anthony G. Jay which is where I got all the ideas from. The problem with TRT is that once you're on it, you're dependant on it. I'd also recommend reading "A population-level decline in serum testosterone levels in American men" Travison, Araujo O’Donnell et al and "Age Trends in the Level of Serum Testosterone and Other Hormones in Middle-Aged Men" Feldman, Longcope et al.
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AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Is it just me or is this TRT thing more of an American thing? I have never heard of any of my friends in Europe ever talk about it, but many Americans are getting steroids from their doctors it seems :D
Blame Joe fucking Rogan
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
All of our food and medicine is designed to poison us. They do not want to pay out social security.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
All of our food and medicine is designed to poison us. They do not want to pay out social security.
Wait what? Should I ... Look into it?
JJBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Wait what? Should I ... Look into it?
Slowly I am sure Europe's food supply and the way they handle medicine will become that of the United States for profit and not for health.
Here if you have scurvy a lack of vitamin c, it is illegal to prescribe a natural cure...like an orange. They have to give you a vitamin c packet.
We have cures for many things...But that is not profitable. If a treatment exist that can give you a pill everyday for the rest of your life then a cure must exist as that treatment would not be possible without a cure being broken down and reverse engineered for the treatment.
Before any medicine can be sold in general they must first figure out the cure for something and then they brake down the cure into ways that they can just treat you instead of actually curing you. As a cure is only a one time payment while treatment is forever and the actual cures are never released. Although most things can be treated with just eating healthy food and living a healthy lifestyle. Almost every drug is also actually designed to cause a different problem that will need a new drug. This is not on accident they are actually designed this way on purpose by companies that make the other medicine to also treat that complication you have to your current "medicine".
While I don't smoke the real reason why marijuana was made illegal is because it was found to be able to make a few products cheaper then other sources that some wealthy people had huge investments in the competing products bribed politicians for it to be made illegal on false pretenses.
This goes for almost every reusable product. Take gas in your car for example. We have had the technology to have cars run on stuff as cheap as water basically for half a century yet that would not be profitable.
Here if you have scurvy a lack of vitamin c, it is illegal to prescribe a natural cure...like an orange. They have to give you a vitamin c packet.
We have cures for many things...But that is not profitable. If a treatment exist that can give you a pill everyday for the rest of your life then a cure must exist as that treatment would not be possible without a cure being broken down and reverse engineered for the treatment.
Before any medicine can be sold in general they must first figure out the cure for something and then they brake down the cure into ways that they can just treat you instead of actually curing you. As a cure is only a one time payment while treatment is forever and the actual cures are never released. Although most things can be treated with just eating healthy food and living a healthy lifestyle. Almost every drug is also actually designed to cause a different problem that will need a new drug. This is not on accident they are actually designed this way on purpose by companies that make the other medicine to also treat that complication you have to your current "medicine".
While I don't smoke the real reason why marijuana was made illegal is because it was found to be able to make a few products cheaper then other sources that some wealthy people had huge investments in the competing products bribed politicians for it to be made illegal on false pretenses.
This goes for almost every reusable product. Take gas in your car for example. We have had the technology to have cars run on stuff as cheap as water basically for half a century yet that would not be profitable.
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JEWhite beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Do you use TRT because your testosteron levels are lower than when you were 20 years or actually to low for your age?
A year and a half ago at 41 years old my t-level was 16,9 nmol/l , which is about 487 ng/dl I think.
These values aren't muscle growing awesome, but are good enough for my age.
I have friends that used steroids and now have half my values. One of them is on TRT, but not too happy about it.
I would really only use TRT if you have really low levels for your age and actual symptoms that effect your life, but that is just me.
If your levels are healthy for your age, you are really just on a continous testosteron cycle with all the side effects that comes with.
This thread is a good reminder to get my bloodwork done again :)
A year and a half ago at 41 years old my t-level was 16,9 nmol/l , which is about 487 ng/dl I think.
These values aren't muscle growing awesome, but are good enough for my age.
I have friends that used steroids and now have half my values. One of them is on TRT, but not too happy about it.
I would really only use TRT if you have really low levels for your age and actual symptoms that effect your life, but that is just me.
If your levels are healthy for your age, you are really just on a continous testosteron cycle with all the side effects that comes with.
This thread is a good reminder to get my bloodwork done again :)
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HSBrown beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Do you use TRT because your testosteron levels are lower than when you were 20 years or actually to low for your age? A year and a half ago at 41 years old my t-level was 16,9 nmol/l , which is about 487 ng/dl I think. These values aren't muscle growing awesome, but are good enough for my age. I have friends that used steroids and now have half my values. One of them is on TRT, but not too happy about it. I would really only use TRT if you have really low levels for your age and actual symptoms that effect your life, but that is just me. If your levels are healthy for your age, you are really just on a continous testosteron cycle with all the side effects that comes with. This thread is a good reminder to get my bloodwork done again :)
I agree with you. If your levels are ok you shouldn't mess with the stuff to try and get an edge. I personally had most of the symptoms and my levels were sub-250 at 37 and my levels have been low for a long time.
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Unpopular (?) opinion; TRT is just an excuse to take steroids in an “acceptable” way.
Change my mind.
Change my mind.
AKPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Unpopular (?) opinion; TRT is just an excuse to take steroids in an “acceptable” way. Change my mind.
I referenced some studies earlier. What I would say is that a "normal" western life has led to male testosterone levels plummeting for a long time. In fact they've had to redefine "normal range" multiple times because few of us would be normal range compared to 80 years ago. I would say that if you want to have decent testosterone levels then you either hope you have the genetic jackpot or you start to live a quite unconventional lifestyle that won't fit around certain jobs well (e.g. shift work).
It's more like an external force that you need to deal with. TRT is the easiest option and has it's pros and cons, but I wouldn't judge everyone who didn't go to the lengths I go to.
It's more like an external force that you need to deal with. TRT is the easiest option and has it's pros and cons, but I wouldn't judge everyone who didn't go to the lengths I go to.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Unpopular (?) opinion; TRT is just an excuse to take steroids in an “acceptable” way. Change my mind.
No need to change your mind because that is LITERALLY what it is - taking steroids as an acceptable way - warranted prescribed medication to improve longetivity / health / quality of life.
BBBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
TRT probably won’t help with the normal joint/cartilage/tendon aging process. I don’t know if that’s a proper justification. I don’t know if any research that shows testosterone can reverse cartilage/ tendon damage. If someone has information on that I’d like to read it.
BNPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Diet is pretty clean. I stay about 1600-2200 calories a day, 50/30/20 macros. Don’t drink anymore and very limited sugar.
That's not a lot of food. I'm not surprised you've no energy, especially is training multiple times per week. Under eating will also affect hormones
BNPurple beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Here if you have scurvy a lack of vitamin c, it is illegal to prescribe a natural cure...like an orange.
Well that's not true at all.
Doctors routinely given dietary advice. Eat more X, Eat less Y.
The reason that don't prescribe an orange, is because it's not a controlled drug and doesn't require a prescription. They just tell you to eat an orange.
The rest of your post is full of similar nonsense.
Doctors routinely given dietary advice. Eat more X, Eat less Y.
The reason that don't prescribe an orange, is because it's not a controlled drug and doesn't require a prescription. They just tell you to eat an orange.
The rest of your post is full of similar nonsense.
