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Can we verify these belts? (Randy Lasu Rogers & Jordan Gregory, Pure Jiu Jitsu)

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Bridget Jack Jeffries
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1-31-21 --- I'm updating this post to make the information clear for newcomers and casual observers. My original post is at the bottom. Numbers in brackets (e.g., [12]) refer to the PAGE of this thread where information was found and posted.

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TL;DR --- Randy "Lasu" Rogers claims to be a 7th degree coral belt Brazilian jiu-jitsu instructor. Jordan Matthew/Matthias Gregory claims to be a 2nd degree black belt Brazilian jiu-jitsu instructor. Both teach at Pure Jiu Jitsu in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, USA. Their belts do not meet IBJJF standards for black/coral belt promotions and the vast majority of the Brazilian jiu-jitsu community would regard their belts as illegitimate/fake. Mr. Rogers appears to be entirely self-promoted, with the exception of perhaps the first and/or second degrees on his black belt coming from Carlos Machado.
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In December 2020, a Redditor started a thread on "Fake Black Belt Awarded in Albuquerque," (https://www.reddit.com/r/[...]buquerque/). I started a discussion here so we could use real names (which you can't do on Reddit due to their anti-doxxing rules.)

Randy "Lasu" Rogers runs Pure Jiu JItsu in Rio Rancho outside of Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA. Mr. Rogers (called "Lasu" by those who know him) claims to be a 7th degree coral belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. This is remarkable since the very first American black belts (like Chris Haueter) are only 5th degree. In the Brazilian jiu-jitsu belt system, it takes around 40 years of training to achieve this rank, 28+ of which should be spent at black belt.

Mr. Rogers came to Reddit's attention because he had just promoted his student, 26-year-old Jordan Matthew Gregory, straight from brown belt to second degree black belt. Again, in the BJJ belt system, it takes 6 years to go from one's initial black belt to a second degree. Furthermore, Kevin "Conan" Bankens of Bankens Mountain MMA commented on Mr. Gregory's promotion post stating that Mr. Gregory had been a white belt at his gym in 2013 [1]. Both Mr. Rogers and Mr. Gregory responded that Mr. Gregory was promoted to black belt in 2014, but Mr. Gregory's social media feeds show him periodically training with a brown belt on from at least December 2016 - December 2020 [1]. (As an aside, Mr. Gregory's social media feeds mostly showed him training MMA, boxing, and capoeira, *not* Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and he has an 0-3-2 professional boxing record; [12].)

It generally takes 8-10 years minimum to go from white belt to black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and 14-16 years minimum to go from white belt to second degree black. If Mr. Bankens' report is accurate, then Mr. Gregory has gone from white belt to second degree black belt in just over 7 years.

Mr. Rogers eventually responded to a DM on Facebook that he promoted Mr. Gregory to black belt in 2014, but didn't actually give him the belt due to a falling out. He stated that this is why he chose to promote him straight to 2nd degree when the two began training again in 2020 [7]. The BeltChecker community finds this explanation extremely questionable, especially since it means Mr. Gregory would have gone from white belt to black belt in just one year (2013-2014). It's also questionable whether an instructor can "back-promote" someone to black belt going back years because they meant to promote them but didn't.

Mr. Rogers' own affiliation and belt promotions have been even more questionable. He has claimed in multiple places that he is of "Machado" and "Fadda" lineage, and also claimed at least twice on the Pure Jiu Jitsu page that he "represented" Edmilson Alves and the Fadda lineage. In a direct message to a BeltChecker member, he stated that he received his black belt "20 years ago" from Tom McGonigal [7]. (Note: even if this were true it would mean, by his own admission, he hasn't been a black belt long enough to be a coral belt. He would only be a fifth degree at best.)

Tom McGonigal responded to BeltChecker members that Mr. Rogers trained with him years ago, but as a white belt. He denies promoting him to anything, let alone a black belt. McGonigal also "confirmed that [neither] Marco Santos, [the] Gracies, [n]or the Machado[s] have ever given Randy any belts at all." [17]

Carlos Machado responded that he did not promote Mr. Rogers to black belt; rather, that Mr. Rogers "joined our association with rank already and was asked to leave." [3] It is possible that Rogers received a degree or two from Machado during their affiliation, but most practitioners would argue that a first or second degree awarded to a fake black belt is still illegitimate.

