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Visualization and mental rehearsal for Jiu-jitsu or your grappling disciplines
5 year(s) ago • 2212 views • 40 replies
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Who among us incorporates it?
How often?
What is your technique...how do you go about it?
Do you benefit from this type of training or think it is not effective for you?
Specifically, I am talking about seeing the moves in your mind in as much detail as one can manage.
I am not talking about seeing oneself winning the Gold medal or some other endeavor. This is a different kind of visualization, which I believe is also very effective, but not what I mean.
How often?
What is your technique...how do you go about it?
Do you benefit from this type of training or think it is not effective for you?
Specifically, I am talking about seeing the moves in your mind in as much detail as one can manage.
I am not talking about seeing oneself winning the Gold medal or some other endeavor. This is a different kind of visualization, which I believe is also very effective, but not what I mean.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I will often visualise technique a lot before I teach it in class, especially on the way to class. But yeah, not much apart from that: I'd rather do it. Though it's definitely a useful training tool, particularly when you don't have access to training (which would be the case for most of us for at least some of this year, I'd assume).
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I will often visualise technique a lot before I teach it in class, especially on the way to class. But yeah, not much apart from that: I'd rather do it. Though it's definitely a useful training tool, particularly when you don't have access to training (which would be the case for most of us for at least some of this year, I'd assume).
I would rather do it too and I do, but there are days when I am in a Jiu-jitsu desert. I do shift work. I also went for a very long time not having ANY partners. I just watched, re-watched, and visualized, and did some drills that can be accomplished without a partner.
If I were teaching in a class setting, I would most likely do as you do. Do you see yourself doing the move? Do you see in 1st person or 3rd person, or some other way? Are you visualizing your teaching/instruction, or just the act of the technique?
If I were teaching in a class setting, I would most likely do as you do. Do you see yourself doing the move? Do you see in 1st person or 3rd person, or some other way? Are you visualizing your teaching/instruction, or just the act of the technique?
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Do you see yourself doing the move? Do you see in 1st person or 3rd person, or some other way? Are you visualizing your teaching/instruction, or just the act of the technique?
Yep, I visualise myself doing it first person, both doing the technique and also how I'd teach the technique. Anybody that knows me will have heard me talk about how much I love planning, because I'm super German about it. I like to plan to the nth degree, so all the timings, plus specific phrases I want to use when explaining. YAY PLAN! :D :D :D
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I do this often, mostly as a comp prep tool.
How to initiate the first attack, simple grip fighting exchanges, different options to finishing a single leg, transitioning straight to a pass after a takedown etc... Also mentally preparing to react to most common scenarios that happens on the comp mat. Always get pumped up when I start to think about it. :D Not imagining me winning or stuff like that, just mentally drilling (aggressive) attacking & reacting.
If I try to mentally visualize a more complex move sequence, I easily get lost and it doesn't translate so well to actual training.
How to initiate the first attack, simple grip fighting exchanges, different options to finishing a single leg, transitioning straight to a pass after a takedown etc... Also mentally preparing to react to most common scenarios that happens on the comp mat. Always get pumped up when I start to think about it. :D Not imagining me winning or stuff like that, just mentally drilling (aggressive) attacking & reacting.
If I try to mentally visualize a more complex move sequence, I easily get lost and it doesn't translate so well to actual training.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've always replayed tough rolls in my head trying to fix what went wrong or at least identify why. Found it tremendously useful. I'd do this on the bus ride or drive back home (be careful when doing this), in the shower after class etc.
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Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
in the shower after class
This is different than sobbing in the shower in fetal position after tough rolls?
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
This is different than sobbing in the shower in fetal position after tough rolls?
Hahahah, ummm ... no comment.
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've always replayed tough rolls in my head trying to fix what went wrong or at least identify why. Found it tremendously useful. I'd do this on the bus ride or drive back home (be careful when doing this), in the shower after class etc.
Do you mean to be careful so as not to dwell on the negative too much? Or, more about diverting your attention away from a more important task, such as driving home?
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yep, I visualise myself doing it first person, both doing the technique and also how I'd teach the technique. Anybody that knows me will have heard me talk about how much I love planning, because I'm super German about it. I like to plan to the nth degree, so all the timings, plus specific phrases I want to use when explaining. YAY PLAN! :D :D :D
Thanks!
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Do you mean to be careful so as not to dwell on the negative too much? Or, more about diverting your attention away from a more important task, such as driving home?
I mean when driving and not paying attention to the road as you're mimicking a grip change instead of holding on to the wheel.
You're supposed to dwell on the negative in the sense of what you've done wrong, not in the sense of emotions etc.
You're supposed to dwell on the negative in the sense of what you've done wrong, not in the sense of emotions etc.
