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Can we verify these belts? (Randy Lasu Rogers & Jordan Gregory, Pure Jiu Jitsu)
5 year(s) ago • 43606 views • 949 replies
Brown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
As the 2. degree blackbelt uploaded that vids publicly for everybody on his social media, I felt free to ask what they are training there and who promoted mr. Rogers to coral belt. I suppose though it will surely be deleted soon.
So the guy , mr. Gregory, didn’t answer my honest question and of course deleted my question on his Facebook account or blocked me from watching his account.
The crazy videos of the coral belt and himself working on a wooden dummy in their Gi was taken down of their „pure jiu jitsu“ Facebook site either, so I think my question about what they train there and who promoted mr. Rogers to coral belt, wasn’t the question they liked to read, I suppose?!
The crazy videos of the coral belt and himself working on a wooden dummy in their Gi was taken down of their „pure jiu jitsu“ Facebook site either, so I think my question about what they train there and who promoted mr. Rogers to coral belt, wasn’t the question they liked to read, I suppose?!
Brown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
You are my idol
It was only a normal question, but you see on their reaction, they didn’t like it.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I just posted a review to his Facebook school site with questions https://www.facebook.com/[...]e_internal
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I just posted a review to his Facebook school site with questions https://www.facebook.com/[...]e_internal
I screen captured it for you.. good stuff

Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I just posted a review to his Facebook school site with questions https://www.facebook.com/[...]e_internal
Well done in a classy manner
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Well done in a classy manner
This one caught my eye... Lol
I voted for Pedro Perez on here. He is a member of the Beltchecker community as well.
I voted for Pedro Perez on here. He is a member of the Beltchecker community as well.

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Black beltVerified
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I usually don't like to do things like that but this guy is so out there someone has to do something.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I usually don't like to do things like that but this guy is so out there someone has to do something.
I liked reading it. That was the most respectful, yet firm and simple way to provide students/prospects knowledge to not be duped. Kudos sir.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I usually don't like to do things like that but this guy is so out there someone has to do something.
I think the review was well written and nothing was out of line. I would hate for someone to train under him not knowing any better and get hurt due to this. Great job!
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Mathematically, this gentleman is not a 7th degree black belt. I don't think there is any question about that. He may or may not be a legitimate black belt of up to 2nd degree, we don't know for certain. I've was called 'fake' by members of other schools when I began teaching since I was not part of either of the big BJJ affiliations around the area, so I'm extremely hesitant to call this gentleman a complete fraud. Maybe it's just me, but if he produced a legitimate black belt certificate and just said 'hey, my bad, I got caught up in some bullshit' and just advertised himself at his legitimate rank, the issue would be dropped pretty quickly. Has anyone just reached out and asked who promoted him? Not to 1st or 2nd degree in an affiliation, but who did he get his actual black belt from? Does he have a picture or a certificate? I'm hoping that as a community, maybe we can turn this guy around.
Yes, he’s been directly confronted about it. He says he has been promoted by Tom McGonigal, whose legitimacy is not in question.
But Lasu’s timeline is way off. He claimed last year he got his black belt ”20 years ago” but McGonigal got his in 1999, so McGonigal shouldn’t have awarded black belts of his own as no-degree BB right away the next year (although of course this could’ve happened with the blessing of one higher up, and the protocol also might’ve been different back then).
He also says he’s been doing BJJ for 47 years. Now this is obvs not true.
Yeah and you can perhaps add a little spice to your training time stories but when you promote students directly from brown to 2nd degree black & go buy a coral belt for yourself, I think it’s justified to publicly call out the bullshit.
But Lasu’s timeline is way off. He claimed last year he got his black belt ”20 years ago” but McGonigal got his in 1999, so McGonigal shouldn’t have awarded black belts of his own as no-degree BB right away the next year (although of course this could’ve happened with the blessing of one higher up, and the protocol also might’ve been different back then).
He also says he’s been doing BJJ for 47 years. Now this is obvs not true.
Yeah and you can perhaps add a little spice to your training time stories but when you promote students directly from brown to 2nd degree black & go buy a coral belt for yourself, I think it’s justified to publicly call out the bullshit.
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Blue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I think the review was well written and nothing was out of line. I would hate for someone to train under him not knowing any better and get hurt due to this. Great job!
