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Weapons Defense, what are you practicing?

5 year(s) ago • 540 views • 16 replies

Brian Thurmond
Brian Thurmond
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5 year(s) ago
One of my favorite things about Jiu-jitsu is the stand-up, self-defense, and weapons defenses. I like the sport, I like to watch, and I even like to participate in a small in-house degree, but I really like the standing techniques and weapons defenses.
Some may find them hokey, or unbelievable. They ALL are if left unpracticed.
A training partner of mine, a mentor really, did a very entertaining video of this very thing.
Check it out if you have a moment. Click the link I have provided below, if it pleases you.

WAR Zone Weapons Defense, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Verses Weapons (Part 1. Pistols) by Jacob Barber

https://youtu.be/k7RV_My3zRE
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17315/1000
5 year(s) ago
I have done a bit of old SMAC (Stickfighting Methods And Counters) and STAB (Survival Tactics Against Blades) material in the older days when trained with SBG coaches. They were very good ideas... as with most stuff, it comes down to how and what to train.
Brian Thurmond
Brian ThurmondOP
Purple beltVerified252 forum posts2245/400
5 year(s) ago
I have done a bit of old SMAC (Stickfighting Methods And Counters) and STAB (Survival Tactics Against Blades) material in the older days when trained with SBG coaches. They were very good ideas... as with most stuff, it comes down to how and what to train.
Thank you for your response! I am very new to Jiu-jitsu, as in training in an organized sense, but we did these at my unit and similar techniques every Friday morning (almost every), for many years. I always enjoyed it very much. Currently, It is a part of my curriculum, which is linear and builds on itself.
I like using them for part of a warm-up or even a cool-down.
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17315/1000
5 year(s) ago
The main thing is introduce aliveness as soon as possible and implement tools that give more realistic feedback e.g. feltpen knives all the way to tazer knives etc...
R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4764 forum posts34325/1000
5 year(s) ago
We practice the whole Gracie Self Defense program so we do knives, sticks, guns and chairs.
I know it's not to everyone's liking but I really don't care. My students like it and so do I.
I also like to practice shooting long guns and pistols.
Scott Chiriboga
Scott Chiriboga
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified940 forum posts54915/1000
5 year(s) ago
We practice the whole Gracie Self Defense program so we do knives, sticks, guns and chairs. I know it's not to everyone's liking but I really don't care. My students like it and so do I. I also like to practice shooting long guns and pistols.
I used to train in Kali in Orlando, FL and Escrima in West Palm Beach, FL but I can't seem to find anything in my area since moving to Delaware. Maybe I'll look into that program.
Brian Thurmond
Brian ThurmondOP
Purple beltVerified252 forum posts2245/400
5 year(s) ago
We practice the whole Gracie Self Defense program so we do knives, sticks, guns and chairs. I know it's not to everyone's liking but I really don't care. My students like it and so do I. I also like to practice shooting long guns and pistols.
As a student, I love it! I think a lot of us do.
Chris Baker
Chris Baker
Brown beltVerified573 forum posts3175/700
5 year(s) ago
I practice the elegant art of groveling on my knees when a person threatens me with a weapon and then the supplemental art of screaming and running away.

Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMasters
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1271 forum posts12800/1000
5 year(s) ago
Here's my A-Game drilling sequence for when someone points a gun at me from close distance:

Using Gracie Situational Awareness methods, I distract him by looking into the distance over my opponent's L shoulder and asking "woah, what's that"? --->Pull DLR guard ---> Wrap opponent's t-shirt around R ankle, then behind his own R leg, setting up an effective Gracie Self-Defense worm guard ---> Transition to Reverse De La worm guard (the more authentic one) ---> Fake the Berimbolo to the left ---> Kiss of the Dragon through the legs, making sure to grab the wrist of the hand that is holding the gun ---> Snag a kimura grip and transition to crucifix ---> Finish with a wrist lock/ biceps slicer, effectively disarming my opponent whether he likes it or not, keeping everybody safe.

