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Back to the Lockdown
5 year(s) ago • 3661 views • 98 replies
ADPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Hey Guys, Germany is Back to a Lockdown light.
Kind of boring know and its getting colder.
First Lockdown was ok, I was motivated but now. It feels like, getting the bluebelt and suddenly quit BJJ.
Do you guys have the same motivation problem as I am or do you still watch instructionals and train with a grappling Dummi?
In Spring, at the first Lockdown, a friend and I bought some Judomats and we drilled a lot Outside. But it is to cold now.
Kind of boring know and its getting colder.
First Lockdown was ok, I was motivated but now. It feels like, getting the bluebelt and suddenly quit BJJ.
Do you guys have the same motivation problem as I am or do you still watch instructionals and train with a grappling Dummi?
In Spring, at the first Lockdown, a friend and I bought some Judomats and we drilled a lot Outside. But it is to cold now.
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SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Same in England, a new lockdown started yesterday (it's different in Wales, Scotland and NI, each country in the UK has their own approach). Personally I'm more motivated this time, but that's from the perspective of a school owner and instructor. It feels like I can take what I learned from the first lockdown and apply it now, so I'm optimistic it will make my online offering even better.
We'll see if I'm equally optimistic should the lockdown last longer than expected (it is due to go until 2nd December in England, but I'm not confident it will actually end then).
We'll see if I'm equally optimistic should the lockdown last longer than expected (it is due to go until 2nd December in England, but I'm not confident it will actually end then).
BJBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Case count is really bad in the USA and Illinois is not doing well. Worried there will be another stay-at-home order soon. I don't know what my gym's finances look like but I really hope we can survive another lockdown.
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Case count is really bad in the USA and Illinois is not doing well. Worried there will be another stay-at-home order soon. I don't know what my gym's finances look like but I really hope we can survive another lockdown.
Your gym is GB though, right? I was under the impression the GB online offering was pretty good. Although yeah, I guess that's from head office, so might not filter down sufficiently to keep smaller affiliates afloat.
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Do you guys have the same motivation problem as I am or do you still watch instructionals and train with a grappling Dummi? In Spring, at the first Lockdown, a friend and I bought some Judomats and we drilled a lot Outside. But it is to cold now.
You need to be able to spar with as many people as possible to truly get better after you have a fundamental/conceptual understanding of things. At least if you don't want to make progress at a snails speed.
All online stuff and any non sparring stuff does is give you ideas of focus for your real training. But without the real training of sparring the real progress is on pause and the best you can do is make a list of all the things you want to work on eventually and brain storm ideas for the future and try to map it out efficiently.
It's really important to be able to narrow down points of focus for every aspect of your game for when your sparring to be able to turn sparring into positional focused sparring during live rolls basically based upon all the online and class information you have determined you want to test out to see if it helps expand and connect the dots of your A/B game or plugs holes in your weaknesses.
You really need to be able to quickly determine what you DON'T want to work on right away as it will only get in the way and hinder your progress as you can always come back to certain bits of information later. Your mind can only store so much information at a time and keep it fresh without having the muscle memory to back it up.
For me personally what helps me improve the quickest is doing focused privates where I pick 2 to 4 things to quickly go over during an hour from certain spots and brain storm a bit of creativity on improving my strengths and reducing my weaknesses. Then I will determine if any of it was useful and then use it during live rolling and try to force what I was working on during the rolls.
The better my surrounding knowledge of what I am working on will increase the speed in which I am able to implement the new techniques/ideas/concepts. The more the spider web of information increases the easier this process becomes over time.
Some things I will work on for a few days, others a few weeks and some things take a couple months before I feel comfortable with it. The goal should be for anything that I am working on for me to actually feel comfortable doing it in a tournament scenario and then actually being able to get it to work in that scenario.
And then you repeat the process constantly when needed. The quicker your able to store information and test it out and then use it functionally in sparring and then in competition the quicker you get better at jiu-jitsu in a sense. Without the actual testing out the information, picking it apart, brain storming, being creative and trying it out in sparring and then in competition your not able to truly figure out what works and what doesn't and store the muscle memory the way it needs to be stored to then begin to work on more information repeating the process.