Plus Philip's wife can represent him if Mr. Rogers sues for defamation like that gym in Singapore. :-D
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yes, he’s been directly confronted about it. He says he has been promoted by Tom McGonigal, whose legitimacy is not in question. But Lasu’s timeline is way off. He claimed last year he got his black belt ”20 years ago” but McGonigal got his in 1999, so McGonigal shouldn’t have awarded black belts of his own as no-degree BB right away the next year (although of course this could’ve happened with the blessing of one higher up, and the protocol also might’ve been different back then). He also says he’s been doing BJJ for 47 years. Now this is obvs not true. Yeah and you can perhaps add a little spice to your training time stories but when you promote students directly from brown to 2nd degree black & go buy a coral belt for yourself, I think it’s justified to publicly call out the bullshit.
shit, if just buying a belt was the thing, we could all save a ton of injuries and pain and suffering ;)
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Actually Bridgett I would love to see him try as he would have to prove he is a 7th degree
Blue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Actually Bridgett I would love to see him try as he would have to prove he is a 7th degree
Yes, but (playing devil's advocate here): what even is a 7th degree black belt? Who gets to say what a "degree" is in jiu-jitsu and when you earn one? Not everyone goes by IBJJF belt rules or recognizes them as an authority.
Is that something a court would be able to understand and make a ruling on? Do courts really care about pajama wrestling and belt colors?
That said, I think you have enough CYA language in your review since you do invite him to explain himself. A lawsuit against you would almost certainly fail (but they can be a headache even when they're doomed).
Is that something a court would be able to understand and make a ruling on? Do courts really care about pajama wrestling and belt colors?
That said, I think you have enough CYA language in your review since you do invite him to explain himself. A lawsuit against you would almost certainly fail (but they can be a headache even when they're doomed).
Brown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yes, he’s been directly confronted about it. He says he has been promoted by Tom McGonigal, whose legitimacy is not in question. But Lasu’s timeline is way off. He claimed last year he got his black belt ”20 years ago” but McGonigal got his in 1999, so McGonigal shouldn’t have awarded black belts of his own as no-degree BB right away the next year (although of course this could’ve happened with the blessing of one higher up, and the protocol also might’ve been different back then). He also says he’s been doing BJJ for 47 years. Now this is obvs not true. Yeah and you can perhaps add a little spice to your training time stories but when you promote students directly from brown to 2nd degree black & go buy a coral belt for yourself, I think it’s justified to publicly call out the bullshit.
Exactly what Tatu has written!
The point is, obviously nobody would have found these guys suspicious, if the „headcoach“ would have been a 2 or 3rd degree blackbelt who simply promoted his Brownbelt student/assistant coach, to blackbelt.
But the „headcoach“ claimes to be a 7th degree coral belt (or at first 7 stripes on His black) and promoted his Brownbelt straight to 2. nd degree blackbelt. Then everybody’s alarm bells rang, cause this isn’t the usual way to promote somebody ( independent of being in ibjjf or other federations or not).
Especially when other people, who knew these guys personally before, were amazed by this promotion, cause the Brownbelt (now 2. degree blackbelt) was a Whitebelt in 2013.
And when the „7th degree headcoach“ claimed his promoted guy had been already a blackbelt for 6 years , but the guy himself the whole time, lots of evidence was on his fb account, minimum since 2016 wore a Brownbelt, man, then all this raised some doubts.
And today, after I have seen the videos they uploaded on their public social media, this weird wooden dummy training in their bjj Gis, I simply asked them what they would train there, because it didn’t look like Wing Chun and of course in no way like Jiu Jitsu, and who promoted the guy to coral belt, they deleted everything on Facebook, all the videos.....
They didn’t answer my question at all.
I mean, I am not living in the US and normally I could give a fuck about what they do in New Mexico, but it is a matter of principle, in my opinion.
And why not simply answer the simple question instead of deleting everything?
They could have written:“ thanks for your questions. We are drilling this or that in that exercise, to keep our reflexes sharp...“ whatever. And:“ of course, my „mestre“ was promoted to coral belt 2 months ago by Grandmaster Deepak R.“ something like that.....
The point is, obviously nobody would have found these guys suspicious, if the „headcoach“ would have been a 2 or 3rd degree blackbelt who simply promoted his Brownbelt student/assistant coach, to blackbelt.
But the „headcoach“ claimes to be a 7th degree coral belt (or at first 7 stripes on His black) and promoted his Brownbelt straight to 2. nd degree blackbelt. Then everybody’s alarm bells rang, cause this isn’t the usual way to promote somebody ( independent of being in ibjjf or other federations or not).