Pretty standard stuff, I know. But if you don't train for the STREETS then you aren't really training.
Brian Thurmond
Brian ThurmondOP
Purple beltVerified252 forum posts2245/400
5 year(s) ago
Here's my A-Game drilling sequence for when someone points a gun at me from close distance: Using Gracie Situational Awareness methods, I distract him by looking into the distance over my opponent's L shoulder and asking 'woah, what's that'? --->Pull DLR guard ---> Wrap opponent's t-shirt around R ankle, then behind his own R leg, setting up an effective Gracie Self-Defense worm guard ---> Transition to Reverse De La worm guard (the more authentic one) ---> Fake the Berimbolo to the left ---> Kiss of the Dragon through the legs, making sure to grab the wrist of the hand that is holding the gun ---> Snag a kimura grip and transition to crucifix ---> Finish with a wrist lock/ biceps slicer, effectively disarming my opponent whether he likes it or not, keeping everybody safe. Pretty standard stuff, I know. But if you don't train for the STREETS then you aren't really training.
You are a neanderthal! Human rights violator! All he (assuming their gender) did was point a gun at you at close range, and you decided to basically turn him inside out! Punishment here clearly does not fit the crime, sir!
Ray Robles
Ray Robles
Black beltVerified104 forum posts3890/1000
5 year(s) ago
We practice the whole Gracie Self Defense program so we do knives, sticks, guns and chairs. I know it's not to everyone's liking but I really don't care. My students like it and so do I. I also like to practice shooting long guns and pistols.
Yup, I mean, I needed to know the whole self defense system in order to receive my black belt, as well as have the grappling prowess, and teaching prowess. It can spark a whole other topic thread, but I firmly believe that black belts need to know how to do all of these (compete, teach, know the self defense system.... Even though even today Royce, Rickson, Royler, and Rorion have all made adjustments on some of the old ways).

My coach, Jon Burke, made us know every nuance of the system, and in all honesty I am extremely grateful for him doing that. Plus ole Uncle Royce makes sure we know it too, or else he gives us the Royce look...... That damn Royce look
Scott Chiriboga
Scott Chiriboga
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified940 forum posts54915/1000
5 year(s) ago
We practice the whole Gracie Self Defense program so we do knives, sticks, guns and chairs. I know it's not to everyone's liking but I really don't care. My students like it and so do I. I also like to practice shooting long guns and pistols.
I also really need to get back into shooting but it's been kind of hard to come by ammo with everyone hoarding it since COVID.
Ray Robles
Ray Robles
Black beltVerified104 forum posts3890/1000
5 year(s) ago
We practice the whole Gracie Self Defense program so we do knives, sticks, guns and chairs. I know it's not to everyone's liking but I really don't care. My students like it and so do I. I also like to practice shooting long guns and pistols.
Yup, I mean, I needed to know the whole self defense system in order to receive my black belt, as well as have the grappling prowess, and teaching prowess. It can spark a whole other topic thread, but I firmly believe that black belts need to know how to do all of these (compete, teach, know the self defense system.... Even though even today Royce, Rickson, Royler, and Rorion have all made adjustments on some of the old ways).

My coach, Jon Burke, made us know every nuance of the system, and in all honesty I am extremely grateful for him doing that. Plus ole Uncle Royce makes sure we know it too, or else he gives us the Royce look...... That damn Royce look
R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4764 forum posts34325/1000
5 year(s) ago
Yup, I mean, I needed to know the whole self defense system in order to receive my black belt, as well as have the grappling prowess, and teaching prowess. It can spark a whole other topic thread, but I firmly believe that black belts need to know how to do all of these (compete, teach, know the self defense system.... Even though even today Royce, Rickson, Royler, and Rorion have all made adjustments on some of the old ways). My coach, Jon Burke, made us know every nuance of the system, and in all honesty I am extremely grateful for him doing that. Plus ole Uncle Royce makes sure we know it too, or else he gives us the Royce look...... That damn Royce look
"The damn Royce look" Lol I know that look LOL!!
Brian Thurmond
Brian ThurmondOP
Purple beltVerified252 forum posts2245/400
5 year(s) ago
I also really need to get back into shooting but it's been kind of hard to come by ammo with everyone hoarding it since COVID.
Well, I may have a solution for the time being. Ammo price for 9mm and 223/.556 is high, but other non-target practice ammo is not as high. I shoot competitions and I reload my own ammo to save on cost. I also buy it when it is cheap.
The solution in the short term is airsoft. A good blowback airsoft gas pistol is surprisingly good for practice. Recoil simulation and whatnot.
If you have an IG account, this is me and my homemade targets, and my CO2 blowback airsoft pistol along with the battery-powered rifle. The rifle is of little comparison, except for driving the gun to targets.

https://www.instagram.com[...]1NzCoJU8r/
Brian Thurmond
Brian ThurmondOP
Purple beltVerified252 forum posts2245/400
5 year(s) ago
Yup, I mean, I needed to know the whole self defense system in order to receive my black belt, as well as have the grappling prowess, and teaching prowess. It can spark a whole other topic thread, but I firmly believe that black belts need to know how to do all of these (compete, teach, know the self defense system.... Even though even today Royce, Rickson, Royler, and Rorion have all made adjustments on some of the old ways). My coach, Jon Burke, made us know every nuance of the system, and in all honesty I am extremely grateful for him doing that. Plus ole Uncle Royce makes sure we know it too, or else he gives us the Royce look...... That damn Royce look
I have a partner I train with who is getting ready to do what you mentioned. We are drilling all the techniques, he would be promoted by Royce when he is successful.

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