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I do this often, mostly as a comp prep tool. How to initiate the first attack, simple grip fighting exchanges, different options to finishing a single leg, transitioning straight to a pass after a takedown etc... Also mentally preparing to react to most common scenarios that happens on the comp mat. Always get pumped up when I start to think about it. :D Not imagining me winning or stuff like that, just mentally drilling (aggressive) attacking & reacting. If I try to mentally visualize a more complex move sequence, I easily get lost and it doesn't translate so well to actual training.
I can visualize how it would be a benefit prior to competition. I compete in other disciplines such as shooting sports. I do not compete in Jiu-jitsu. I currently use visualization to learn a method or a sequence. Thank you for the insight!
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I mean when driving and not paying attention to the road as you're mimicking a grip change instead of holding on to the wheel. You're supposed to dwell on the negative in the sense of what you've done wrong, not in the sense of emotions etc.
Thank you for helping me clarify!
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
This is different than sobbing in the shower in fetal position after tough rolls?
I count that as my post rolling stretching...
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I only do it while preparing for class now. I used to do this more often when planning my rolls and after rolling or drilling.
Haven't really thought about it anymore. I brain dump more now after training. I don't even think about it.
Haven't really thought about it anymore. I brain dump more now after training. I don't even think about it.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Differentiate between visualisation for
motor skill learning
and
emotional / cognitive regulation.
Then look up fro best practices depending on your goal.
Sincerely yours,
Jorgen
a-soon-to-be-licenced-sport-psychologist
motor skill learning
and
emotional / cognitive regulation.
Then look up fro best practices depending on your goal.
Sincerely yours,
Jorgen
a-soon-to-be-licenced-sport-psychologist
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Differentiate between visualisation for motor skill learning and emotional / cognitive regulation. Then look up fro best practices depending on your goal. Sincerely yours, Jorgen a-soon-to-be-licenced-sport-psychologist
So you are saying this, "This is different than sobbing in the shower in fetal position after tough rolls?" is not an option? LOL!
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
a-soon-to-be-licenced-sport-psychologist
So yeah, THAT definitely needs a thread in future. Sounds interesting! :D
You're already a qualified psychologist right, or something else? As I think we've discussed before, people get confused about the specific distinctions between the roles of therapist, psychologist, psychiatrist, counsellor, psychiatric nurse, etc (I definitely do). :)
You're already a qualified psychologist right, or something else? As I think we've discussed before, people get confused about the specific distinctions between the roles of therapist, psychologist, psychiatrist, counsellor, psychiatric nurse, etc (I definitely do). :)
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Ok Jorgen:
So Rickson was at a Police station being interviewed.. The radio was playing Mexican music in the background. Someone turned it off during the interview with Rickson.
Rickson said, "You better put the music back on or I'll kill you all!"
They put the mexican music back on and all the cops started doing the mexican hat dance.
What the hell does that mean?
BTW I actually had this dream and woke up cry laughing!
So Rickson was at a Police station being interviewed.. The radio was playing Mexican music in the background. Someone turned it off during the interview with Rickson.
Rickson said, "You better put the music back on or I'll kill you all!"
They put the mexican music back on and all the cops started doing the mexican hat dance.
What the hell does that mean?
BTW I actually had this dream and woke up cry laughing!

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Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Differentiate between visualisation for motor skill learning and emotional / cognitive regulation. Then look up fro best practices depending on your goal. Sincerely yours, Jorgen a-soon-to-be-licenced-sport-psychologist
Motor Skill. Most definitely a motor skill/s. However, I am open to learning techniques, or I should say learning the techniques others use in all areas. I am fascinated by how well it works for me, in so far as translating to motor skills. It crosses over into many facets of my life, work, sport, play, etc.
I am aware of how athletes use it to help them control negative thoughts or anxieties from their projected outcomes. I do not suffer from this, in so far as an expectation of outcome in performance. Perhaps I would on some levels.
Another thing, I know how and how it works for me. Replying specifically to this part of your quote "Then look up fro best practices depending on your goal." I know how to practice.
My post was asking: who in this forum uses, practices, and could share their techniques.
I am aware of how athletes use it to help them control negative thoughts or anxieties from their projected outcomes. I do not suffer from this, in so far as an expectation of outcome in performance. Perhaps I would on some levels.
Another thing, I know how and how it works for me. Replying specifically to this part of your quote "Then look up fro best practices depending on your goal." I know how to practice.
My post was asking: who in this forum uses, practices, and could share their techniques.
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Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I only do it while preparing for class now. I used to do this more often when planning my rolls and after rolling or drilling. Haven't really thought about it anymore. I brain dump more now after training. I don't even think about it.
Is your profession is teaching Jiu-jitsu? Do you possess another occupation? I do think about my rolls after, but it is in a detached way.
