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Can we verify these belts? (Randy Lasu Rogers & Jordan Gregory, Pure Jiu Jitsu)
5 year(s) ago • 43627 views • 949 replies
Blue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I feel like it takes more than being good at rolling though. Can he perform a technique correctly and with appropriate leverage and body mechanics, or was he just a better athelete than others of his skill level? Can he apply his weight in positions, can he posture correctly, etc. It's all probably moot anyway, I don't see him responding positively.
One of my high school youth pastors was fond of saying, "I don't have to know everything, I just have to know more than you and then you have to trust me."
Seems to apply.
Seems to apply.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
One of my high school youth pastors was fond of saying, 'I don't have to know everything, I just have to know more than you and then you have to trust me.' Seems to apply.
I jiu-jitsu it takes more than knowing more than the the guy walking off the street with no experience thats easy. In jiu-jitsu understanding base, pressure, how to apply a technique takes experience and the guidance from someone legit. Takes more than athletic abilities to truly understand the techniques of jiu-jitsu work against a more athletic person than oneself.. It takes guidance from legit instructors. Judging from available video on this guy he is not one of them
Edited 5 year(s) ago
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Lasu blocked me on Facebook. Clearly NOT coming clean
Purple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Wow. I go away for a little while and this is what I come back to? I can’t believe I missed the whole thing!
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Wow. I go away for a little while and this is what I come back to? I can’t believe I missed the whole thing!
With Lasu all you gotta do is blink!
Blue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Lasu blocked me on Facebook. Clearly NOT coming clean
Yup, looks like he blocked me, too.
I never made any attempt to contact him on Messenger and probably haven't looked at his profile since I started this thread a month ago.
I never made any attempt to contact him on Messenger and probably haven't looked at his profile since I started this thread a month ago.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yup, looks like he blocked me, too. I never made any attempt to contact him on Messenger and probably haven't looked at his profile since I started this thread a month ago.
If he's blocking you guys on FB, you know what that means.. Time for Google and Yelp reviews.
Also if you made no attempt to contact him and he blocked you, it probably means that he's lurked this forum and is blocking everyone who has called him and and exposed his grift
Also if you made no attempt to contact him and he blocked you, it probably means that he's lurked this forum and is blocking everyone who has called him and and exposed his grift
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yup, looks like he blocked me, too. I never made any attempt to contact him on Messenger and probably haven't looked at his profile since I started this thread a month ago.
He's dug his heels in so much that there no way out of this. Coming clean to him is admitting that he's a fraud, his ego can't deal with that.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
If he's blocking you guys on FB, you know what that means.. Time for Google and Yelp reviews. Also if you made no attempt to contact him and he blocked you, it probably means that he's lurked this forum and is blocking everyone who has called him and and exposed his grift
I think he's blocking those that wrote negative reviews.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I saw this link in a google search (not sure it was posted earlier)
http://www.fightteam.net/[...]-jiu-jitsu
The gist of some of the comments are that this Lasu clown allegedly may be an alcoholic
http://www.fightteam.net/[...]-jiu-jitsu
The gist of some of the comments are that this Lasu clown allegedly may be an alcoholic
Blue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
If he's blocking you guys on FB, you know what that means.. Time for Google and Yelp reviews. Also if you made no attempt to contact him and he blocked you, it probably means that he's lurked this forum and is blocking everyone who has called him and and exposed his grift
He could be lurking here, but I did post a negative review to Pure Jiu Jitsu's Facebook page after he deleted Master Alves' comment setting the record straight that they aren't affiliated.
I thought deleting Alves' comment was supremely disrespectful and decided it needed to live on somewhere else.
I don't plan on posting Google or Yelp reviews. (If you post a Yelp review having never trained there, Yelp might remove your review. Yelp is for actual customers only, they generally remove reviews by non-customers when a business draws negative publicity.)
I thought deleting Alves' comment was supremely disrespectful and decided it needed to live on somewhere else.
I don't plan on posting Google or Yelp reviews. (If you post a Yelp review having never trained there, Yelp might remove your review. Yelp is for actual customers only, they generally remove reviews by non-customers when a business draws negative publicity.)
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
He blocks those that give a bad review.. Damn I take the day and train and I miss all the cool updates..
Honestly I don’t care if he can roll or even can teach a little..
He lies about his rank. He lies about lineage, and now it looks like he lies about even being a blackbelt..He will not deal with standard questions we all get as teachers..
He is either a lying fraud or a complete mental case either way him teaching martial arts is a danger to others and he is also around peoples children..