Edmilson Alves has never been affiliated with Mr. Rogers or Pure Jiu-Jitsu. He states that Mr. Rogers reached out to him at one point to inquire about affiliating, to which Master Alves responded that he would have to be examined and graded prior to affiliation. Mr. Rogers never got back to him after that. On 1-27-21, Alves posted publicly on Facebook asking Mr. Rogers who promoted him to coral belt. Mr. Rogers said he would respond in private but reportedly didn't. [13, 14]

On 1-28-21, Master Alves posted on the Pure Jiu Jitsu page, responding to one of the posts claiming that Pure JIu JItsu was affiliated with him and the Fadda lineage. He denied all affiliation. Mr. Rogers deleted Master Alves' comment. As of 1-31-21, the Pure Jiu JItsu post claiming affiliation with Alves and Fadda remains. [16] UPDATE 2-2-21: Mr. Rogers posted on the Pure Jiu Jitsu page, "With much respect i do not represent master Edmilson Alves in any way." The July '20 post claiming Alves affiliation has now been deleted. [21]

CONCLUSION: The community at BeltChecker cannot find any instructors who can confirm that they promoted Randy "Lasu" Rogers to even a blue belt, let alone black belt. Mr. Rogers claimed to have received his black belt from Tom McGonigal, which McGonigal denies. Carlos Machado also denies promoting him to black belt, and Mr. Rogers clearly lied about being affiliated with Master Edmilson Alves and the Fadda lineage. Both Mr. Rogers and Mr. Gregory have responded to questions about their belts and promotion history by deleting comments and blocking.

For this reason, most of us here at BeltChecker feel that both gentlemen should not be wearing the belts/degrees that they currently wear. Mr. Rogers in particular appears to be a fraud who has self-promoted most of his belts/degrees and lied repeatedly about his affiliations and promotions (and is thus not qualified to make Mr. Gregory a second degree black belt, even if Mr. Gregory is sincere). Evaluation and promotion by a qualified higher-level instructor is necessary to grade both men and legitimize any belt they wear.

If any of the information posted above is inaccurate, I welcome Mr. Rogers (who has blocked me on Facebook) and Mr. Gregory (who has also blocked me on Facebook) to contact me and clear things up. I will IMMEDIATELY correct the record on anything I got wrong. If they can provide a valid and full promotion history, I will gladly edit this post accordingly. I can be reached at [email protected], by Beltchecker DM, Facebook/Messenger DM (Bridget Jack Jeffries or ClobberGirl), Instagram DM (WeightedGlory), or Twitter DM (weighted_glory). I have not blocked either of them. Thank you.

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ORIGINAL POST:

The academy is Pure Jiu Jitsu in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, USA. Promoting instructor is Randy Lasu Rogers and new 2nd degree black belt is Jordan Matthew Gregory.

Mr. Gregory's social media feed shows him training as a one-stripe brown belt for the past few months (update: I dug deeper into his social media feeds and there are pictures of him wearing a brown belt going back as far as December 2016; not a single picture of him wearing a black belt before December 23rd of this year). Mr. Rogers commented that Mr. Gregory has been a black belt for six years, and Mr. Gregory also claimed in a comment that he was promoted to black belt six years ago (in 2014).

Do we have anyone here who can shed some light on this?
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Scott Chiriboga
Scott Chiriboga
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https://www.reddit.com/r/[...]buquerque/ The academy is Pure Jiu Jitsu in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, USA. Promoting instructor is Randy Lasu Rogers and new 2nd degree black belt is Jordan Matthew Gregory. Mr. Gregory's social media feed shows him training as a one-stripe brown belt for the past few months. Mr. Rogers commented that Mr. Gregory has been a black belt for six years. Do we have anyone here who can shed some light on this?
I'll be diligently watching this thread for sure.
David Ferrazzano
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Well back in 2017 there's a video of Randy Lasu Rogers https://youtu.be/sEgftR_w_mg As a 2 stripe Blackbelt and now dec 23 has 7 stripes on his track as shown in an above picture.
He's also wearing a Machado gi, but his Facebook says he's Oswaldo Fadda lineage ... meanwhile I can't get verified as a purple belt
Bridget Jack Jeffries
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meanwhile I can't get verified as a purple belt
Off-topic but I think you've only been here about a week? Just keep posting on the forums like you have been. Your profile is well-documented so people will eventually notice and verify. :-)

(I'd vote for you but since I'm a white belt with no points to give, I always worry that me voting comes off as begging for reciprocal votes to save for when I hit blue belt.)

Back on-topic: neither man has a profile here on BeltChecker that I can see. The guy who said he knew Mr. Gregory as a white belt in 2013 also does not have a profile here. (David, thanks for reaching out to him!) I figured maybe we have someone on BeltChecker from New Mexico who knows them or knows of them and can comment?