Soooo....obviously, you have WAY more reps than me! I don't even need to tell you that. It is given, but it applies to my point. I am getting more reps for myself quicker by visualizing. My brain fools my body vice versa into thinking that I am doing the move repetitiously. I study a move, I do a move in class with the instructor's supervision (sometimes), I review or study the move on video after class, (that day or the day after) I visualize. In the next few days, I visualize the move/s until I can get back to class or drill with partners. We hardly ever go back to that same move in class. It may be weeks or a month or more before we get to it again. This might pertain anecdotally, I pick it up fairly quickly using the methods mentioned.
Soooo....obviously, you have WAY more reps than me! I don't even need to tell you that. It is given, but it applies to my point. I am getting more reps for myself quicker by visualizing. My brain fools my body vice versa into thinking that I am doing the move repetitiously. I study a move, I do a move in class with the instructor's supervision (sometimes), I review or study the move on video after class, (that day or the day after) I visualize. In the next few days, I visualize the move/s until I can get back to class or drill with partners. We hardly ever go back to that same move in class. It may be weeks or a month or more before we get to it again. This might pertain anecdotally, I pick it up fairly quickly using the methods mentioned.
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Is your profession is teaching Jiu-jitsu? Do you possess another occupation? I do think about my rolls after, but it is in a detached way. Soooo....obviously, you have WAY more reps than me! I don't even need to tell you that. It is given, but it applies to my point. I am getting more reps for myself quicker by visualizing. My brain fools my body vice versa into thinking that I am doing the move repetitiously. I study a move, I do a move in class with the instructor's supervision (sometimes), I review or study the move on video after class, (that day or the day after) I visualize. In the next few days, I visualize the move/s until I can get back to class or drill with partners. We hardly ever go back to that same move in class. It may be weeks or a month or more before we get to it again. This might pertain anecdotally, I pick it up fairly quickly using the methods mentioned.
I am full time manager/construction worker. BJJ while a passion, is really a side gig for me. Always has been.
I find focus/positional sparring works best after drilling technique. This way when it fails you start right back in the same position and continue to repeat until you iron out any errors in execution. Then try and hit it while rolling with your partners. Stay true to your plan of getting to the desired position and keep trying until you hit it. May take a long time but it works.
I find focus/positional sparring works best after drilling technique. This way when it fails you start right back in the same position and continue to repeat until you iron out any errors in execution. Then try and hit it while rolling with your partners. Stay true to your plan of getting to the desired position and keep trying until you hit it. May take a long time but it works.
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I am full time manager/construction worker. BJJ while a passion, is really a side gig for me. Always has been. I find focus/positional sparring works best after drilling technique. This way when it fails you start right back in the same position and continue to repeat until you iron out any errors in execution. Then try and hit it while rolling with your partners. Stay true to your plan of getting to the desired position and keep trying until you hit it. May take a long time but it works.
I believe you, in regard to focus/positional sparring!
My sparring, when I can get it, is almost exclusively situational, or focused. I follow the GU curriculum. The rapid mastery component is just that, positional focus spar until failure with a strong acting opponent, a technical opponent, and If the technique is not sporty, a striking opponent. After that, it may be a more generalized situation or focus. I am sure you are aware. I won't bore with details.
The visualization part is a supplement. I am a firefighter. I am in a Jiu-jitsu desert 48 hours at a time.
My sparring, when I can get it, is almost exclusively situational, or focused. I follow the GU curriculum. The rapid mastery component is just that, positional focus spar until failure with a strong acting opponent, a technical opponent, and If the technique is not sporty, a striking opponent. After that, it may be a more generalized situation or focus. I am sure you are aware. I won't bore with details.
The visualization part is a supplement. I am a firefighter. I am in a Jiu-jitsu desert 48 hours at a time.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
We hardly ever go back to that same move in class. It may be weeks or a month or more before we get to it again.
This sounds like a problem.
Can you get early to a class to drill with a buddy, or stay after?
Or get somebody on some kind of a suitable surface somewhere else to practice the moves until you got em.
Can you get early to a class to drill with a buddy, or stay after?
Or get somebody on some kind of a suitable surface somewhere else to practice the moves until you got em.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
This sounds like a problem. Can you get early to a class to drill with a buddy, or stay after? Or get somebody on some kind of a suitable surface somewhere else to practice the moves until you got em.
Regular open mat + dedicated training partner makes a MASSIVE difference to your progress. Especially purple and up.
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
This sounds like a problem. Can you get early to a class to drill with a buddy, or stay after? Or get somebody on some kind of a suitable surface somewhere else to practice the moves until you got em.
Ah, well reading my quote, it would seem like that would sound like the instruction is the problem. It is actually because I don't get to class on a consistent schedule. Not their fault. My fault. I can get in 2 times a week with my work schedule and sometimes I hit it at open mat times.
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Regular open mat + dedicated training partner makes a MASSIVE difference to your progress. Especially purple and up.