This is not a person to feel compassionate towards until after he stops teaching I am far more worried about his students and potential students than I am about him
Honestly I don’t care if he can roll or even can teach a little..
He lies about his rank. He lies about lineage, and now it looks like he lies about even being a blackbelt..He will not deal with standard questions we all get as teachers..
He is either a lying fraud or a complete mental case either way him teaching martial arts is a danger to others and he is also around peoples children..
This is not a person to feel compassionate towards until after he stops teaching I am far more worried about his students and potential students than I am about him
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
He blocks those that give a bad review.. Damn I take the day and train and I miss all the cool updates.. Honestly I don’t care if he can roll or even can teach a little.. He lies about his rank. He lies about lineage, and now it looks like he lies about even being a blackbelt..He will not deal with standard questions we all get as teachers.. He is either a lying fraud or a complete mental case either way him teaching martial arts is a danger to others and he is also around peoples children.. This is not a person to feel compassionate towards until after he stops teaching I am far more worried about his students and potential students than I am about him
AMEN! He's making money (although it doesn't look like much at the moment) by lying about his rank. It could get one of his student a hurt!
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Don't take very long to realize your bjj instructor might be a joke, if you get envolved with the community and make a couple visits to other academies. That being sad, I like how people worry about the fake ones. It shows BJJ is something meaningfull for most and people is taking care of the art.
It is amazing how the BJJ community will police itself. It really is the only way to keep BJJ a legitimate art form.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
It is amazing how the BJJ community will police itself. It really is the only way to keep BJJ a legitimate art form.
I'm sure I can speak for everyone and their current rank... but I worked hard to wear this purple belt. I'm proud of it. And I don't want someone making a mockery of that work by putting a damn coral belt or any other fraudulent belt. Then giving rank to others as well
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Damn I woke up to all this good stuff. Lol
The thread that keeps giving.
The thread that keeps giving.
Black belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
100% he most likely will just go on teaching. Most that are new to the art don't know the difference
Until they google his name and end up in this forum thread
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Until they google his name and end up in this forum thread
Let's hope! He should not be teaching.
Brown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
He blocks those that give a bad review.. Damn I take the day and train and I miss all the cool updates.. Honestly I don’t care if he can roll or even can teach a little.. He lies about his rank. He lies about lineage, and now it looks like he lies about even being a blackbelt..He will not deal with standard questions we all get as teachers.. He is either a lying fraud or a complete mental case either way him teaching martial arts is a danger to others and he is also around peoples children.. This is not a person to feel compassionate towards until after he stops teaching I am far more worried about his students and potential students than I am about him
100% Phil.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Until they google his name and end up in this forum thread
Can people see this thread without an account?
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Damn I woke up to all this good stuff. Lol The thread that keeps giving.
That's what I've been saying. Kkkk
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I'm sure I can speak for everyone and their current rank... but I worked hard to wear this purple belt. I'm proud of it. And I don't want someone making a mockery of that work by putting a damn coral belt or any other fraudulent belt. Then giving rank to others as well
You are correct putting on that Purplebelt given to you by your instructor. A lot of hard work it took for you to get there, an in my opinion you should be unhappy with someone doing that when they are not credible. We all should. That why this thread is so long. A lot of us are not happy with this situation.
We can not control what others do, but we can control our actions/reactions to what others do.
We all worked together to try and uncover the truth.
We can not control what others do, but we can control our actions/reactions to what others do.
We all worked together to try and uncover the truth.
Blue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Can people see this thread without an account?
Yes.
It shows up on the first page of Google results when searching some of this stuff (Pure Jiu Jitsu, Randy Lasu Rogers, etc.), but that could be Google tailoring results for me.
I plan to keep updating the first post in this thread with new developments so that newcomers to the thread don't feel like they have to read 18+ pages to understand what happened.
It shows up on the first page of Google results when searching some of this stuff (Pure Jiu Jitsu, Randy Lasu Rogers, etc.), but that could be Google tailoring results for me.
I plan to keep updating the first post in this thread with new developments so that newcomers to the thread don't feel like they have to read 18+ pages to understand what happened.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Mr. Dunlap is correct. I've done a 180. This guy needs professional help. He definitely doesn't need to be teaching people.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
He blocks those that give a bad review.. Damn I take the day and train and I miss all the cool updates.. Honestly I don’t care if he can roll or even can teach a little.. He lies about his rank. He lies about lineage, and now it looks like he lies about even being a blackbelt..He will not deal with standard questions we all get as teachers.. He is either a lying fraud or a complete mental case either way him teaching martial arts is a danger to others and he is also around peoples children.. This is not a person to feel compassionate towards until after he stops teaching I am far more worried about his students and potential students than I am about him
No truer words Phil.
