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Can we verify these belts? (Randy Lasu Rogers & Jordan Gregory, Pure Jiu Jitsu)
5 year(s) ago • 43588 views • 949 replies
JWBlue beltVerified
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
TPBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Somebody should design ”Exposing Le Fuckéry since 2020” t-shirts for Beltchecker.com
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Somebody should design ”Exposing Le Fuckéry since 2020” t-shirts for Beltchecker.com
I'll need two of those in a size (M).
Christian or Dana White Make it Happen!! Lol
Christian or Dana White Make it Happen!! Lol
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RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
DFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I sent Mcgonigal a message. We'll see
PDBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Honestly in this day and age I don't understand how they get away with it.. So many Black belts and solid practitioners out there of other levels .. It's only a matter of time before you get exposed and humiliated..
As to the stripes.. I only hope to live long enough to get that many (I will be long dead before that) ..
If you google search any legit Black Belt generally several pages of conformation come up this guy nothing
As to the stripes.. I only hope to live long enough to get that many (I will be long dead before that) ..
If you google search any legit Black Belt generally several pages of conformation come up this guy nothing
KRBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
This is why they made the Thunder Dome. When black belt is in dispute. Must first defeat an amateur MMA fighter five year 4 stripe white belt, followed by a teenage competition blue belt, followed by a middle aged purple belt. And then finally must survive the injury prone worn down brown belt without getting mauled for 5 minutes.
HEY, I resemble the injury prone worn down brown belt comment
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KRBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yea and I'm buying very little. Chris Haueter was mentioned on Reddit. Is a 5th degree black belt and one of the dirty dozen. No way this guy have been training longer
Make contact with Alan Shebaro from Tier one I believe is is an affiliate of chris Haueter.
SCBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
The Randy Lasu Rogers timeline conundrum (based on his own words & photos showing the BJJ ranks) 1968 Lasu is born 1973 Lasu starts informally train BJJ at age 5 with classmate Pat Sabitini 1990 Pat Sabitini is born 1994 Jordan Matthew Gregory is born 1999 Tom McGonigal is promoted to BJJ black belt by Marcos Santos 2000 Lasu is promoted to BJJ black belt by Tom McGonigal 2003 Mr. Gregory starts to train BJJ with Lasu at age 9 2005 Tom McGonigal earns the rank to be eligible to award black belts 2013 Mr. Gregory is visiting gyms wearing a BJJ white belt 2014 Mr. Gregory is awarded a BJJ black belt by Lasu, but he doesn't formally give it to him 2014 Lasu & Mr. Gregory have a falling out 2016 Mr. Gregory is wearing a brown belt 2017 Lasu is a 2nd degree black belt 2020 Lasu is a 4th degree black belt 2020 Lasu & Mr. Gregory reconnect Dec 2020 Lasu is a 7th degree black belt Dec 2020 Mr. Gregory is still wearing a brown belt Dec 2020 Mr. Gregory is promoted to 2nd degree black belt by Lasu 2031 Lasu has been a black belt long enough to be eligible for his 7th degree *edit: corrected McGonigal promotion year (he appears legit and probably has not promoted Lasu to BJJ black belt '20 years ago' like Lasu claims).
That's a hell of a timeline
DFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
The Randy Lasu Rogers timeline conundrum (based on his own words & photos showing the BJJ ranks) 1968 Lasu is born 1973 Lasu starts informally train BJJ at age 5 with classmate Pat Sabitini 1990 Pat Sabitini is born 1994 Jordan Matthew Gregory is born 1999 Tom McGonigal is promoted to BJJ black belt by Marcos Santos 2000 Lasu is promoted to BJJ black belt by Tom McGonigal 2003 Mr. Gregory starts to train BJJ with Lasu at age 9 2005 Tom McGonigal earns the rank to be eligible to award black belts 2013 Mr. Gregory is visiting gyms wearing a BJJ white belt 2014 Mr. Gregory is awarded a BJJ black belt by Lasu, but he doesn't formally give it to him 2014 Lasu & Mr. Gregory have a falling out 2016 Mr. Gregory is wearing a brown belt 2017 Lasu is a 2nd degree black belt 2020 Lasu is a 4th degree black belt 2020 Lasu & Mr. Gregory reconnect Dec 2020 Lasu is a 7th degree black belt Dec 2020 Mr. Gregory is still wearing a brown belt Dec 2020 Mr. Gregory is promoted to 2nd degree black belt by Lasu 2031 Lasu has been a black belt long enough to be eligible for his 7th degree *edit: corrected McGonigal promotion year (he appears legit and probably has not promoted Lasu to BJJ black belt '20 years ago' like Lasu claims).
You win this thread
BJBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
HonestlyIt's only a matter of time before you get exposed and humiliated..