So in a sense gathering as much information as possible online is not that useful. Just gather a little bit of information at a time and work on just a few things at a time from different areas so you always have something to work on from every position in sparring. Then try to get good at those things and connect the dots. Then when you feel like you need more things to work on repeat.
All online stuff and any non sparring stuff does is give you ideas of focus for your real training. But without the real training of sparring the real progress is on pause and the best you can do is make a list of all the things you want to work on eventually and brain storm ideas for the future and try to map it out efficiently.
It's really important to be able to narrow down points of focus for every aspect of your game for when your sparring to be able to turn sparring into positional focused sparring during live rolls basically based upon all the online and class information you have determined you want to test out to see if it helps expand and connect the dots of your A/B game or plugs holes in your weaknesses.
You really need to be able to quickly determine what you DON'T want to work on right away as it will only get in the way and hinder your progress as you can always come back to certain bits of information later. Your mind can only store so much information at a time and keep it fresh without having the muscle memory to back it up.
For me personally what helps me improve the quickest is doing focused privates where I pick 2 to 4 things to quickly go over during an hour from certain spots and brain storm a bit of creativity on improving my strengths and reducing my weaknesses. Then I will determine if any of it was useful and then use it during live rolling and try to force what I was working on during the rolls.
The better my surrounding knowledge of what I am working on will increase the speed in which I am able to implement the new techniques/ideas/concepts. The more the spider web of information increases the easier this process becomes over time.
Some things I will work on for a few days, others a few weeks and some things take a couple months before I feel comfortable with it. The goal should be for anything that I am working on for me to actually feel comfortable doing it in a tournament scenario and then actually being able to get it to work in that scenario.
And then you repeat the process constantly when needed. The quicker your able to store information and test it out and then use it functionally in sparring and then in competition the quicker you get better at jiu-jitsu in a sense. Without the actual testing out the information, picking it apart, brain storming, being creative and trying it out in sparring and then in competition your not able to truly figure out what works and what doesn't and store the muscle memory the way it needs to be stored to then begin to work on more information repeating the process.
So in a sense gathering as much information as possible online is not that useful. Just gather a little bit of information at a time and work on just a few things at a time from different areas so you always have something to work on from every position in sparring. Then try to get good at those things and connect the dots. Then when you feel like you need more things to work on repeat.
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CBBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Hey Guys, Germany is Back to a Lockdown light. Kind of boring know and its getting colder. First Lockdown was ok, I was motivated but now. It feels like, getting the bluebelt and suddenly quit BJJ. Do you guys have the same motivation problem as I am or do you still watch instructionals and train with a grappling Dummi? In Spring, at the first Lockdown, a friend and I bought some Judomats and we drilled a lot Outside. But it is to cold now.
Personally not really having a motivation problem. But then, I'm fairly obsessive about things in general, so it's not that big a deal for me.
As for training, I have been using the lockdown to focus specifically on the parts of my game I'm bad at. Dummy training is obviously no substitute for live training but it's better than nothing and it does let you get an understanding of the mechanics, so when you're in live training you can focus strictly on application and don't sit there wondering where your feet go. It also helps internalize what you wanted to take away from instructionals.
All in all, I really didn't notice any drop in my ability after the first lockdown. Wasn't better, but also not worse.
And on a side note, where do you live? I'm in NRW, and while it's cool now, it's nothing that a bit of rolling wouldn't balance out. I've rolled in colder weather than this.
As for training, I have been using the lockdown to focus specifically on the parts of my game I'm bad at. Dummy training is obviously no substitute for live training but it's better than nothing and it does let you get an understanding of the mechanics, so when you're in live training you can focus strictly on application and don't sit there wondering where your feet go. It also helps internalize what you wanted to take away from instructionals.
All in all, I really didn't notice any drop in my ability after the first lockdown. Wasn't better, but also not worse.
