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Wrestling or Judo?
5 year(s) ago • 2412 views • 68 replies
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
How comfortable are you with your standup? What is your preferred style of getting someone to the floor? Who has influenced your standup/takedown game the most?
BJJ Black Belt and Olympic Training Center wrestling coach Bryon Bruce completely changed my wrestling game. He has probably had the biggest influence on my standup game overall.
I have had more experience with Judo and have been fortunate to train with Maurice Allan, Francisco Neto, Kenton Givens, Jeff Steel and Eris Mejia. While I feel more comfortable with the Judo side, Coach Bryon got me comfortable enough to use wrestling against the high level Judoka which I never thought I would get.
BJJ Black Belt and Olympic Training Center wrestling coach Bryon Bruce completely changed my wrestling game. He has probably had the biggest influence on my standup game overall.
I have had more experience with Judo and have been fortunate to train with Maurice Allan, Francisco Neto, Kenton Givens, Jeff Steel and Eris Mejia. While I feel more comfortable with the Judo side, Coach Bryon got me comfortable enough to use wrestling against the high level Judoka which I never thought I would get.
PDBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Being a Former Lethwei fighter and Naban player I use a lot of upper body tie ups as lethwei is a kickboxing style that allows high amplitude throws and Sambo adds a nice cherry on the cake although being a striker at heart my take down defense is far better than my offense.. If I was going the recommend
one of the 2 it would be Judo for the Gi and wrestling No Gi
one of the 2 it would be Judo for the Gi and wrestling No Gi
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Being a Former Lethwei fighter and Naban player I use a lot of upper body tie ups as lethwei is a kickboxing style that allows high amplitude throws and Sambo adds a nice cherry on the cake although being a striker at heart my take down defense is far better than my offense.. If I was going the recommend one of the 2 it would be Judo for the Gi and wrestling No Gi
Yeah the Muay Thai/Lethwei grappling element is underrated in the fight community IMO.
BMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Wraaaaaaaaasslin' brah!
Lol.
I tend to have more of a judo game if I'm in a gi, and more wrestling without one. I guess that makes sense, right?
Lol.
I tend to have more of a judo game if I'm in a gi, and more wrestling without one. I guess that makes sense, right?
NTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I’m quite weak in both though if I had to concentrate on one I’d do wrestling. After experiencing how dangerous wrestlers can be even with a little bit of bjj, I’m a fan. I would be curious to know from others which of the two styles people think can be done for longer? I know both are pretty high risk for certain injuries, but what could a middle aged practitioner reasonably work on?
LWBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
How comfortable are you with your standup? What is your preferred style of getting someone to the floor? Who has influenced your standup/takedown game the most?
When I was a karate black belt back home in Sweden, I always wanted to learn judo because the karate style I studied focused heavily on foot sweeps as a method of changing the dynamic of a match, but every local judo club I visited said "we don't really do much for beginner adults, try something like traditional jiujitsu".
Fast forward a few (OK many!) years to 2012 to me being a purple belt in jiujitsu and getting introduced to Sophie Cox (Team GB judo double Olympian) and I just fell in love with how subtle and technical her aggressive judo was. I kept studying judo since then. Got my black belt back in 2016 via line up.
Funny enough though, I am not a good judoka. I mean I do ok and win the odd match, but I never enjoyed the new direction judo went into, so much so the matches I don't win, I usually lose by accumulating penalties for non-judo orthodox grips etc.
So beyond judo training I'd say the major influences are from a seminar I attended years ago with Mark Munoz and Jake Ellenberger (where they really simplified clinch work into 2-3 principles) and training with Rickson a few times (where he, again, simplified base, body alignment, connection and weight distribution).
Fast forward a few (OK many!) years to 2012 to me being a purple belt in jiujitsu and getting introduced to Sophie Cox (Team GB judo double Olympian) and I just fell in love with how subtle and technical her aggressive judo was. I kept studying judo since then. Got my black belt back in 2016 via line up.
Funny enough though, I am not a good judoka. I mean I do ok and win the odd match, but I never enjoyed the new direction judo went into, so much so the matches I don't win, I usually lose by accumulating penalties for non-judo orthodox grips etc.
So beyond judo training I'd say the major influences are from a seminar I attended years ago with Mark Munoz and Jake Ellenberger (where they really simplified clinch work into 2-3 principles) and training with Rickson a few times (where he, again, simplified base, body alignment, connection and weight distribution).
MGPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I’m quite weak in both though if I had to concentrate on one I’d do wrestling. After experiencing how dangerous wrestlers can be even with a little bit of bjj, I’m a fan. I would be curious to know from others which of the two styles people think can be done for longer? I know both are pretty high risk for certain injuries, but what could a middle aged practitioner reasonably work on?
The problem with wrestling is that if you didn’t do it in school, you’re kind of out of luck as finding regular wrestling training as an adult seems to be a difficult task.
NTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
The problem with wrestling is that if you didn’t do it in school, you’re kind of out of luck as finding regular wrestling training as an adult seems to be a difficult task.
Yes I’ve heard this too. I’m not aiming to be a super competitor. Just want to learn a thing or two. I’d rather grapple into my 80s then get myself injured to the point of being unable to do bjj
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
The problem with wrestling is that if you didn’t do it in school, you’re kind of out of luck as finding regular wrestling training as an adult seems to be a difficult task.
You can register your gym with USA wrestling and enter tournaments. There are more than you think.
RMBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Two birds with one stone - Mongolian judo, aka. wrestling in the gi.
MGPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
You can register your gym with USA wrestling and enter tournaments. There are more than you think.
Again it comes down to training though. I’m in a state where wrestling is very popular, but I don’t know of any adult training programs. My gym had a wrestling class for a few months but it was abandoned due to lack of attendance.
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Again it comes down to training though. I’m in a state where wrestling is very popular, but I don’t know of any adult training programs. My gym had a wrestling class for a few months but it was abandoned due to lack of attendance.
Yeah, we have tried 3 times to have regular wrestling classes. What do instead now is No-Gi November/December and the focus is almost 100% wrestling.
MGPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yeah, we have tried 3 times to have regular wrestling classes. What do instead now is No-Gi November/December and the focus is almost 100% wrestling.
Not a bad idea, but shouldn’t the no gi months be in the summer? Lol
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Not a bad idea, but shouldn’t the no gi months be in the summer? Lol
Nah.....we turn the A/C off in the summer!
:)
:)
MGPurple beltVerified
ADPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
How comfortable are you with your standup? What is your preferred style of getting someone to the floor? Who has influenced your standup/takedown game the most?
When I originally started BJJ I was in a gym that was primarily a judo gym, so back then, I trained 50%judo and 50%bjj. Unfortunately I moved a few times after that, and for a a few years I couldn't train any stand up at all.
Years later I went back to downtown Paris and from there I was lucky enough to have a gi coach that was from a sambo/judo background, so he'd teach us quite a bit of stand up techniques and strategy but not that much because the average guys in the room were in their 30's, and old white belt in their 30s don't like to fall hard !
My nogi coach is both a BJJ and luta livre BB but he's very much in love with the stand up game, his public is also a lot younger than the gi classes. He made me fall in love with wrestling and taught me the joy of wrestling scrambles.
So in short, I love both, but for whatever reason, I got to train more nogi ( I taught it for years) so my wrestling game is a lot better. I also feel like wrestling is a lot easier on my body so, I keep getting back to it a lot more.
Years later I went back to downtown Paris and from there I was lucky enough to have a gi coach that was from a sambo/judo background, so he'd teach us quite a bit of stand up techniques and strategy but not that much because the average guys in the room were in their 30's, and old white belt in their 30s don't like to fall hard !
My nogi coach is both a BJJ and luta livre BB but he's very much in love with the stand up game, his public is also a lot younger than the gi classes. He made me fall in love with wrestling and taught me the joy of wrestling scrambles.
So in short, I love both, but for whatever reason, I got to train more nogi ( I taught it for years) so my wrestling game is a lot better. I also feel like wrestling is a lot easier on my body so, I keep getting back to it a lot more.
SBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I feel wrestling is better than judo for a Jiu-Jitsu practitioner. The takedowns and controls can be both transformed well in gi and no gi situations...
FFBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Karate.
Jokes aside (but not too much) most of the takedowns I use, I learnt at IJJF ju-jitsu and it's basically judo. I add the occasional single leg or ankle pick but I pretty much live of de ashi barai, uchi mata and arai goshi. I do the same stuff in no gi. Used to love and to suck less at ippon seoi nage but it's not the best jiu-jitsu tactic.
Man I wish I had more mat time with Bryon. We only met two or three times.
Jokes aside (but not too much) most of the takedowns I use, I learnt at IJJF ju-jitsu and it's basically judo. I add the occasional single leg or ankle pick but I pretty much live of de ashi barai, uchi mata and arai goshi. I do the same stuff in no gi. Used to love and to suck less at ippon seoi nage but it's not the best jiu-jitsu tactic.