I don't like a lot of what the IBJJF does, but the mandatory background check, and those safe sport classes, they are doing their part to help keep the art/sport safe, especially against people like Lasu.
This site is PHENOMENAL for accountability and verification of belts.... As a whole this BJJ community weeds out the fakes. This Lasu guy should not be taking money to teach anyone, putting people's lives and livelihoods in danger if he's this disturbed.
I don't like a lot of what the IBJJF does, but the mandatory background check, and those safe sport classes, they are doing their part to help keep the art/sport safe, especially against people like Lasu.
This site is PHENOMENAL for accountability and verification of belts.... As a whole this BJJ community weeds out the fakes. This Lasu guy should not be taking money to teach anyone, putting people's lives and livelihoods in danger if he's this disturbed.
Blue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I updated my OP and asked Christian to modify the thread title slightly. Let me know if I got anything wrong.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I updated my OP and asked Christian to modify the thread title slightly. Let me know if I got anything wrong.
You have done more for preserving this great art as a white belt than most ever do. Great job Bridget
Blue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
You have done more for preserving this great art as a white belt than most ever do. Great job Bridget
A high compliment. Thank you David!
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
1-31-21 --- I'm updating this post to make the information clear for newcomers and casual observers. My original post is at the bottom. Numbers in brackets (e.g., [12]) refer to the PAGE of this thread where information was found and posted. -------------------- TL;DR --- Randy 'Lasu' Rogers claims to be a 7th degree coral belt Brazilian jiu-jitsu instructor. Jordan Matthew/Matthias Gregory claims to be a 2nd degree black belt Brazilian jiu-jitsu instructor. Both teach at Pure Jiu Jitsu in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, USA. Their belts do not meet IBJJF standards for black/coral belt promotions and the vast majority of the Brazilian jiu-jitsu community would regard their belts as illegitimate/fake. Mr. Rogers appears to be entirely self-promoted, with the exception of perhaps the first and/or second degrees on his black belt coming from Carlos Machado. -------------------- In December 2020, a Redditor started a thread on 'Fake Black Belt Awarded in Albuquerque,' (https://www.reddit.com/r/[...]buquerque/). I started a discussion here so we could use real names (which you can't do on Reddit due to their anti-doxxing rules.) Randy 'Lasu' Rogers runs Pure Jiu JItsu in Rio Rancho outside of Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA. Mr. Rogers (called 'Lasu' by those who know him) claims to be a 7th degree coral belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. This is remarkable since the very first American black belts (like Chris Haueter) are only 5th degree. In the Brazilian jiu-jitsu belt system, it takes around 40 years of training to achieve this rank, 28+ of which should be spent at black belt. Mr. Rogers came to Reddit's attention because he had just promoted his student, 26-year-old Jordan Matthew Gregory, straight from brown belt to second degree black belt. Again, in the BJJ belt system, it takes 6 years to go from one's initial black belt to a second degree. Furthermore, Kevin 'Conan' Bankens of Bankens Mountain MMA commented on Mr. Gregory's promotion post stating that Mr. Gregory had been a white belt at his gym in 2013 [1]. Both Mr. Rogers and Mr. Gregory responded that Mr. Gregory was promoted to black belt in 2014, but Mr. Gregory's social media feeds show him periodically training with a brown belt on from at least December 2016 - December 2020 [1]. (As an aside, Mr. Gregory's social media feeds mostly showed him training MMA, boxing, and capoeira, *not* Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and he has an 0-3-2 professional boxing record; [12].) It generally takes 8-10 years minimum to go from white belt to black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and 14-16 years minimum to go from white belt to second degree black. If Mr. Bankens' report is accurate, then Mr. Gregory has gone from white belt to second degree black belt in just over 7 years. Mr. Rogers eventually responded to a DM on Facebook that he promoted Mr. Gregory to black belt in 2014, but didn't actually give him the belt due to a falling out. He stated that this is why he chose to promote him straight to 2nd degree when the two began training again in 2020 [7]. The BeltChecker community finds this explanation extremely questionable, especially since it means Mr. Gregory would have gone from white belt to black belt in just one year (2013-2014). It's also questionable whether an instructor can 'back-promote' someone to