And on a side note, where do you live? I'm in NRW, and while it's cool now, it's nothing that a bit of rolling wouldn't balance out. I've rolled in colder weather than this.
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CBBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Hey Guys, Germany is Back to a Lockdown light. Kind of boring know and its getting colder. First Lockdown was ok, I was motivated but now. It feels like, getting the bluebelt and suddenly quit BJJ. Do you guys have the same motivation problem as I am or do you still watch instructionals and train with a grappling Dummi? In Spring, at the first Lockdown, a friend and I bought some Judomats and we drilled a lot Outside. But it is to cold now.
BTW, you might find this interesting.
ADPurple beltVerified
MBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
BTW, you might find this interesting.
You may be wrong her, Chris. At least in North Rhine Westphalia we are under the state regulation of NRW until 30.11.20:
§ 9
Sport
(1) Der Freizeit- und Amateursportbetrieb auf und in allen öffentlichen und privaten Sportanlagen,
Fitnessstudios, Schwimmbädern und ähnlichen Einrichtungen ist bis zum 30. November
2020 unzulässig. Ausgenommen ist der Individualsport allein, zu zweit oder ausschließlich
mit Personen des eigenen Hausstandes außerhalb geschlossener Räumlichkeiten von
Sportanlagen. Die Nutzung von Gemeinschaftsräumen einschließlich Räumen zum Umkleiden
und zum Duschen von Sportanlagen durch mehrere Personen gleichzeitig ist unzulässig.
(2) Sportfeste und ähnliche Sportveranstaltungen sind bis mindestens zum 31. Dezember 2020
untersagt.
(3) Wettbewerbe in Profiligen, Wettbewerbe im Berufsreitsport und Pferderennen sowie andere
berufsmäßige Sportausübung sind zulässig, soweit die Vereine beziehungsweise die Lizenzspielerabteilungen
der Vereine sich neben der Erfüllung ihrer arbeitsschutzrechtlichen
Hygiene- und Schutzpflichten auch verantwortlich für die Reduzierung von Infektionsrisiken
im Sinne des Infektionsschutzgesetzes zeigen und die für die Ausrichtung der Wettbewerbe
verantwortlichen Stellen den nach § 17 Absatz 1 zuständigen Behörden vor Durchführung der
Wettbewerbe geeignete Infektionsschutzkonzepte vorlegen. Zuschauer dürfen bei den Wettbewerben
bis zum 30. November 2020 nicht zugelassen werden.
(4) Ausgenommen von Absatz 1 und damit unter Beachtung der allgemeinen Regeln dieser
Verordnung und anderer Rechtsvorschriften (Arbeitsschutzrecht und so weiter) zulässig sind
der Sportunterricht (einschließlich Schwimmunterricht) der Schulen und die Vorbereitung auf
oder die Durchführung von schulischen Prüfungen, sportpraktische Übungen im Rahmen von
Studiengängen, das Training an den nordrhein-westfälischen Bundesstützpunkten und Landesleistungsstützpunkten
sowie das Training von Berufssportlern auf und in den von ihrem
Arbeitgeber bereitgestellten Trainingseinrichtungen.
(5) Abweichend von Absatz 1 Satz 2 ist das Bewegen von Pferden aus Tierschutzgründen
auch in geschlossenen Räumen zulässig.
§ 9
Sport
(1) Der Freizeit- und Amateursportbetrieb auf und in allen öffentlichen und privaten Sportanlagen,
Fitnessstudios, Schwimmbädern und ähnlichen Einrichtungen ist bis zum 30. November
2020 unzulässig. Ausgenommen ist der Individualsport allein, zu zweit oder ausschließlich
mit Personen des eigenen Hausstandes außerhalb geschlossener Räumlichkeiten von
Sportanlagen. Die Nutzung von Gemeinschaftsräumen einschließlich Räumen zum Umkleiden
und zum Duschen von Sportanlagen durch mehrere Personen gleichzeitig ist unzulässig.