Narcissism. They don't think it will happen to them, no matter how many times it's happened to other people, because *they're* amazing, splendid people (in their minds), so of course it won't happen to them.
That said, BJJ seems to lack any kind of central location for reporting on this stuff. I mean, once someone is exposed, then what? How do you get the information out there for the average person to find? How does the jiu-jitsu mom trying to decide where to enroll her kids find out that these two have problematic belts/degrees (and will she care)? Yelp/Google reviews are for actual customers and will often take down reviews being posted by people who have no direct experience with the business, so we can't all post negative reviews mentioning this or something.
While I hope BeltChecker someday becomes mainstream to the point where it's suspect to not have a profile here, we're a long, long ways off from that.
That said, BJJ seems to lack any kind of central location for reporting on this stuff. I mean, once someone is exposed, then what? How do you get the information out there for the average person to find? How does the jiu-jitsu mom trying to decide where to enroll her kids find out that these two have problematic belts/degrees (and will she care)? Yelp/Google reviews are for actual customers and will often take down reviews being posted by people who have no direct experience with the business, so we can't all post negative reviews mentioning this or something.
While I hope BeltChecker someday becomes mainstream to the point where it's suspect to not have a profile here, we're a long, long ways off from that.
MBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
So the plot thickens. The guy that called out Mr Gregory is a black belt under mr lasu Rogers himself!
I don’t know Mr. Bankens, but maybe you are wrong here.
As you posted Mr. Bankens was promoted to blackbelt by Rogers in 2009 (where Rogers perhaps was legit back then), but Mr. Bankens also was promoted by Carlos Machado himself in 2012 to blackbelt 1st. degree.
I looked up Mr. Bankens on Facebook and he is affiliated with Mr. Todd Nathanson, who teaches bjj in California and mestre Edmilson Alves , Fadda lineage, from Sao Paolo.
On Facebook Mr. Bankens points out he has no affiliation to Lasu Rogers.
And in the first Post of the thread Mr. Bankens was wondering about that the „now 2nd degree blackbelt, Mr. Gregory“, back then in 2013 was a Whitebelt when he met him at his academy.
As you posted Mr. Bankens was promoted to blackbelt by Rogers in 2009 (where Rogers perhaps was legit back then), but Mr. Bankens also was promoted by Carlos Machado himself in 2012 to blackbelt 1st. degree.
I looked up Mr. Bankens on Facebook and he is affiliated with Mr. Todd Nathanson, who teaches bjj in California and mestre Edmilson Alves , Fadda lineage, from Sao Paolo.
On Facebook Mr. Bankens points out he has no affiliation to Lasu Rogers.
And in the first Post of the thread Mr. Bankens was wondering about that the „now 2nd degree blackbelt, Mr. Gregory“, back then in 2013 was a Whitebelt when he met him at his academy.
DFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I don’t know Mr. Bankens, but maybe you are wrong here. As you posted Mr. Bankens was promoted to blackbelt by Rogers in 2009 (where Rogers perhaps was legit back then), but Mr. Bankens also was promoted by Carlos Machado himself in 2012 to blackbelt 1st. degree. I looked up Mr. Bankens on Facebook and he is affiliated with Mr. Todd Nathanson, who teaches bjj in California and mestre Edmilson Alves , Fadda lineage, from Sao Paolo. On Facebook Mr. Bankens points out he has no affiliation to Lasu Rogers. And in the first Post of the thread Mr. Bankens was wondering about that the „now 2nd degree blackbelt, Mr. Gregory“, back then in 2013 was a Whitebelt when he met him at his academy.
Randy Rogers claims the same affiliation. Getting promoted to first degree black belt by Carlos Machado doesn't mean much, as this is common for affiliates to be promoted at seminars they host ... anyway I found him a sherdog forum stating he is a Lasu Rogers black belt just 4 years ago. ... sounds like he's distancing now! Part 1
DFBlack beltVerified
DBBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
The Randy Lasu Rogers timeline conundrum (based on his own words & photos showing the BJJ ranks) 1968 Lasu is born 1973 Lasu starts informally train BJJ at age 5 with classmate Pat Sabitini 1990 Pat Sabitini is born 1994 Jordan Matthew Gregory is born 1999 Tom McGonigal is promoted to BJJ black belt by Marcos Santos 2000 Lasu is promoted to BJJ black belt by Tom McGonigal 2003 Mr. Gregory starts to train BJJ with Lasu at age 9 2005 Tom McGonigal earns the rank to be eligible to award black belts 2013 Mr. Gregory is visiting gyms wearing a BJJ white belt 2014 Mr. Gregory is awarded a BJJ black belt by Lasu, but he doesn't formally give it to him 2014 Lasu & Mr. Gregory have a falling out 2016 Mr. Gregory is wearing a brown belt 2017 Lasu is a 2nd degree black belt 2020 Lasu is a 4th degree black belt 2020 Lasu & Mr. Gregory reconnect Dec 2020 Lasu is a 7th degree black belt Dec 2020 Mr. Gregory is still wearing a brown belt Dec 2020 Mr. Gregory is promoted to 2nd degree black belt by Lasu 2031 Lasu has been a black belt long enough to be eligible for his 7th degree *edit: corrected McGonigal promotion year (he appears legit and probably has not promoted Lasu to BJJ black belt '20 years ago' like Lasu claims).
