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5 year(s) ago • 1917 views • 48 replies

Kevin Outten
Kevin Outten
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified127 forum posts3570/1000
5 year(s) ago
Hey everyone,

So, I watched WNO last night. What are your thoughts on the athletes sitting immediately at the start of the match? For transparency, my takedowns are horrible, but I still prefer to start standing and try. Thanks!
Steven Zoll
Steven Zoll
Black belt 1st degreeVerified648 forum posts10510/1000
5 year(s) ago
I personally don't have a problem with it. I don't find competitors standing and clinching for 5 minutes any more entertaining. Everyone has to play towards their strengths.
Steven Zoll
Steven Zoll
Black belt 1st degreeVerified648 forum posts10510/1000
5 year(s) ago
I think sitting and guard jumping should be automatic DQs.
I think an automatic dq is extreme. I could see a points deduction in a points based competition though.
Matt Guyer
Matt Guyer
Purple beltVerified1133 forum posts23250/400
5 year(s) ago
I think an automatic dq is extreme. I could see a points deduction in a points based competition though.
I look at it this way, imagine you’re about to get into a bar fight and your first reaction is to sit on the floor or a confrontation on the street turns physical and you throw yourself on the person and wrap your legs around them, you’re getting DQ’d.
Chris Baker
Chris Baker
Brown beltVerified573 forum posts3175/700
5 year(s) ago
I think sitting and guard jumping should be automatic DQs.
If guard jumping is allowed, then they should allow slamming. Pretty sure you'd see a dramatic drop in people jumping guard then. ;-)
Steven Zoll
Steven Zoll
Black belt 1st degreeVerified648 forum posts10510/1000
5 year(s) ago
I look at it this way, imagine you’re about to get into a bar fight and your first reaction is to sit on the floor or a confrontation on the street turns physical and you throw yourself on the person and wrap your legs around them, you’re getting DQ’d.
Agreed that it would be stupid in a real life situation with NO RULES, but this is SPORT JJ. There are a lot of things people do in competition that they would not do in a real fight.
Steven Zoll
Steven Zoll
Black belt 1st degreeVerified648 forum posts10510/1000
5 year(s) ago
If guard jumping is allowed, then they should allow slamming. Pretty sure you'd see a dramatic drop in people jumping guard then. ;-)
The problem with slamming is the potential for head & neck injuries. I'd guess you'd have a lot fewer people willing to enter tournaments.
Matt Guyer
Matt Guyer
Purple beltVerified1133 forum posts23250/400
5 year(s) ago
The problem with slamming is the potential for head & neck injuries. I'd guess you'd have a lot fewer people willing to enter tournaments.
I had my knee dismantled and I’m permanently handicapped due to a guard jumper. If they want to jump, they should do so knowing they risk death. Fair play in my book. I might just be a little salty though.
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17315/1000
5 year(s) ago
I kinda like the supposed old-oldschool judo rules where lifting the persons shoulders from the ground to level of your shoulders gave points (wazari?).

Nowadays most guard pulls are open though...
Chris Baker
Chris Baker
Brown beltVerified573 forum posts3175/700
5 year(s) ago
The problem with slamming is the potential for head & neck injuries. I'd guess you'd have a lot fewer people willing to enter tournaments.
Firstly, guard jumping is one of the largest causes of injuries in BJJ, so that it is legal is honestly kind of surprising.

Secondly, I honestly this that after the first few people get slammed after guard jumping, people will stop doing it. When you this about it, the rules do encourage guard pulling and jumping because there is no downside really. The minute it's more trouble than it's worth, people will stop.
Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMasters
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1271 forum posts12800/1000
5 year(s) ago
I kinda like the supposed old-oldschool judo rules where lifting the persons shoulders from the ground to level of your shoulders gave points (wazari?). Nowadays most guard pulls are open though...
At least right now, in shiai competitions, you get stood back up (with no waza-ari) if your back comes off the ground. It was news to me too, when I had a tight triangle locked up on my opponent, he just lifted my shoulders of the ground and got a free start on his feet. He wound up beating me with a waza-ari from a throw. Damn. Lol.
Steven Zoll
Steven Zoll
Black belt 1st degreeVerified648 forum posts10510/1000
5 year(s) ago
Firstly, guard jumping is one of the largest causes of injuries in BJJ, so that it is legal is honestly kind of surprising. Secondly, I honestly this that after the first few people get slammed after guard jumping, people will stop doing it. When you this about it, the rules do encourage guard pulling and jumping because there is no downside really. The minute it's more trouble than it's worth, people will stop.
I could see getting rid of guard jumping, but not pulling guard. I still don't agree with slamming because it is done to more than those that jump guard. I've seen it done plenty of times when people can't brake out of closed guard or caught in a triangle or arm bar. At least in MMA, when a person gets slammed, the cage/ring floor has a little more give than a mat on concrete.