(2) Sportfeste und ähnliche Sportveranstaltungen sind bis mindestens zum 31. Dezember 2020
untersagt.
(3) Wettbewerbe in Profiligen, Wettbewerbe im Berufsreitsport und Pferderennen sowie andere
berufsmäßige Sportausübung sind zulässig, soweit die Vereine beziehungsweise die Lizenzspielerabteilungen
der Vereine sich neben der Erfüllung ihrer arbeitsschutzrechtlichen
Hygiene- und Schutzpflichten auch verantwortlich für die Reduzierung von Infektionsrisiken
im Sinne des Infektionsschutzgesetzes zeigen und die für die Ausrichtung der Wettbewerbe
verantwortlichen Stellen den nach § 17 Absatz 1 zuständigen Behörden vor Durchführung der
Wettbewerbe geeignete Infektionsschutzkonzepte vorlegen. Zuschauer dürfen bei den Wettbewerben
bis zum 30. November 2020 nicht zugelassen werden.
(4) Ausgenommen von Absatz 1 und damit unter Beachtung der allgemeinen Regeln dieser
Verordnung und anderer Rechtsvorschriften (Arbeitsschutzrecht und so weiter) zulässig sind
der Sportunterricht (einschließlich Schwimmunterricht) der Schulen und die Vorbereitung auf
oder die Durchführung von schulischen Prüfungen, sportpraktische Übungen im Rahmen von
Studiengängen, das Training an den nordrhein-westfälischen Bundesstützpunkten und Landesleistungsstützpunkten
sowie das Training von Berufssportlern auf und in den von ihrem
Arbeitgeber bereitgestellten Trainingseinrichtungen.
(5) Abweichend von Absatz 1 Satz 2 ist das Bewegen von Pferden aus Tierschutzgründen
auch in geschlossenen Räumen zulässig.
CBBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
You may be wrong her, Chris. At least in North Rhine Westphalia we are under the state regulation of NRW until 30.11.20
Sorry for not being clear. Those guidelines are specifically for Hessen and don't apply to NRW. I posted it for André because he's in Hessen.
https://www.landessportbu[...]virus/faq/
And even then, only in reference to private training.
https://www.landessportbu[...]virus/faq/
And even then, only in reference to private training.
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MBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Sorry for not being clear. Those guidelines are specifically for Hessen and don't apply to NRW. I posted it for André because he's in Hessen. https://www.landessportbu[...]virus/faq/ And even then, only in reference to private training.
Yeah, i was confused as you markered :..."wie in den anderen Bundesländern auch....Judo mit 2 Personen möglich!" Only in state Hessen then ....So in the state NRW it is definitely not allowed like mentioned in the above covid state NRW regulation.
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
You may be wrong her, Chris. At least in North Rhine Westphalia we are under the state regulation of NRW until 30.11.20: § 9 Sport (1) Der Freizeit- und Amateursportbetrieb auf und in allen öffentlichen und privaten Sportanlagen, Fitnessstudios, Schwimmbädern und ähnlichen Einrichtungen ist bis zum 30. November 2020 unzulässig. Ausgenommen ist der Individualsport allein, zu zweit oder ausschließlich mit Personen des eigenen Hausstandes außerhalb geschlossener Räumlichkeiten von Sportanlagen. Die Nutzung von Gemeinschaftsräumen einschließlich Räumen zum Umkleiden und zum Duschen von Sportanlagen durch mehrere Personen gleichzeitig ist unzulässig. (2) Sportfeste und ähnliche Sportveranstaltungen sind bis mindestens zum 31. Dezember 2020 untersagt. (3) Wettbewerbe in Profiligen, Wettbewerbe im Berufsreitsport und Pferderennen sowie andere berufsmäßige Sportausübung sind zulässig, soweit die Vereine beziehungsweise die Lizenzspielerabteilungen der Vereine sich neben der Erfüllung ihrer arbeitsschutzrechtlichen Hygiene- und Schutzpflichten auch verantwortlich für die Reduzierung von Infektionsrisiken im Sinne des Infektionsschutzgesetzes zeigen und die für die Ausrichtung der Wettbewerbe verantwortlichen Stellen den nach § 17 Absatz 1 zuständigen Behörden vor Durchführung der Wettbewerbe geeignete Infektionsschutzkonzepte vorlegen. Zuschauer dürfen bei den Wettbewerben bis zum 30. November 2020 nicht zugelassen werden. (4) Ausgenommen von Absatz 1 und damit unter Beachtung der allgemeinen Regeln dieser Verordnung und anderer Rechtsvorschriften (Arbeitsschutzrecht und so weiter) zulässig sind der Sportunterricht (einschließlich Schwimmunterricht) der Schulen und die Vorbereitung auf oder die Durchführung von schulischen Prüfungen, sportpraktische Übungen im Rahmen von Studiengängen, das Training an den nordrhein-westfälischen Bundesstützpunkten und Landesleistungsstützpunkten sowie das Training von Berufssportlern auf und in den von ihrem Arbeitgeber bereitgestellten Trainingseinrichtungen. (5) Abweichend von Absatz 1 Satz 2 ist das Bewegen von Pferden aus Tierschutzgründen auch in geschlossenen Räumen zulässig.
