Rules for main forums
- Be nice
- No advertisement
- No events
- No fundraisers
- No topics asking for votes
- Only posts related to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Armlock with JUST the shoulder trapped. What is this sorcery?
5 year(s) ago • 880 views • 18 replies
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Ok.
I haven't been following the comp scene closely, but I just caught a highlight of Gordon Ryan armbarring a guy with just a triangle control of the guy's shoulder, and rolling through. No legs over the head or torso.
This is totally new to me.
"Am i so out of touch? No. It's the kids who are wrong!"
Any breakdowns of this weirdness are kindly appreciated.
I haven't been following the comp scene closely, but I just caught a highlight of Gordon Ryan armbarring a guy with just a triangle control of the guy's shoulder, and rolling through. No legs over the head or torso.
This is totally new to me.
"Am i so out of touch? No. It's the kids who are wrong!"
Any breakdowns of this weirdness are kindly appreciated.
TPBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Gordon Ryan armbarring a guy with just a triangle control of the guy's shoulder, and rolling through. No legs over the head or torso.
From the Jimenez match this weekend?
Edited 5 year(s) ago
RHBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Rodrigo Vaghi showed us something similar a while back. Except in that version Gordon’s right foot would be hooked behind the head and his left over it. Not the same I know, as the head is very well controlled in that way.
Unfortunately, Jiu Jitsu is still illegal here.
Where are my kids?
It’s playtime!
Unfortunately, Jiu Jitsu is still illegal here.
Where are my kids?
It’s playtime!
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Russ! I know and use that version. But this one is different.
Tatu! That's almost it! But there's also another one I'm thinking about. He actually triangles the shoulder joint.
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]1nMJ113xlo
Tatu! That's almost it! But there's also another one I'm thinking about. He actually triangles the shoulder joint.
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]1nMJ113xlo
RHBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Didn’t Kron Gracie try something similar on Garry Tonon at ADCC but from the bottom?
RHBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
https://youtu.be/qvL7XLUxvAE Garry Tonon escapes it though.
There was something Henry Akins posted about that escape.
If Kron had turned his knee down to the mat, he might not've gotten out.
If Kron had turned his knee down to the mat, he might not've gotten out.
RHBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yeah. I was looking for that.
Can’t seem to find it.
Can’t seem to find it.
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yeah. I was looking for that. Can’t seem to find it.
If memory serves, it was one of those *hidden* bonus videos on his site.
Hidden, as in, invisible. Get it?
Dad joke black beltism.
Hidden, as in, invisible. Get it?
Dad joke black beltism.
FFBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
We started to use this variation to finish an armbar, after last visit from Priit in November. We paired it with another home made development where we use one hand on the wrist and one hand on the elbow.
Explained in a nutshell, it's a cool spot to secure control when the defensive guy is cleaning the attacker's legs away from head/torso.
Explained in a nutshell, it's a cool spot to secure control when the defensive guy is cleaning the attacker's legs away from head/torso.
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I do something similar from someone rolling to get out of an omoplata. But I use the outside leg to keep the should pinned to the ground which, effectively, controls the head. I can post a vid, it's hard to explain
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Part of me thinks.
Judo and Sambo guys have tried to roll / hitchhike their way out of armbars for decades.
Their solution? Grab the leg and lean into a 45% angle.
Hitchhike is dead, situp is dead, stack is dead.
So what do I do? I grab the leg and lean into a 45% angle, whenever I armbar.
Truth be told. Even as a BJJ dad weekend warrior hobbyist, whenever I CATCH armbars, I FINISH armbars.
It's probably my highest percentage sub.
So this new, weird variation sparks my interest, because it's something that I would NEVER do... But it seems to work.
Judo and Sambo guys have tried to roll / hitchhike their way out of armbars for decades.
Their solution? Grab the leg and lean into a 45% angle.
Hitchhike is dead, situp is dead, stack is dead.
So what do I do? I grab the leg and lean into a 45% angle, whenever I armbar.
Truth be told. Even as a BJJ dad weekend warrior hobbyist, whenever I CATCH armbars, I FINISH armbars.
It's probably my highest percentage sub.