Man I wish I had more mat time with Bryon. We only met two or three times.
MGPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Karate. Jokes aside (but not too much) most of the takedowns I use, I learnt at IJJF ju-jitsu and it's basically judo. I add the occasional single leg or ankle pick but I pretty much live of de ashi barai, uchi mata and arai goshi. I do the same stuff in no gi. Used to love and to suck less at ippon seoi nage but it's not the best jiu-jitsu tactic. Man I wish I had more mat time with Bryon. We only met two or three times.
There are takedowns in karate though and judo is basically Ju-jitsu, just saying.
FFBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Matt, DON'T.
MGPurple beltVerified
MGPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I did Goju-Ryu for a week so I know what I’m talking about.
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
Man I wish I had more mat time with Bryon. We only met two or three times.
His knowledge and coaching was invaluable to me, my students and my gym while he was here. Hope he moves back my way eventually.
FFBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I did Goju-Ryu for a week so I know what I’m talking about.
You misunderstood me.
I was joking about the fact that the question "is there striking in BJJ?" opened a long discussion so let us not open the one where we ask, "is uchi mata a judo or a jiu-jitsu technique?"
I love karate. I think is profoundly misunderstood and misrepresented. These days I'm trying to find time to study it and train it regularly again, maybe having my childhood black belt re-evaluated at some point with modern standards.
I was joking about the fact that the question "is there striking in BJJ?" opened a long discussion so let us not open the one where we ask, "is uchi mata a judo or a jiu-jitsu technique?"
I love karate. I think is profoundly misunderstood and misrepresented. These days I'm trying to find time to study it and train it regularly again, maybe having my childhood black belt re-evaluated at some point with modern standards.
MGPurple beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
You misunderstood me. I was joking about the fact that the question 'is there striking in BJJ?' opened a long discussion so let us not open the one where we ask, 'is uchi mata a judo or a jiu-jitsu technique?' I love karate. I think is profoundly misunderstood and misrepresented. These days I'm trying to find time to study it and train it regularly again, maybe having my childhood black belt re-evaluated at some point with modern standards.
I understood, I was also joking.
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I know enough judo, that it looks like I know what I'm doing. I can do decent randori with random judoka at bjj globetrotters camps, but my conditioning is shite and i usually collapse from exhaustion after a few minutes.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
YOU. CAN'T. TEACH. STANDUP. GRAPPLING. THE. SAME. WAY. TO. BEGINNING. ADULTS. AND. KIDS.
(I mean you can, but then you're going to end up with an empty class with possibly only a couple of enthusiasts who likely have good physical attributes or did either judo or wrestling when they were young.)
(I mean you can, but then you're going to end up with an empty class with possibly only a couple of enthusiasts who likely have good physical attributes or did either judo or wrestling when they were young.)
CBBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
The problem with wrestling is that if you didn’t do it in school, you’re kind of out of luck as finding regular wrestling training as an adult seems to be a difficult task.
In all honesty, I've noticed this with pretty much every stand-up style of grappling, at least in Germany. Even some adult classes at a lot of the Judo Clubs are about 50% playing football as a warm up. Outside of that, it's pretty much impossible to find a strong takedown school for adults. Sambo is practically non existent in most places and wrestling is mostly geared towards kids.
And in all honesty, I personally feel it's only half a solution. In the end, whatever you learn is going to have to be adapted to BJJ rules. Really wish more schools would focus on developing a systemized method of standup for BJJ that really harmonizes with our ground methodology.
And in all honesty, I personally feel it's only half a solution. In the end, whatever you learn is going to have to be adapted to BJJ rules. Really wish more schools would focus on developing a systemized method of standup for BJJ that really harmonizes with our ground methodology.
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SJBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
How comfortable are you with your standup?
Third class of judo back in 2005, somebody messed up my shoulder, which took me off the mats for seven months: I've avoided takedowns ever since. Meaning that not only in real life do I spend a lot of time lying down (hooray for couch + Netflix), same goes for mat life too.
JBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
YOU. CAN'T. TEACH. STANDUP. GRAPPLING. THE. SAME. WAY. TO. BEGINNING. ADULTS. AND. KIDS. (I mean you can, but then you're going to end up with an empty class with possibly only a couple of enthusiasts who likely have good physical attributes or did either judo or wrestling when they were young.)
For the kids we teach it like a wrestling program. Because it's not up to the kids whether they stay or not.
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