This also reminds me, it would be cool to have a German subforum on Betlchecker (as there are French and Portuguese ones so far). Handy way for me to practice my German reading skills (which need a lot of work). ;)
BBBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Find people to train with and get some swain roll mats
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Find people to train with and get some swain roll mats
Well, that depends where you are. In the UK, that would currently be illegal (though you could form a support bubble legally, if you can find somebody who lives alone). I'm not sure about the rest of Europe, though I imagine most if not all of the places that have also moved back into lockdown will have rules about household mixing.
In the US, also seems varied, depending where you live, but I'm not familiar with the rules over there.
In the US, also seems varied, depending where you live, but I'm not familiar with the rules over there.
CCBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
So sorry to hear this. I sincerely pray we dont go through a second round of this in Texas.
JTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Good news today on a vaccine - supposedly 90% effective. Higher than the flu shot they want you take yearly. Hopefully we're seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.
https://www.pfizer.com/ne[...]te-against
https://www.pfizer.com/ne[...]te-against
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SCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
So sorry to hear this. I sincerely pray we dont go through a second round of this in Texas.
I think we'll all probably have to undergo a 3-week national shutdown come late January.
BBBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I think we'll all probably have to undergo a 3-week national shutdown come late January.
Hope not,
Speak easy time.
Speak easy time.
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Good new today on a vaccine - supposedly 90% effective. Higher than the flu shot they want you take yearly. Hopefully we're seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. https://www.pfizer.com/ne[...]te-against
To me when they say 90% effective...I just think having a good immune system is over 99% effective so what are they really saying? Are they saying they are adding a 10% chance to cause horrible side effects. That's all I am reading when I see that.
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SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Good new today on a vaccine - supposedly 90% effective. Higher than the flu shot they want you take yearly. Hopefully we're seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. https://www.pfizer.com/ne[...]te-against
Yep, very good news! Seems like a decent sample size too, from what I've read. Though I'm sure the distribution will take a long time (starting sensibly with front line workers and vulnerable demographic being inoculated), it at least means there is a potential end point, rather than just endless months of not knowing when we can start getting back to some semblance of normal.
2021 should hopefully be a lot better than 2020, for numerous reasons. :)
2021 should hopefully be a lot better than 2020, for numerous reasons. :)
CBBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
To me the when they say 90% effective...I just think having a good immune system is over 99% effective so what are they really saying? Are they saying they are adding a 10% chance to cause horrible side effects. That's all I am reading when I see that.
It's not really that complicated. A vaccine is not intended to cure a virus, bit to keep you from getting it in the first place. So, when they say a vaccine is 90% effective, that means that 90% of people who were given the vaccine did not get infected when compared to those who did not receive it.
In this context, your claim that "a good immune system is over 99% effective" is irrelevant as the parameters being compared are those who were vaccinated vs those who were not.