The other option is people just need to get better at passing guard and defending sweeps. :-)
Matt Guyer
Matt Guyer
Purple beltVerified1133 forum posts23250/400
5 year(s) ago
I could see getting rid of guard jumping, but not pulling guard. I still don't agree with slamming because it is done to more than those that jump guard. I've seen it done plenty of times when people can't brake out of closed guard or caught in a triangle or arm bar. At least in MMA, when a person gets slammed, the cage/ring floor has a little more give than a mat on concrete. The other option is people just need to get better at passing guard and defending sweeps. :-)
Guard pulling is okay in my book, but guard jumping or simply sitting down are a no go.
Brian Barlow
Brian Barlow
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified332 forum posts3055/1000
5 year(s) ago
Its the rule set. Do whatever the rules allow. I dont mind them sitting, if you dont like it pass their freekin gward.
Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1900 forum posts3635/1000
5 year(s) ago
I hate takedowns, giving or receiving. So if for some unfortunate reason I found myself competing again and the rules allowed, I would be looking to get on my butt as soon as possible.
Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1900 forum posts3635/1000
5 year(s) ago
Valhalla = fighting mega warriors, forever. Somehow, I don't think it's my scene. :P

My heaven would involve zero fighting, replaced with rainbows, squirrels and unicorns. Plus probably quite a lot of sitting. ;)
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
If I walk out onto a mat in a tournament and my opponent is wearing a Penn State singlet and he has two gnarled potatoes for ears I'm pulling guard.

If I'm walking down the street and a guy pops out telling me he's gonna kick my ass and he's earing a Penn State singlet and he has two gnarled potatoes for ears I'm pulling guard.

In either scenario it's simple risk management. My chances of getting hurt and/or ending up in a position I don't want to be in are higher if this person gets a chance to do what they are CLEARLY better at doing than I am.

So while I realize that is, for some weird reason, a super-controversial thing to say, I would like to remind everyone that I am training Judo, wrestling and Muay Thai and am probably in a better situation on my feet than the "average" BJJ person.
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
Valhalla = fighting mega warriors, forever. Somehow, I don't think it's my scene. :P My heaven would involve zero fighting, replaced with rainbows, squirrels and unicorns. Plus probably quite a lot of sitting. ;)
HA!
Matt Guyer
Matt Guyer
Purple beltVerified1133 forum posts23250/400
5 year(s) ago
If I'm walking down the street and a guy pops out telling me he's gonna kick my ass and he's wearing a Penn State singlet and he has two gnarled potatoes for ears I'm pulling guard.
I would throw myself to my back, pull out one of my guns, and drop that mf’er. Go Hawks!
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
I would throw myself to my back, pull out one of my guns, and drop that mf’er. Go Hawks!
LOL!
Philip Dunlap
Philip Dunlap
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified1043 forum posts59560/1000
5 year(s) ago
Not a fan of sitting if you pull guard with contact contact it's cool.. I feel that since you are sitting and conceding a takedown the other person should get the takedown points.. Now if it is no points sub only do what you want but the person standing should be under no obligation to engage untill he feels ready.. If his strategy toward you becomes avoid till overtime so be it..

That said I encourage ALL my opponents to sit as I much prefer being on top
R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4764 forum posts34325/1000
5 year(s) ago
To each their own.
I prefer them to engage standing and go through the progression of positions. With that said, they should play by the rule set.
If pulling is allowed and it gives you the chance to get the upper hand technically do it.
Thomas Mikel
Thomas Mikel
Black beltVerified24 forum posts1225/1000
5 year(s) ago
Its the rule set. Do whatever the rules allow. I dont mind them sitting, if you dont like it pass their freekin gward.
Exactly!
James Jones
James Jones
Black beltVerified1309 forum posts6475/1000
5 year(s) ago
Not a fan of sitting if you pull guard with contact contact it's cool.. I feel that since you are sitting and conceding a takedown the other person should get the takedown points.. Now if it is no points sub only do what you want but the person standing should be under no obligation to engage untill he feels ready.. If his strategy toward you becomes avoid till overtime so be it.. That said I encourage ALL my opponents to sit as I much prefer being on top
Playing guard requires a lot of energy. But getting a takedown requires even more energy and risk.

But if my opponent or training partner ever pull guard or go to a seated or combat base position I am immediately going to ankle pick them or pass their guard as that requires a lot less energy then all the above. Best of both worlds.

For me the goal is to be on top. I just prefer not to waste all my energy to get to that position.
Brandon Belew
Brandon Belew
Purple beltVerified107 forum posts1610/400
5 year(s) ago
Firstly, guard jumping is one of the largest causes of injuries in BJJ, so that it is legal is honestly kind of surprising. Secondly, I honestly this that after the first few people get slammed after guard jumping, people will stop doing it. When you this about it, the rules do encourage guard pulling and jumping because there is no downside really. The minute it's more trouble than it's worth, people will stop.
One perk of ultra heavy, gravity works against our attempt to jump guard.
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17315/1000
5 year(s) ago
Sitting down goes against all and any principle of martial arts.
Out of curiosity - which martial arts principles are those that it goes against?
Chris Baker
Chris Baker
Brown beltVerified573 forum posts3175/700
5 year(s) ago
Out of curiosity - which martial arts principles are those that it goes against?
Especially in a martial art known for its ground techniques and pulling guard. ;)

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