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Can we verify these belts? (Randy Lasu Rogers & Jordan Gregory, Pure Jiu Jitsu)
5 year(s) ago • 43570 views • 949 replies
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
If he's doing jiu jitsu for 47 years I need to know where he gets his fountain of youth! And how he came across the art 47 years ago... it was unheard of in America back then
Maybe Deepak Rao was his teacher. LOL
DFBlack beltVerified
MBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Maybe Deepak Rao was his teacher. LOL
Then he wouldn’t have left the grandmaster Deepak Rao to train with other mestres, would he?
SMBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
If he's doing jiu jitsu for 47 years I need to know where he gets his fountain of youth! And how he came across the art 47 years ago... it was unheard of in America back then
Yeah I did the math on this... Rickson would have been like 15 and Royce 11 lmao. Utter bullshit.
JWBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
maybe he did Japanese Jiu Jitsu before bjj and he counts this together......
That’s what I’m suspecting. I mean I started in Japanese Jiu-Jitsu in like 2004 and got a Black Belt. I sure don’t count any of that time as BJJ. I was able to do good against white belts when I started but blues ate me alive. lol
CPBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
And Fadda himself has been dead for years. But there must be former students who could tell us whether they've ever heard of him?
My Professor Joao Paulo Martins received his Black Belt from Oswaldo Fadda in 1994. He is currently a 6th Degree Black Belt. While Fadda is not a popular lineage in the US, it is a proud one. And, smaller than the Gracie lineage. While I have met and trained with several ranking members of the Fadda Lineage, I haver never heard of Randy "Lasu" Rogers until today. That doesn't necessarily mean anything. I am a nobody. However, Someone of that high rank from a small Fadda Lineage would surely show up somewhere in the lineage charts that I have...
I am contacting Professor Martins immediately to see if he has any knowledge of this man.
I am contacting Professor Martins immediately to see if he has any knowledge of this man.
SCBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yeah they deleted the thread. Guess I'll never get an answer. I would really like to see him try to get A picture with a Gracie with that striped up belt on.. lmao
DFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
My Professor Joao Paulo Martins received his Black Belt from Oswaldo Fadda in 1994. He is currently a 6th Degree Black Belt. While Fadda is not a popular lineage in the US, it is a proud one. And, smaller than the Gracie lineage. While I have met and trained with several ranking members of the Fadda Lineage, I haver never heard of Randy 'Lasu' Rogers until today. That doesn't necessarily mean anything. I am a nobody. However, Someone of that high rank from a small Fadda Lineage would surely show up somewhere in the lineage charts that I have... I am contacting Professor Martins immediately to see if he has any knowledge of this man.
You are EXACTLY the guy who needed to see this threat
BJBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yeah they deleted the thread. Guess I'll never get an answer. I would really like to see him try to get A picture with a Gracie with that striped up belt on.. lmao
What'd you say? I am dying for a summary!
DFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I'm pretty confident the story out of the Fadda camp will be he came to affiliation already ranked. No way someone legitimately promoted by Edmilson Alves would have ever been an affiliated by Carlos Machado ... where he also showed up already ranked.
I am curious what rank the affiliation lists him as
I am curious what rank the affiliation lists him as
VBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I still want to know who he got his Blackbelt from?
BJBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Found another weird-ass thread:
http://www.fightteam.net/[...]-jiu-jitsu
Not sure of the dates; possibly from his first school in 2009-2010?
I smell sock puppetry.
http://www.fightteam.net/[...]-jiu-jitsu
Not sure of the dates; possibly from his first school in 2009-2010?
I smell sock puppetry.
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SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
How you ended up in BJJ instead of wushu or systema is still a mystery to me.
Ha - yeah, it is surprising. I did start off with kung fu at university, but it was a weird version that was basically kickboxing with some random kata style nonsense that popped up occasionally. I got KOed twice in one spar, so that's much tougher than anything I ever did in BJJ. Suffice to say, that was a little off putting, but I stuck with it for around 7 years. ;)
Internet forums are probably the main reason I ended up going the BJJ route rather than something stupid, especially Bullshido. Plus while I hate violence and aggression, I think I hate woo woo nonsense even more. :D
But yeah, if you're reaaaaalllly bored, there's a super long summary of my martial arts background on my blog: http://www.slideyfoot.com[...]round.html
Internet forums are probably the main reason I ended up going the BJJ route rather than something stupid, especially Bullshido. Plus while I hate violence and aggression, I think I hate woo woo nonsense even more. :D
But yeah, if you're reaaaaalllly bored, there's a super long summary of my martial arts background on my blog: http://www.slideyfoot.com[...]round.html
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BJBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
How you ended up in BJJ instead of wushu or systema is still a mystery to me.