Hope that clears it up.
In this context, your claim that "a good immune system is over 99% effective" is irrelevant as the parameters being compared are those who were vaccinated vs those who were not.
Hope that clears it up.
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
It's not really that complicated. A vaccine is not intended to cure a virus, bit to keep you from getting it in the first place. So, when they say a vaccine is 90% effective, that means that 90% of people who were given the vaccine did not get infected when compared to those who did not receive it. In this context, your claim that 'a good immune system is over 99% effective' is irrelevant as the parameters being compared are those who were vaccinated vs those who were not. Hope that clears it up.
A good immune system is not intended to cure a virus either but is more effective then 90%. That is all I am saying.
I really don't see how they can honestly say it's 90% more effective for people compared to those who do not get the vaccine. I could maybe see that in people over 70 maybe...even then I doubt it. As once your over a certain age the percentage chance of death from any cause is already greater then .1% for a lot of people.
But the math doesn't add up to me. That is all. I think they pull these stats out of there ass like every other stat any company gives that is trying to make billions of dollars.
The world needs guinea pigs though so good for the people who believe these sorta things and want to blindly get it on day 1.
I really don't see how they can honestly say it's 90% more effective for people compared to those who do not get the vaccine. I could maybe see that in people over 70 maybe...even then I doubt it. As once your over a certain age the percentage chance of death from any cause is already greater then .1% for a lot of people.
But the math doesn't add up to me. That is all. I think they pull these stats out of there ass like every other stat any company gives that is trying to make billions of dollars.
The world needs guinea pigs though so good for the people who believe these sorta things and want to blindly get it on day 1.
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CBBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
A good immune system is not intended to cure a virus either but is more effective then 90%. That is all I am saying.
This isn't an either or situation. Getting the vaccine doesn't replace your immune system. Again, assuming that the immune system covers 99%, that would be the baseline as everyone, save those suffering from some form of autoimmune disease, has an immune system. The vaccine would be an additional layer on top.
Also, the whole point to a vaccine is to prime the immune system so it is ready for the illness. Kind of like getting the questions to a test before the exam date.
As for how they get these numbers, these are actually very robust statistical models which are used to determine this based off experiments with willing participants, normally double blinded. This is literally the furthest thing from "pulling it out of there was". Admittedly, the methodology is complicated and hard to understand, but unless you have advanced degrees in mathematics and biostatistics, why would you expect to understand them? It's a specialized field and not really common knowledge.
Also, the whole point to a vaccine is to prime the immune system so it is ready for the illness. Kind of like getting the questions to a test before the exam date.
As for how they get these numbers, these are actually very robust statistical models which are used to determine this based off experiments with willing participants, normally double blinded. This is literally the furthest thing from "pulling it out of there was". Admittedly, the methodology is complicated and hard to understand, but unless you have advanced degrees in mathematics and biostatistics, why would you expect to understand them? It's a specialized field and not really common knowledge.
JTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
A good immune system is not intended to cure a virus either but is more effective then 90%. That is all I am saying. I really don't see how they can honestly say it's 90% more effective for people compared to those who do not get the vaccine. I could maybe see that in people over 70 maybe...even then I doubt it. As once your over a certain age the percentage chance of death from any cause is already greater then .1% for a lot of people. But the math doesn't add up to me. That is all. I think they pull these stats out of there ass like every other stat any company gives that is trying to make billions of dollars. The world needs guinea pigs though so good for the people who believe these sorta things and want to blindly get it on day 1.
While a good immune system is probably more effective than a vaccine, the point of the vaccine is to help slow down the amount of people getting sick and collapsing the medical system which in turn will cause deaths from issues that normally shouldn't be deadly. Here's an example, hospitals are completely overwhelmed that doctors and you get staph from training. Doctors are so overwhelmed dealing with covid cases that you can't get an appointment and the wait time in the ER is 12hours so you don't bother. Now the staph goes septic and you die. Another thing with this virus is unknown of the long term effects of what it does to your system. Some people are asymptomatic and others are wrecked for months before they get better. The unknowns is what makes this virus scary.