Mark, thanks for adding the detail about Mr. Rogers and the YouTube video. Things are looking sus.
David Ferrazzano
David Ferrazzano
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Off-topic but I think you've only been here about a week? Just keep posting on the forums like you have been. Your profile is well-documented so people will eventually notice and verify. :-) (I'd vote for you but since I'm a white belt with no points to give, I always worry that me voting comes off as begging for reciprocal votes to save for when I hit blue belt.) Back on-topic: neither man has a profile here on BeltChecker that I can see. The guy who said he knew Mr. Gregory as a white belt in 2013 also does not have a profile here. (David, thanks for reaching out to him!) I figured maybe we have someone on BeltChecker from New Mexico who knows them or knows of them and can comment? Mark, thanks for adding the detail about Mr. Rogers and the YouTube video. Things are looking sus.
I know, I was just joking with that part... but I think it's gotten me a few votes so maybe it was worth it
Bridget Jack Jeffries
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I know, I was just joking with that part... but I think it's gotten me a few votes so maybe it was worth it
Lol!

Looks like Beltchecker has just one verified black belt and one verified blue belt in NM. I've reached out to both of them for comment.
Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
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5 year(s) ago
This is a good example of why mainstream adoption of Beltchecker would not be a bad thing for the sport, at all.
Very much so: the way this site is set up is fantastic for weeding out fakes. It's a shame people are put off joining by the extra steps for verification (which really aren't that difficult), but a worthwhile trade-off.

I'm hoping as Beltchecker continues to get more mainstream, more people will be willing to jump through the hoops. Although they're easy hoops, so it is more strolling through them than having to jump. :P
Christian Graugart
Christian Graugart
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5 year(s) ago
Very much so: the way this site is set up is fantastic for weeding out fakes. It's a shame people are put off joining by the extra steps for verification (which really aren't that difficult), but a worthwhile trade-off. I'm hoping as Beltchecker continues to get more mainstream, more people will be willing to jump through the hoops. Although they're easy hoops, so it is more strolling through them than having to jump. :P
"Put off joining" is relative; we still have 100s of new people sign up every week during a pandemic where most people are not even allowed to train :)

Wouldn't be surprised if we hit 100k users in very few years.
R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
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WTF? Lol
This guy is a 7th degree? Yeah right
Other dude went from white belt straight to black. His seminars must be out of this world. Probably only teaches the top instructors of the world so they can share his secrets.
give me a f'kn break. Must be part of the Deepak Rao Association. Lol!!

Vovis
Vovis
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WTF? Lol This guy is a 7th degree? Yeah right Other dude went from white belt straight to black. His seminars must be out of this world. Probably only teaches the top instructors of the world so they can share his secrets. give me a f'kn break. Must be part of the Deepak Rao Association. Lol!!
Did you see his YouTube videos? Lmao
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R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
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5 year(s) ago
Did you see his YouTube videos?
A couple of them but they were unintelligible. I don't know what to make of those. Lol
Terrible either way and I am being nice.
R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
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5 year(s) ago
Checked out the guys facebook.
Even his "promoting" instructor sounds like the typical bs'er when questioned.
They always use the same fallback position. As if they all read from the same script. GTFO here.
Bridget Jack Jeffries
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Even his 'promoting' instructor sounds like the typical bs'er when questioned. They always use the same fallback position. As if they all read from the same script.
I saw that. Very culty tactic (immediately accuse the person asking difficult questions of thoughtcrimes---in this case, of not being humble).

Takes real humility to slap extra pieces of tape on your belt that you apparently didn't earn (per IBJJF rules on black belt degrees, at least).

Mr. Gregory stated in a December 2017 post that he'd competed in and won at NAGA. I'd like to know what belt division he competed in.
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R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
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Ok so the timeline for "Randy Lasu Rogers" is 45 years of jiu jitsu. Lol

Bow down to his greatness fools!! He will be merciful to all who bend the knee!
James Jones
James Jones
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5 year(s) ago
This is why they made the Thunder Dome.

When black belt is in dispute.

Must first defeat an amateur MMA fighter five year 4 stripe white belt, followed by a teenage competition blue belt, followed by a middle aged purple belt.

And then finally must survive the injury prone worn down brown belt without getting mauled for 5 minutes.

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Mirco
Mirco
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Wow! From Brownbelt to 2nd degree blackbelt in 4 days is a Lightning fast promotion.
I think if the person of interest, Mr. Jordan Matthew Gregory, simply would have been promoted from Brown to black by his Coach, Mr. Randy Rogers, nobody would have given a f...k, as he was a Brownbelt for 4 years, at least on his social media.
Bridget Jack Jeffries
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I think if the person of interest, Mr. Jordan Matthew Gregory, simply would have been promoted from Brown to black by his Coach, Mr. Randy Rogers, nobody would have given a f...k, as he was a Brownbelt for 4 years, at least on his social media.
Agreed. Sounds like someone may have gotten greedy with the degrees.

(But I welcome the gentlemen in question to present their side of the story if they learn of this thread, and welcome anyone who knows them to comment on the matter.)
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