I had just one for a long time. My poor wife. Ha Ha! I am blessed that she put up with me, and now I have two really solid adult males, and another intermittent. I just got into a weekend group (when I have the weekend off) that they are all more advanced than me. They have all contributed.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
It is actually because I don't get to class on a consistent schedule. Not their fault. My fault.
ONLY WHEN CLASSES BUILD UPON THE LESSONS OF PREVIOUS CLASSES IN A CONTINUOUS LINE OF PROGRESS CAN YOU BUILD TOWARDS YOUR LONG TERM GOALS IN THE SPORT
From a recent Danaher post... :D but I find this very truthful. If you cannot get in class often enough to follow the "line", you need to probably work in some aux training yourself to supplement it. And if every class is just a random techniques (either by design or by your attendance intervals), it makes learning unnecessarily difficult in the long run.
From a recent Danaher post... :D but I find this very truthful. If you cannot get in class often enough to follow the "line", you need to probably work in some aux training yourself to supplement it. And if every class is just a random techniques (either by design or by your attendance intervals), it makes learning unnecessarily difficult in the long run.
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
ONLY WHEN CLASSES BUILD UPON THE LESSONS OF PREVIOUS CLASSES IN A CONTINUOUS LINE OF PROGRESS CAN YOU BUILD TOWARDS YOUR LONG TERM GOALS IN THE SPORT From a recent Danaher post... :D but I find this very truthful. If you cannot get in class often enough to follow the 'line', you need to probably work in some aux training yourself to supplement it. And if every class is just a random techniques (either by design or by your attendance intervals), it makes learning unnecessarily difficult in the long run.
I agree. I also know this from experience in training as well as being trained in other areas...life experience. I am becoming experienced regarding Jiujitsu as well. I use Gracie University. It is a linear learning progression. My partners and I incorporate this method of training. This is where my consistency is. The BJJ place is less consistent and I use it mainly as a gauge.
I was interested in finding out who uses visualization of techniques, before the training, and after physical training. Does it work for them, if used? What are some of their practices, ie: do they see themselves or some other? Do they visualize in 1st or 3rd person, or some combination, etc?
Thank you for your response!
I was interested in finding out who uses visualization of techniques, before the training, and after physical training. Does it work for them, if used? What are some of their practices, ie: do they see themselves or some other? Do they visualize in 1st or 3rd person, or some combination, etc?
Thank you for your response!
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
My original question was: VISUALIZATION AND MENTAL REHEARSAL FOR JIU-JITSU OR YOUR GRAPPLING DISCIPLINES; Who among us incorporates it?
How often?
What is your technique...how do YOU go about it?
Do you benefit from this type of training or think it is not effective for you?
I should have specified. I already know how to visualize and use it to enhance my training. I got many good responses in regard to in-the-gym and on-the-mat training and sparring time, etc. That is not what I am looking for. Someone suggested: go look it up. HaHA! I did! A long time ago. I use it! I am looking for others who use it to enhance their training. If a person does use it...reference my questions above. Please, and thank you!
I don't compete in BJJ. It is not my thing. I probably never will. I compete in other areas, such as shooting disciplines, mainly because I cannot shoot that way unless it is in the confines of an organized competition, ie: multi-gun, action shooting, etc. The pro competition shooter takes visualization to very high levels. I guess mainly because, in shooting sports, visualizing is a key component, ie: seeing the sights and seeing the target. Perhaps, being that it is Jiu-jitsu, the feeling (not emotion, the actual sense of touch)of Jiu-jitsu is a larger key and visualization less so. My point is, in regard to competition, I am not visualizing for better performance or emotional stability however, I see the monumental benefit for visualization of calmness and breathing under the duress of competition and other similar stressors.
Thank you all for your responses.
How often?
What is your technique...how do YOU go about it?
Do you benefit from this type of training or think it is not effective for you?
I should have specified. I already know how to visualize and use it to enhance my training. I got many good responses in regard to in-the-gym and on-the-mat training and sparring time, etc. That is not what I am looking for. Someone suggested: go look it up. HaHA! I did! A long time ago. I use it! I am looking for others who use it to enhance their training. If a person does use it...reference my questions above. Please, and thank you!
I don't compete in BJJ. It is not my thing. I probably never will. I compete in other areas, such as shooting disciplines, mainly because I cannot shoot that way unless it is in the confines of an organized competition, ie: multi-gun, action shooting, etc. The pro competition shooter takes visualization to very high levels. I guess mainly because, in shooting sports, visualizing is a key component, ie: seeing the sights and seeing the target. Perhaps, being that it is Jiu-jitsu, the feeling (not emotion, the actual sense of touch)of Jiu-jitsu is a larger key and visualization less so. My point is, in regard to competition, I am not visualizing for better performance or emotional stability however, I see the monumental benefit for visualization of calmness and breathing under the duress of competition and other similar stressors.
Thank you all for your responses.