Remember that weird resurgence of Kawasaki disease in New York that happened with young kids out of nowhere? There have been reports of young people dying, as well. From what I've read, a lot of this is based on exposure to the viral load. But, I'm no scientist and will continue following and reading up on it. If a mask is all we need to slow down the transmission, I'm all for it.
The percentage of effectiveness is based on the number of participants and yes, the numbers are most likely polished to make them look better and ,personally, I would to take those reports with a grain of salt. Based on their numbers it's more effective than the flu shot and similar to the chicken pox vaccination. Will I be the first to try it? Heck no. :)
Remember that weird resurgence of Kawasaki disease in New York that happened with young kids out of nowhere? There have been reports of young people dying, as well. From what I've read, a lot of this is based on exposure to the viral load. But, I'm no scientist and will continue following and reading up on it. If a mask is all we need to slow down the transmission, I'm all for it.
The percentage of effectiveness is based on the number of participants and yes, the numbers are most likely polished to make them look better and ,personally, I would to take those reports with a grain of salt. Based on their numbers it's more effective than the flu shot and similar to the chicken pox vaccination. Will I be the first to try it? Heck no. :)
BMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
To me when they say 90% effective...I just think having a good immune system is over 99% effective so what are they really saying? Are they saying they are adding a 10% chance to cause horrible side effects. That's all I am reading when I see that.
I think you're confusing survival rates (i.e. most people survive after having been infected) with infection rates (i.e. the vaccine is purported to limit infections to 10% of everyone who gets vaccinated).
TPBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Please keep the discussion on the main forum relevant to BJJ. :)
Vaccination debates can be had elsewhere.
Vaccination debates can be had elsewhere.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Please keep the discussion on the main forum relevant to BJJ. :) Vaccination debates can be had elsewhere.
Yes like on facebook or something .. Lol
JHPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I really don't see how they can honestly say it's 90% more effective for people compared to those who do not get the vaccine. I could maybe see that in people over 70 maybe...even then I doubt it. As once your over a certain age the percentage chance of death from any cause is already greater then .1% for a lot of people. But the math doesn't add up to me. That is all. I think they pull these stats out of there ass like every other stat any company gives that is trying to make billions of dollars. The world needs guinea pigs though so good for the people who believe these sorta things and want to blindly get it on day 1.
There is a scientific process behind these figures, and in this case this process is heavily supervised by FDA (USA), EMA (EU), etc. Science is not an opinion. Luckily we have science to come with answers like vaccines to help to manage pandemics like the one we’re having now. The study they are referring to, to come up with the 90% effectiveness rate, is in the phase 3 clinical trial and has already been tested on more then 40.000 volunteers, most scientist say it looks promising.
BTW : developing vaccines is not the best way for a pharmaceutical company to make money.
A personal observation here (so not scientific) is that regions that are less infected seem to have a higher resistance against vaccination then regions with higher infection rates. Belgium is just starting to get over the peak of it’s second (world record) infection wave, so I might be biased.
Let’s hope that the whole anti-vaccination discussion does not lead to lower vaccination rates and in the end to prolonging the pandemic ... I’m really desperate to start training again !
BTW : developing vaccines is not the best way for a pharmaceutical company to make money.
A personal observation here (so not scientific) is that regions that are less infected seem to have a higher resistance against vaccination then regions with higher infection rates. Belgium is just starting to get over the peak of it’s second (world record) infection wave, so I might be biased.
Let’s hope that the whole anti-vaccination discussion does not lead to lower vaccination rates and in the end to prolonging the pandemic ... I’m really desperate to start training again !
JHPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Please keep the discussion on the main forum relevant to BJJ. :) Vaccination debates can be had elsewhere.
You’re right, seems that my previous post has crossed your remark ... but I do want to go back to training again !
CBBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yes like on facebook or something .. Lol
Guilty. Will refrain from commenting on this here. Sorry.
