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Gracie Barra ICP and Gracie Uni ICP: Experiences?
5 year(s) ago • 1185 views • 4 replies
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SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I noticed Bridget logged a session on this just now, according to my friends feed. Which reminds me, I'm curious as to the content. While I definitely would not want to teach at GB again (I did it for a few years before they got too formal for me, hence why I left and started up my own place), I am curious if their GB Instructor Certification Program has useful pedagogical material.
That's also why I've been tempted to go through the Gracie University Instructor Certification Program too. I've got no intention of teaching their system or become a CTC, but I would be interested in if that course could improve my teaching. I found the first chunk of the Bullyproof set really good, the teaching tips on that are excellent. Of course, the GUIC is pretty damn expensive, from what I remember, so probably not worth it in my case. ;)
So, has anyone been through part or all of either program? Would you recommend it?
That's also why I've been tempted to go through the Gracie University Instructor Certification Program too. I've got no intention of teaching their system or become a CTC, but I would be interested in if that course could improve my teaching. I found the first chunk of the Bullyproof set really good, the teaching tips on that are excellent. Of course, the GUIC is pretty damn expensive, from what I remember, so probably not worth it in my case. ;)
So, has anyone been through part or all of either program? Would you recommend it?
BJBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yeah, my coach noticed me going over things with a new white belt student and asked me if I wanted to do ICP. I said sure. (You can't get ICP-certified unless you're a blue belt, so looks like I won't be making my new year's resolution of not getting promoted to blue belt :-D).
I've been putting it under "watching instructional videos," even though there aren't a ton of videos (so far), because I'm already using "other" for assisting with coaching/teaching.
Anyhow, so far I'm not super impressed with ICP in that I feel the writing could be a lot better, but obviously I'm a bit of a snob about writing. (Contact me, GB; I'll fix this stuff!) There are things in it that I'm sure people would find super-cringey in the way GB sometimes is. It focuses a lot on how GBs are supposed to be run a certain way and why. I wouldn't recommend it for non-GB people.
I did like the GB Foundations class (which is a prereq to ICP now) as it provides some good background on how Carlos Gracie Jr. views BJJ history. Love him or hate him, he's an important part of BJJ history and it's useful to know what his perspective is. I laughed a few times, too. They were talking about how GB stopped using the cartoon Tasmanian Devil on their logos and kind of danced around why. I laughed and thought, "Discovered that we have this little thing in the United States called 'copyright law', eh?"
What I think the GB ICP absolutely gets right, so far, is that good instruction isn't about what you tell people. It's about how you make people feel. I have always felt the same way about writing. People won't necessarily remember plot twists or jokes or details, but they will remember how they felt when they were reading your book / essay / article. The trick to good writing is to pull on those emotions and make them feel a certain way. I think it's the same thing when it comes to jiu-jitsu instruction, that good instructors make you feel a certain way---like you're improving, like you belong, like they care about you and seeing you succeed.
I'd be curious to know more about the GU ICP, if anyone has done it. I had a GU subscription for a while (for their blue belt instructional videos) and they were quality videos, just long-winded (as Rener Gracie tends to be). Their curriculum was also a lot more self-defense focused than GB's so it wasn't complementing my in-person GB training well.
I've been putting it under "watching instructional videos," even though there aren't a ton of videos (so far), because I'm already using "other" for assisting with coaching/teaching.
Anyhow, so far I'm not super impressed with ICP in that I feel the writing could be a lot better, but obviously I'm a bit of a snob about writing. (Contact me, GB; I'll fix this stuff!) There are things in it that I'm sure people would find super-cringey in the way GB sometimes is. It focuses a lot on how GBs are supposed to be run a certain way and why. I wouldn't recommend it for non-GB people.
I did like the GB Foundations class (which is a prereq to ICP now) as it provides some good background on how Carlos Gracie Jr. views BJJ history. Love him or hate him, he's an important part of BJJ history and it's useful to know what his perspective is. I laughed a few times, too. They were talking about how GB stopped using the cartoon Tasmanian Devil on their logos and kind of danced around why. I laughed and thought, "Discovered that we have this little thing in the United States called 'copyright law', eh?"