black belt going back years because they meant to promote them but didn't. Mr. Rogers' own affiliation and belt promotions have been even more questionable. He has claimed in multiple places that he is of 'Machado' and 'Fadda' lineage, and also claimed at least twice on the Pure Jiu Jitsu page that he 'represented' Edmilson Alves and the Fadda lineage. In a direct message to a BeltChecker member, he stated that he received his black belt '20 years ago' from Tom McGonigal [7]. (Note: even if this were true it would mean, by his own admission, he hasn't been a black belt long enough to be a coral belt. He would only be a fifth degree at best.) Tom McGonigal responded to BeltChecker members that Mr. Rogers trained with him years ago, but as a white belt. He denies promoting him to anything, let alone a black belt. McGonigal also 'confirmed that [neither] Marco Santos, [the] Gracies, [n]or the Machado[s] have ever given Randy any belts at all.' [17] Carlos Machado responded that he did not promote Mr. Rogers to black belt; rather, that Mr. Rogers 'joined our association with rank already and was asked to leave.' [3] It is possible that Rogers received a degree or two from Machado during their affiliation, but most practitioners would argue that a first or second degree awarded to a fake black belt is still illegitimate. Edmilson Alves has never been affiliated with Mr. Rogers or Pure Jiu-Jitsu. He states that Mr. Rogers reached out to him at one point to inquire about affiliating, to which Master Alves responded that he would have to be examined and graded prior to affiliation. Mr. Rogers never got back to him after that. On 1-27-21, Alves posted publicly on Facebook asking Mr. Rogers who promoted him to coral belt. Mr. Rogers said he would respond in private but reportedly didn't. [13, 14] On 1-28-21, Master Alves posted on the Pure Jiu Jitsu page, responding to one of the posts claiming that Pure JIu JItsu was affiliated with him and the Fadda lineage. He denied all affiliation. Mr. Rogers deleted Master Alves' comment. As of 1-31-21, the Pure Jiu JItsu post claiming affiliation with Alves and Fadda remains. [16] CONCLUSION: The community at BeltChecker cannot find any instructors who can confirm that they promoted Randy 'Lasu' Rogers to even a blue belt, let alone black belt. Mr. Rogers claimed to have received his black belt from Tom McGonigal, which McGonigal denies. Carlos Machado also denies promoting him to black belt, and Mr. Rogers clearly lied about being affiliated with Master Edmilson Alves and the Fadda lineage. Both Mr. Rogers and Mr. Gregory have responded to questions about their belts and promotion history by deleting comments and blocking. For this reason, most of us here at BeltChecker feel that both gentlemen should not be wearing the belts/degrees that they currently wear. Mr. Rogers in particular appears to be a fraud who has self-promoted most of his belts/degrees and lied repeatedly about his affiliations and promotions (and is thus not qualified to make Mr. Gregory a second degree black belt, even if Mr. Gregory is sincere). Evaluation and promotion by a qualified higher-level instructor is necessary to grade both men and legitimize any belt they wear. If any of the information posted above is inaccurate, I welcome Mr. Rogers (who has blocked me on Facebook) and Mr. Gregory to contact me and clear things up. I will IMMEDIATELY correct the record on anything I got wrong. If they can provide a valid and full promotion history and/or prove Fadda/Alves affiliation, I will delete this post and recommend them. I can be reached at [email protected], by Beltchecker DM, Facebook/Messenger DM (Bridget Jack Jeffries or ClobberGirl), Instagram DM (WeightedGlory), or Twitter DM (weighted_glory). I have not blocked either of them. Thank you. -------------------------- ORIGINAL POST: The academy is Pure Jiu Jitsu in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, USA. Promoting instructor is Randy Lasu Rogers and new 2nd degree black belt is Jordan Matthew Gregory. Mr. Gregory's social media feed shows him training as a one-stripe brown belt for the past few months (update: I dug deeper into his social media feeds and there are pictures of him wearing a brown belt going back as far as December 2016; not a single picture of him wearing a black belt before December 23rd of this year). Mr. Rogers commented that Mr. Gregory has been a black belt for six years, and Mr. Gregory also claimed in a comment that he was promoted to black belt six years ago (in 2014). Do we have anyone here who can shed some light on this?
Very well updated and as far as we know with all the evidence provided by all is accurate.
This guy needs to come clean.
This guy needs to come clean.
Black beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Very well updated and as far as we know with all the evidence provided by all is accurate. This guy needs to come clean.
I believe if the information was inaccurate he would be handling this differently