How Can and I haven't known each other and been friends our entire lives is the mystery to me.
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
How Can and I haven't known each other and been friends our entire lives is the mystery to me.
We're making up for lost time! Especially as you're in that Big Facebook Message Group of People Can Thinks Are Cool, but yeah, watching me send a zillion messages a day maaaay be more of a curse than a blessing. :P
DFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
The fact that they’re both wearing socks in this picture is all the proof that I need that they are frauds.... Kidding (sort of).
The hoodie may bother me more
CBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
The hoodie may bother me more
Hey! Kent Peters rocks a hoodie under his gi and he seems legit. :D Appearance-wise Rogers can't really be suspected too much. He lacks the messy neck beard + ponytail + saggy gi + "sensei belly" combo.
Still, seems fake AF to me.
Still, seems fake AF to me.
GHBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
My unverified opinion is things look suspicious.
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
The fact that they’re both wearing socks in this picture is all the proof that I need that they are frauds.... Kidding (sort of).
Dude, mats get cold and most gyms in the UK don't have heating! Don't take my socks away from me in winter. :P
JWBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Dude, mats get cold and most gyms in the UK don't have heating! Don't take my socks away from me in winter. :P
Our gyms pretty cold in the winter. A few guys wear their socks until things warm up.
DBBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Hey! Kent Peters rocks a hoodie under his gi and he seems legit. :D Appearance-wise Rogers can't really be suspected too much. He lacks the messy neck beard + ponytail + saggy gi + 'sensei belly' combo. Still, seems fake AF to me.
You just described me to police.
TPBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
If these guys would register in Beltchecker – and truthfully put in their promotion dates – they would not be able to even start claiming their degrees, because the system requires the certain number of years before each black belt degree.
Does anyone know when the current (IBJJF) time requirements for the BB degrees was put in place?
There is at least one very old school profile on Beltchecker who is of one lesser degree here than he is IRL, because Beltchecker (quite ironically I might add!) enforces the IBJJF time requirement in between BB degrees. I believe most of his promotions have happened before the current standard, so I believe they would be considered legitimate by the majority, even if not retrospectively complying with the standard.
I originally understood that this Lasu dude is a legit BJJ black belt, who doesn't follow the IBJJF time standard for the BB degrees, but instead his own one that is based on ability... which would be almost sort of cool I guess if he was transparent with it, but his claims that he started BJJ 47 years ago... so in 1973... reek of total bullshit. Perhaps he saw Enter the Dragon in 1973, started to train the submission from the intro fight sequence by himself & counts that as the start? :)
Does anyone know when the current (IBJJF) time requirements for the BB degrees was put in place?
There is at least one very old school profile on Beltchecker who is of one lesser degree here than he is IRL, because Beltchecker (quite ironically I might add!) enforces the IBJJF time requirement in between BB degrees. I believe most of his promotions have happened before the current standard, so I believe they would be considered legitimate by the majority, even if not retrospectively complying with the standard.
I originally understood that this Lasu dude is a legit BJJ black belt, who doesn't follow the IBJJF time standard for the BB degrees, but instead his own one that is based on ability... which would be almost sort of cool I guess if he was transparent with it, but his claims that he started BJJ 47 years ago... so in 1973... reek of total bullshit. Perhaps he saw Enter the Dragon in 1973, started to train the submission from the intro fight sequence by himself & counts that as the start? :)
DBBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
He started training before the man who approved my black belt and he had to travel to Brazil dozens of times in the 90s. At this moment he only has a 5th degree. So these guys have flown past.
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DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
This gentleman reminds me of the delusional Kung Fu practicioners, who all of a sudden have their own crappling [sic] system.
I see him wear shoes on the goddamn mat, and also perform the most god-awful Capoeira I've ever seen.
Afoot = Le Fuckery.
I see him wear shoes on the goddamn mat, and also perform the most god-awful Capoeira I've ever seen.