Especially when other people, who knew these guys personally before, were amazed by this promotion, cause the Brownbelt (now 2. degree blackbelt) was a Whitebelt in 2013.
And when the „7th degree headcoach“ claimed his promoted guy had been already a blackbelt for 6 years , but the guy himself the whole time, lots of evidence was on his fb account, minimum since 2016 wore a Brownbelt, man, then all this raised some doubts.
And today, after I have seen the videos they uploaded on their public social media, this weird wooden dummy training in their bjj Gis, I simply asked them what they would train there, because it didn’t look like Wing Chun and of course in no way like Jiu Jitsu, and who promoted the guy to coral belt, they deleted everything on Facebook, all the videos.....
They didn’t answer my question at all.
I mean, I am not living in the US and normally I could give a fuck about what they do in New Mexico, but it is a matter of principle, in my opinion.
And why not simply answer the simple question instead of deleting everything?
They could have written:“ thanks for your questions. We are drilling this or that in that exercise, to keep our reflexes sharp...“ whatever. And:“ of course, my „mestre“ was promoted to coral belt 2 months ago by Grandmaster Deepak R.“ something like that.....
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Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Had anyone contacted Mr McGonigal? A direct confirmation or denial from him would clear up if he's even a black belt at all, regardless of his claimed degrees.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Had anyone contacted Mr McGonigal? A direct confirmation or denial from him would clear up if he's even a black belt at all, regardless of his claimed degrees.
I did message him with no reply
Blue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
And why not simply answer the simple question instead of deleting everything? They could have written:“ thanks for your questions. We are drilling this or that in that exercise, to keep our reflexes sharp...“ whatever. And:“ of course, my „mestre“ was promoted to coral belt 2 months ago by Grandmaster Deepak R.“ something like that.....
I actually think the deletion and evasion looks way more guilty than anything else here. "What are you training?" / "Who promoted you?" should be very simple questions to answer.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yes, but (playing devil's advocate here): what even is a 7th degree black belt? Who gets to say what a 'degree' is in jiu-jitsu and when you earn one? Not everyone goes by IBJJF belt rules or recognizes them as an authority. Is that something a court would be able to understand and make a ruling on? Do courts really care about pajama wrestling and belt colors? That said, I think you have enough CYA language in your review since you do invite him to explain himself. A lawsuit against you would almost certainly fail (but they can be a headache even when they're doomed).
Been there done that. It helps having free legal counsel. A few years ago my wife and I merged our businesses so I have 12 attorneys on staff
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Black belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I have a feeling Mr. Rogers it out there printing some certificates right now.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I just posted a review to his Facebook school site with questions https://www.facebook.com/[...]e_internal
The only problem is that even though you question his rank, you still "Recommend" his school.

Brown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Has nothing to do with his Brazilian Jiu Jitsu rank/skills, but it looks like the assistant coach of Lasu Rogers, Mr. Gregory, was involved into boxing some years ago:
https://boxrec.com/en/pro[...]xer/775261
https://sportometer.net/b[...]ry---14171
https://www.facebook.com/[...]211555813/
https://boxrec.com/en/pro[...]xer/775261
https://sportometer.net/b[...]ry---14171
https://www.facebook.com/[...]211555813/
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Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Has nothing to do with his Brazilian Jiu Jitsu rank/skills, but it looks like the assistant coach of Lasu Rogers, Mr. Gregory, was involved into boxing some years ago: https://boxrec.com/en/pro[...]xer/775261 https://www.facebook.com/[...]211555813/
0-3-2... impressive!
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Look for the review from Doug Stephens on the Facebook page. He doesn't understand how they have haters. I replied ...

Brown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
0-3-2... impressive!
Looks like his bjj skills are better. How else could you be promoted from Brownbelt directly to 2. degree blackbelt at age 26.
We won’t get valid answers from them anyway.
We won’t get valid answers from them anyway.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I surprised that no one has run with this as a story yet.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
The only problem is that even though you question his rank, you still 'Recommend' his school.
Screwed up on that
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I surprised that no one has run with this as a story yet.
I'm suprise jiu-jitsu times or jiu-jitsu magazine has seen this yet and ran with it.
Blue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Is outing of fake belts something Jiu-Jitsu Times does?