So this new, weird variation sparks my interest, because it's something that I would NEVER do... But it seems to work.
FFBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Highest percentage sub for me too (and my wife when she was competing, and my athletes also in MMA, i wonder where the pattern came from).
Yes 45% angle and grab that leg (which still isn't anymore a guarantee of submission since Priit shuffled those cards) BUT sometimes the timing of the hitchhike makes me miss that leg (or I have a weird angle or whatever) hence adaptations. The lock over the shoulder does quite the job.
Yes 45% angle and grab that leg (which still isn't anymore a guarantee of submission since Priit shuffled those cards) BUT sometimes the timing of the hitchhike makes me miss that leg (or I have a weird angle or whatever) hence adaptations. The lock over the shoulder does quite the job.
DBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
From the Jimenez match this weekend?
Once you're fully controlling the hand (like in the picture), there's no more hitchhiker escapes as you can't rotate your arm. Fully extended arm leaves him only room to pull his shoulder back, but that you can stop with your arms pulling him in and right leg against his shoulder (actively pulling in your heel into his shoulder). Gordan just pushes against his left thigh to get the armbar. From watching the match, I think Gordan was cranking hard against his thigh quite a bit before this too, Jiminez's arm was fucked, looked pretty bad.
Edited 5 year(s) ago
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
What I love about jiu jitsu, is that you can be training for over 20 years with savages across the globe, get set in your game, watch a decent amount of instructionals and comp footage to keep updated and see what's what...
And then STILL, you constantly run into stuff that's completely new, throwing a monkey wrench into your whole paradigm. Over, and over again.
Like the old greek guy pushing that boulder up that hill & having it roll back down again & again, for eternity.
And then STILL, you constantly run into stuff that's completely new, throwing a monkey wrench into your whole paradigm. Over, and over again.
Like the old greek guy pushing that boulder up that hill & having it roll back down again & again, for eternity.
Edited 5 year(s) ago
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Sorry this took so long.
Here's a video of an armbar I like to do that doesn't involve the legs over the head. It's from an omoplata when someone rolls to get out.
https://youtu.be/xhTSoILtmhw
Tried to embed, wasn't successul.
Here's a video of an armbar I like to do that doesn't involve the legs over the head. It's from an omoplata when someone rolls to get out.
https://youtu.be/xhTSoILtmhw
Tried to embed, wasn't successul.
Edited 5 year(s) ago
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Sorry this took so long. Here's a video of an armbar I like to do that doesn't involve the legs over the head. It's from an omoplata when someone rolls to get out. https://youtu.be/xhTSoILtmhw Tried to embed, wasn't successul.
Thanks! Legend!
The cool thing is that it LOOKS like something that wouldn't work. But it DOES.
"In jiujitsu you don't think it be what it be, but it do."
The cool thing is that it LOOKS like something that wouldn't work. But it DOES.
"In jiujitsu you don't think it be what it be, but it do."
Edited 5 year(s) ago
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Thanks! Legend! The cool thing is that it LOOKS like something that wouldn't work. But it DOES. 'In jiujitsu you don't think it be what it be, but it do.'
Thanks Daniel!
The good thing about this approach is that I never change my position so I can start this armlock as soon as they start rolling. Typically the person is tapping before their back hits the mat. All I am doing is pushing my shin and knee into them and straightening the arm WHILE they are rolling.
And make sure you keep the knee pushing in towards their head while also down. This should pin the shoulder to the mat which prevents them from coming up or turning towards you.
It's similar to the "short kimura" if you're familiar with that?
The good thing about this approach is that I never change my position so I can start this armlock as soon as they start rolling. Typically the person is tapping before their back hits the mat. All I am doing is pushing my shin and knee into them and straightening the arm WHILE they are rolling.
And make sure you keep the knee pushing in towards their head while also down. This should pin the shoulder to the mat which prevents them from coming up or turning towards you.
It's similar to the "short kimura" if you're familiar with that?
LWBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Sorry this took so long. Here's a video of an armbar I like to do that doesn't involve the legs over the head. It's from an omoplata when someone rolls to get out. https://youtu.be/xhTSoILtmhw Tried to embed, wasn't successul.
Great control and finish! Thanks for sharing.