Hahaha. You should add in when Jean Jacques Machado got his ranks too. Just for comparison.
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BJBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
sounds like he's distancing now!
I sympathize. I had a college mentor (not in jiu-jitsu) whom I cared about very deeply go off the reservation and get caught in a weird scandal.
It raises an interesting question though: we've kept saying on this thread that legit black belts are always proud of who gave them their black belt.
What if you yourself possess genuine skill, and received your other promotions / degrees from legit higher black belts, but the guy who actually gave you your black belt is technically a fraud?
It raises an interesting question though: we've kept saying on this thread that legit black belts are always proud of who gave them their black belt.
What if you yourself possess genuine skill, and received your other promotions / degrees from legit higher black belts, but the guy who actually gave you your black belt is technically a fraud?
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I feel bad for Mr. Bankens being dragged down by that fraudster.
BJBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I feel bad for Mr. Bankens being dragged down by that fraudster.
He was the first person to speak up about this bullshittery so he's okay in my book.
DFBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
He was the first person to speak up about this bullshittery so he's okay in my book.
I can appreciate that he called bullshit on the promotion. But he needs to be honest about Lasu being who promoted him to black belt, even if he no longer has ties to him.
JJBlack beltVerified
THBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
If lasu (as he claims) has been a black belt for 20 years thats still not ling enough to be a 7th degree black belt. The absolute minimum is 31 years after you get promoted to black belt. I saw the fb post, his "2nd degree black belt" was also a 100% a no stripe brown belt a in November of 2020( I also want to add that the belt looks brand new as well) I asked him on his Fb how he went from Brown belt to 2nd degree black belt in a month, well see what happens. I also reached out to Maurice the "hulk" Jackson who I knew back in the day when he trained in il. They have a pic together and I am hoping he may be able to enlighten us on this at all.
THBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Maurice got back to me and confirmed theyre fake.
PDBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
JABlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I'm just shocked at how folks try to fake stuff like this. A) super easy to see if skill is there etc, B) not like the martial arts community is large enough to hide stuff like this, and C) BJJ community is even smaller, so at 7 years of BJJ, I am still confounded as to how this happens.
But good sleuthing everyone. It's kept me entertained while I work for days :D
But good sleuthing everyone. It's kept me entertained while I work for days :D
DFBlack beltVerified
VBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
My name is Randy Lasu Rogers my nickname "lasu" was given to me by none other than Mitsuyo Maeda himself Tomorrow i'm going to be promoting myself to 9th degree, hit me up for seminars, before you all can't afford my seminars
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
As much as I appreciate a good bashing / troll / memewar...
Let's stick to the facts regarding mr. Rogers' shenanigans, and leave it at that. It's clear he is misrepresenting his degrees and training history (although he seems to be a real bjj black belt) and promoting someone straight to 2nd black belt isn't a thing.
We are in agreement on those points.
Both gentlemen have no profiles on Beltchecker. Should they decide to start one, a barrage of downvotes await them (but I'm sure a handful of folks will still post: "OSS, LEGIT GOOD DOCUMENTATION!")
Also, to prevent any possible unpleasantness later on (litigation, someone going postal), we might just want to tone down the ad hominems at Rogers & crew.
My 0.2
Let's stick to the facts regarding mr. Rogers' shenanigans, and leave it at that. It's clear he is misrepresenting his degrees and training history (although he seems to be a real bjj black belt) and promoting someone straight to 2nd black belt isn't a thing.
We are in agreement on those points.
Both gentlemen have no profiles on Beltchecker. Should they decide to start one, a barrage of downvotes await them (but I'm sure a handful of folks will still post: "OSS, LEGIT GOOD DOCUMENTATION!")
Also, to prevent any possible unpleasantness later on (litigation, someone going postal), we might just want to tone down the ad hominems at Rogers & crew.
My 0.2
MBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Part 2
Hey David,
I sent Mr. Bankens a message and here are his replies. He allowed me to share it here.
This said in don’t know Mr. Bankens personally not have I any affiliation to him:
I sent Mr. Bankens a message and here are his replies. He allowed me to share it here.
This said in don’t know Mr. Bankens personally not have I any affiliation to him:
MBrown beltVerified
