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Submissions that don't work in practice but somehow work in Tournaments.
5 year(s) ago • 2153 views • 8 replies
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
So I just had a strange thought. That seems like it should not be true but that maybe it is very rarely.
Yesterday I got a Lapel Ezekiel Choke from Side control against a Purple Belt.
I managed to trap his wrist with his lapel and hand it to my other hand behind his head, hoping he would try to pull his arm out and when he did I just put my first in at the same time and across and extended while going knee on belly.
I never thought this would actually work in a tournament against higher level belts. But it did.
The thing I have noticed in practice a lot of the time is people are smart to it and won't remove their elbow right away out of panic as there is no actual reason for them to panic...it's just practice. There is no rush or real concern. But in a tournament there is this exaggerated rush and concern that might possibly allow a technique like this to work better in a tournament than actual practice?
And yes I know when you practice with people they get use to what your doing and so on but I actually mean say you were practicing with a stranger that doesn't know your every move and then think about the question I am asking.
Does this make any sense? Are there any other submissions like this that may not work that great in practice but work better in tournaments?
Yesterday I got a Lapel Ezekiel Choke from Side control against a Purple Belt.
I managed to trap his wrist with his lapel and hand it to my other hand behind his head, hoping he would try to pull his arm out and when he did I just put my first in at the same time and across and extended while going knee on belly.
I never thought this would actually work in a tournament against higher level belts. But it did.
The thing I have noticed in practice a lot of the time is people are smart to it and won't remove their elbow right away out of panic as there is no actual reason for them to panic...it's just practice. There is no rush or real concern. But in a tournament there is this exaggerated rush and concern that might possibly allow a technique like this to work better in a tournament than actual practice?
And yes I know when you practice with people they get use to what your doing and so on but I actually mean say you were practicing with a stranger that doesn't know your every move and then think about the question I am asking.
Does this make any sense? Are there any other submissions like this that may not work that great in practice but work better in tournaments?
MMBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
The thing about practice is people get accustomed to your game. It’s safe to say this would be expected.
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
The thing about practice is people get accustomed to your game. It’s safe to say this would be expected.
reread the entire post
SFBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
...Lapel Ezekiel Choke from Side control ... I managed to trap his wrist with his lapel and hand it to my other hand behind his head, hoping he would try to pull his arm out and when he did I just put my first in at the same time and across and extended...
I've recently started using exactly this sub and no one else at my gym has really seen it. They do pull their arm out though because I use that same setup to go to a mounted triangle or just wrist-lock the trapped arm.
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've recently started using exactly this sub and no one else at my gym has really seen it. They do pull their arm out though because I use that same setup to go to a mounted triangle or just wrist-lock the trapped arm.
I've recently got to where I love the mounted triangle unless the guy is over 220 pounds lol
Didn't think of the wrist lock from that position. Good idea
Didn't think of the wrist lock from that position. Good idea
SFBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've recently got to where I love the mounted triangle unless the guy is over 220 pounds lol Didn't think of the wrist lock from that position. Good idea
Yeah, I popped my own ankle once rolling a big guy over it in a mounted triangle, not fun.
I picked up the ezekiel and wrist lock options from this video: https://www.youtube.com/w[...]i7P7D3Ae-E
I picked up the ezekiel and wrist lock options from this video: https://www.youtube.com/w[...]i7P7D3Ae-E
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yeah, I popped my own ankle once rolling a big guy over it in a mounted triangle, not fun. I picked up the ezekiel and wrist lock options from this video: https://www.youtube.com/w[...]i7P7D3Ae-E
That's a really good video thank you.
Def going to try that wrist lock, also like the other variation from S mount at the end.
Def going to try that wrist lock, also like the other variation from S mount at the end.
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
And found this video of the match where I got the lapel ezekiel choke.
Apparently I actually left the arm trapped inside the lapel for the finish, Curious if you think leaving the arm in is better or not? Or just whatever they give you.
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]GxbpUHFalE
Apparently I actually left the arm trapped inside the lapel for the finish, Curious if you think leaving the arm in is better or not? Or just whatever they give you.
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]GxbpUHFalE
SFBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I only started using this setup recently, so I'm no expert. I think it's better with the arm out, but I've also finished it with the arm in so I don't know that it matters much.