What I think the GB ICP absolutely gets right, so far, is that good instruction isn't about what you tell people. It's about how you make people feel. I have always felt the same way about writing. People won't necessarily remember plot twists or jokes or details, but they will remember how they felt when they were reading your book / essay / article. The trick to good writing is to pull on those emotions and make them feel a certain way. I think it's the same thing when it comes to jiu-jitsu instruction, that good instructors make you feel a certain way---like you're improving, like you belong, like they care about you and seeing you succeed.
I'd be curious to know more about the GU ICP, if anyone has done it. I had a GU subscription for a while (for their blue belt instructional videos) and they were quality videos, just long-winded (as Rener Gracie tends to be). Their curriculum was also a lot more self-defense focused than GB's so it wasn't complementing my in-person GB training well.
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yeah, my coach noticed me going over things with a new white belt student and asked me if I wanted to do ICP. I said sure. (You can't get ICP-certified unless you're a blue belt, so looks like I won't be making my new year's resolution of not getting promoted to blue belt :-D). I've been putting it under 'watching instructional videos,' even though there aren't a ton of videos (so far), because I'm already using 'other' for assisting with coaching/teaching. Anyhow, so far I'm not super impressed with ICP in that I feel the writing could be a lot better, but obviously I'm a bit of a snob about writing. (Contact me, GB; I'll fix this stuff!) There are things in it that I'm sure people would find super-cringey in the way GB sometimes is. It focuses a lot on how GBs are supposed to be run a certain way and why. I wouldn't recommend it for non-GB people. I did like the GB Foundations class (which is a prereq to ICP now) as it provides some good background on how Carlos Gracie Jr. views BJJ history. Love him or hate him, he's an important part of BJJ history and it's useful to know what his perspective is. I laughed a few times, too. They were talking about how GB stopped using the cartoon Tasmanian Devil on their logos and kind of danced around why. I laughed and thought, 'Discovered that we have this little thing in the United States called 'copyright law', eh?' What I think the GB ICP absolutely gets right, so far, is that good instruction isn't about what you tell people. It's about how you make people feel. I have always felt the same way about writing. People won't necessarily remember plot twists or jokes or details, but they will remember how they felt when they were reading your book / essay / article. The trick to good writing is to pull on those emotions and make them feel a certain way. I think it's the same thing when it comes to jiu-jitsu instruction, that good instructors make you feel a certain way---like you're improving, like you belong, like they care about you and seeing you succeed. I'd be curious to know more about the GU ICP, if anyone has done it. I had a GU subscription for a while (for their blue belt instructional videos) and they were quality videos, just long-winded (as Rener Gracie tends to be). Their curriculum was also a lot more self-defense focused than GB's so it wasn't complementing my in-person GB training well.
Cool, thanks for the insight! Sounds like the GB cert isn't up to much based on that, so I'll give that a miss. :D
But yeah, I did like what I've seen of Gracie University, their Gracie Combatives program has plenty to recommend it in terms of teaching quality (I did a massive review of that back in the day a whole 12 years ago now: http://www.slideyfoot.com[...]rener.html ). I also bought some of the vids off there ages ago (blue belt stripe 1 I think, something like that?). I'm a fan of long winded when it is Rener style (talking a million miles a minute and packing it with detail), as opposed to Danaher long winded (talking so slowly it feels like time is going backwards, repeating the same details over and over). ;)
But yeah, I did like what I've seen of Gracie University, their Gracie Combatives program has plenty to recommend it in terms of teaching quality (I did a massive review of that back in the day a whole 12 years ago now: http://www.slideyfoot.com[...]rener.html ). I also bought some of the vids off there ages ago (blue belt stripe 1 I think, something like that?). I'm a fan of long winded when it is Rener style (talking a million miles a minute and packing it with detail), as opposed to Danaher long winded (talking so slowly it feels like time is going backwards, repeating the same details over and over). ;)
DBBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Danaher long winded (talking so slowly it feels like time is going backwards, repeating the same details over and over).
Danaher sounds more normal at 1.5x speed and downright bearable at 2x speed.
SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Danaher sounds more normal at 1.5x speed and downright bearable at 2x speed.
Yeah, I normally go with 1.8x for Danaher. Video Speed Controller is a wonderful plug in, also helps when I want to binge a series. Apparently I can still understand what people are saying at 3x speed, though I have to concentrate more, so can't as much of my usual multi-tabbing. :P
