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What do you call this submission?
5 year(s) ago • 2514 views • 19 replies
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]iepIK7MhFo
Just curious as I have no idea what to even call it.
It's kind of a near side arm triangle but also cross my wrists under and then applying pressure. Didn't really even have to sprawl and walk clockwise the guy tapped fast. But that is normally what I do to finish.
Modified Near-side Arm Triangle? I am sure someone has a better name for it.
Just curious as I have no idea what to even call it.
It's kind of a near side arm triangle but also cross my wrists under and then applying pressure. Didn't really even have to sprawl and walk clockwise the guy tapped fast. But that is normally what I do to finish.
Modified Near-side Arm Triangle? I am sure someone has a better name for it.
MCBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Nice one.
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Nice one.
Thank you. I just am curious if there is some fancy name for it as I am OCD and want to make sure I call it whatever it is suppose to be called. lol
Probably some sorta catch wrestling or judo shenanigans.
Probably some sorta catch wrestling or judo shenanigans.
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MCBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
It looks like some Brabo choke variation (https://youtu.be/CUdhyLuoLtQ). I wouldn't call it an arm triangle since your choking arm isn't very deep. There's an arm triangle that looks similar, though.
MCBlack beltVerified
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I have tried that from the first video but I stopped doing it as I find it harder to maintain control switching the grips like that. I normally won't go for that unless a guy is being very relaxed and calm. Most people in tournaments spaz out and are very good at creating any space if you give them any room at all to move so I find switching the grips rather difficult lol. But if you can get that variation it is super tight.
In the 2nd video I will do something similar from reverse kesa as I am stepping over from reverse kesa side control to mount to get the arm triangle and continuing to pass over to the other side control. But that is more of a traditional arm triangle when I do that. I only do that though normally if I am passing someones guard with a knee slice and they start to ghost escape forcing me to control their hips going straight into reverse kesa I will go for that set up.
In the 2nd video I will do something similar from reverse kesa as I am stepping over from reverse kesa side control to mount to get the arm triangle and continuing to pass over to the other side control. But that is more of a traditional arm triangle when I do that. I only do that though normally if I am passing someones guard with a knee slice and they start to ghost escape forcing me to control their hips going straight into reverse kesa I will go for that set up.
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MCBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
When I get that grip on the lapel I usually go for a bat choke or a cross/brabo choke. And if I manage to trap the arm like that I'd go for a D'arce.
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Yea I use to try all sorts of submissions from the lapel grip and found them all to be kinda low percentage so I started trapping the wrist and just going for lapel ezekiel chokes like in this video https://www.youtube.com/w[...]GxbpUHFalE Normally I let them remove their hand then go for it but it was still trapped here. I have found this to be the highest percentage for me personally and if I can't get it I will go to smount and put my foot on their bicep and then go for it and then finally if i can't get that ill try to get a gift wrap and take their back at least in the Gi.
I love going for anacondas and darces in nogi but find them harder to get in gi at least against the heavyweights lol their shoulder span is to damn big. I end up having to go for like modified peruvian bow and arrow chokes in the gi.
How do you get your darce from that position exactly? I normally can't even get a bolt cutter grip on the guys I face let alone a darce. Maybe I have short arms lol
I love going for anacondas and darces in nogi but find them harder to get in gi at least against the heavyweights lol their shoulder span is to damn big. I end up having to go for like modified peruvian bow and arrow chokes in the gi.
How do you get your darce from that position exactly? I normally can't even get a bolt cutter grip on the guys I face let alone a darce. Maybe I have short arms lol
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MCBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I like that Ezekiel, too. D'arces and so on are definitely easier to get in no gi, but they're always an option. I like grabbing my sleeve as in a regular Ezekiel when I'm going for the D'arce in the gi as it kind of helps me secure the guy in place. Sometimes I don't even need to get my hand on the biceps to finish the choke.
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I like that Ezekiel, too. D'arces and so on are definitely easier to get in no gi, but they're always an option. I like grabbing my sleeve as in a regular Ezekiel when I'm going for the D'arce in the gi as it kind of helps me secure the guy in place. Sometimes I don't even need to get my hand on the biceps to finish the choke.
I'll have to play around and see if I can get some Darces from that position
MCBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I'll try the Jones on Monday
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've heard it called the iron coffin or smth?
BDBlue beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I've known it as The Demoraliser
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
On another post I've seen about 20 names for it. So I have given up on getting an "official" agreed upon name. lol
But at least I have a lot of youtube videos to watch this week of different variations and set ups.
But at least I have a lot of youtube videos to watch this week of different variations and set ups.
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
The hug of death.
FFBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I used it a lot when I was a purple belt and in the gym they used to call it "Francesco choke". The set up was from top side control, baiting them into escaping, and catching the arm while switching side. I never swag'd scratching my nose to underline how much I was in control though.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
5 year(s) ago
I never swag'd scratching my nose to underline how much I was in control though.
That's the key detail that makes it a true "jones".
JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
I used it a lot when I was a purple belt and in the gym they used to call it 'Francesco choke'. The set up was from top side control, baiting them into escaping, and catching the arm while switching side. I never swag'd scratching my nose to underline how much I was in control though.
You also have to fix your hair first. It's fix your hair, pick your nose, then stick it on their head as the prequel to the submission.
I get bored in the heavyweight matches most of the time. It's the little guys that keep me entertained in the absolute divisions. Those young 18 to 22 year old lightweights are way better than most of the older heavyweights I face.
This 150 pounder tried to berimbolo me and I almost started laughing as I weighed about 210 last Saturday and there was no way he was going to take my back. But the speed they have is dangerous. I worry about speed way more than the aggressive strong guys. Most of the aggressive strong guys end up quitting before they get purple. But if they make it to brown then they become a marvel villain.
I get bored in the heavyweight matches most of the time. It's the little guys that keep me entertained in the absolute divisions. Those young 18 to 22 year old lightweights are way better than most of the older heavyweights I face.
This 150 pounder tried to berimbolo me and I almost started laughing as I weighed about 210 last Saturday and there was no way he was going to take my back. But the speed they have is dangerous. I worry about speed way more than the aggressive strong guys. Most of the aggressive strong guys end up quitting before they get purple. But if they make it to brown then they become a marvel villain.
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RMBrown beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Our coach called that trapped-arm position "the catch". He showed it primarily as a control position, but of course it's relatively straightforward to apply some extra squeeze and get the tap there too. The first time I ever saw it was in an Erik Paulson lock flow video years ago.
Edit: The first one here: https://youtu.be/Y_B7Wd4LF28. The leg grab is a nice detail I actually completely forgot about.
Edit: The first one here: https://youtu.be/Y_B7Wd4LF28. The leg grab is a nice detail I actually completely forgot about.
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JJBlack beltVerified
5 year(s) ago
Our coach called that trapped-arm position 'the catch'. He showed it primarily as a control position, but of course it's relatively straightforward to apply some extra squeeze and get the tap there too. The first time I ever saw it was in an Erik Paulson lock flow video years ago. Edit: The first one here: https://youtu.be/Y_B7Wd4LF28. The leg grab is a nice detail I actually completely forgot about.
I like anything that is low risk and low energy, a lot of catch stuff from side control falls into that category