Afoot = Le Fuckery.
BJBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I originally understood that this Lasu dude is a legit BJJ black belt, who doesn't follow the IBJJF time standard for the BB degrees, but instead his own one that is based on ability
Even if this were the case, what's their standard here? If one is 7th degree qualified based on ability and the other 2nd degree qualified based on ability, how many competitions have these two won? If they're BJJ prodigies with natural talent, why have so few heard of them?
Mr. Gregory claims to have won a NAGA years ago. Haven't figured out which one. But I hardly think winning one competition makes you a BJJ legend.
Mr. Gregory claims to have won a NAGA years ago. Haven't figured out which one. But I hardly think winning one competition makes you a BJJ legend.
DFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Even if this were the case, what's their standard here? If one is 7th degree qualified based on ability and the other 2nd degree qualified based on ability, how many competitions have these two won? If they're BJJ prodigies with natural talent, why have so few heard of them? Mr. Gregory claims to have won a NAGA years ago. Haven't figured out which one. But I hardly think winning one competition makes you a BJJ legend.
Naga does not have an "elite" division . He's lying that he won and is saying that win proves he doesn't need to compete again
TPBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Mr. Gregory claims to have won a NAGA years ago. Haven't figured out which one. But I hardly think winning one competition makes you a BJJ legend.
Yeah. Winning at local NAGA once proves one's competition prowess for eternity? I think every single people I know who have competed in those things, have also brought home a belt...
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JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Even if this were the case, what's their standard here? If one is 7th degree qualified based on ability and the other 2nd degree qualified based on ability, how many competitions have these two won? If they're BJJ prodigies with natural talent, why have so few heard of them? Mr. Gregory claims to have won a NAGA years ago. Haven't figured out which one. But I hardly think winning one competition makes you a BJJ legend.
Lol I won 2 "advanced" belts from newbreed beating purple belts as a white belt. Even I realized at the time that the guys I beat were not some sort of champions...
Also when they give a belt to everyone that wins any purple belt division or higher it's cool but not the same as winning the absolute nogi advanced/expert division that actually has a small shitty cash prize between 50 and 200 bucks where your knees are getting taken home by another man if you sign up not knowing what you're doing.
That's the only belt per competition that should even be given out in my opinion. Rest should be just medals but good marketing everyone wants to look cool beating that one hobbyist doing his once a year tournament in a 2 man masters division and acting like they beat 8 people who actually compete all the time.
They give out those belts like candy now...naga you can even get them from just winning blue belt absolute.... I wouldn't mind some candy this year though.
Also when they give a belt to everyone that wins any purple belt division or higher it's cool but not the same as winning the absolute nogi advanced/expert division that actually has a small shitty cash prize between 50 and 200 bucks where your knees are getting taken home by another man if you sign up not knowing what you're doing.
That's the only belt per competition that should even be given out in my opinion. Rest should be just medals but good marketing everyone wants to look cool beating that one hobbyist doing his once a year tournament in a 2 man masters division and acting like they beat 8 people who actually compete all the time.
They give out those belts like candy now...naga you can even get them from just winning blue belt absolute.... I wouldn't mind some candy this year though.
BJBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Naga does not have an 'elite' division . He's lying that he won and is saying that win proves he doesn't need to compete again
They have an "expert" division though, right? I assume he may have meant that.
Or maybe he meant a different grappling tournament and got mixed up. Who knows. (I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.)
Either way, winning a grappling tournament once doesn't make you some kind of BJJ prodigy who deserves rapid advancement to 2nd degree black.
Or maybe he meant a different grappling tournament and got mixed up. Who knows. (I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.)
Either way, winning a grappling tournament once doesn't make you some kind of BJJ prodigy who deserves rapid advancement to 2nd degree black.
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JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
They have an 'expert' division though, right? I assume he may have meant that. Or maybe he meant a different grappling tournament and got mixed up. Who knows. (I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.) Either way, winning a grappling tournament once doesn't make you some kind of BJJ prodigy who deserves rapid advancement to 2nd degree black.
Also just winning a belt doesn't mean he won a tournament. You can literally get a belt beating just one person your age and size in some divisions at alot of tournaments as not many people sign up at higher ranks. While avoiding the actual real absolute advanced divisions.
