Sambo has a much bigger focus on the takedown game than BJJ does. As most places teach BJJ nowadays, they would not do well, in my humble opinion.

Yeah, but that's not something a casual who probably only sees sambo during the Olympics will understand. To them that's the same thing as the judo ippon.

You have a point. Though, I honestly feel celebrating Sam of getting into the Olympics is both a little premature, and also unwarranted. Given that both wrestling and judo almost got cut from the Olympics until they made significant rule changes because they were too hard for casual observers to distinguish from each other, I think Sambo would also require significant changes before they are allowed into the games. And if we have to change Sambo considerably to get it in the Olympics,is it really still Sambo?

Judo made rule changes to deal with passivity. While the leg grab rules were argued by some to differentiate from wrestling, and that may have been an influencing factor, the 'official' line is that it was because poorly executed single and double legs allowed an individual to continue 'attacking' so they couldn't be called for passivity, but a shot from too far outside in the jacket is easy to stuff by someone who knows how so you end up in a state where they're not being passive but what they're doing has an almost 0% chance of success.

Judo changed the rules because they were losing to wrestlers with no Judo experience.

Judo changed the rules because they were losing to wrestlers with no Judo experience.

no lies detected. I honestly always Seemed ridiculous to institute a rule that effectively bans a technique the founder of judo explicitly added to the curriculum due to his own interest in wrestling (the fireman's carry).

Can you cite some events where this notably happened or athletes that exemplified it? It's a common argument I've heard, but I don't recall anyone ruining everyone with outside shots in the pre-2010 rules. Typically the things I'm used to seeing would be clumsy attempts that forced someone out of bounds at best or follow-ups like we're allowed from 2010-2013 (such as closing distance with ouchi and then grabbing the leg as they stepped out). The 2013 rules in particular were definitely about making referees lives easier. It was brutal determining when a valid attempt at an attack had happened to justify the leg grab as a counter or combination.

You do realize that at the high level most shots are taken from a tie-up, right? In Freestyle Judo you can't attack the legs unless you have a grip which makes more sense when wearing a gi anyway. For your reading pleasure: https://magazine.fighttim[...]nged-judo/

Kata guruma wasn't added out of Kano's interest in wrestling but that it was something he found in a wrestling book while trying to look outside jujutsu to throw Fukushima Kanekichi when everything else he tried hadn't worked. That's not to say he didn't appreciate wrestling, but it's disingenuous to claim it's included out of his interest so much as he found the technique in a book and it was effective against a larger and more skilled training partner.

What would you call taking a technique from wrestling and adding it to your style if not due to your interest in the technique? No one was holding a gun to kano's head to put it in there, he did it himself.

I'm willing to provide the IJF/USA Judo explanation because I'm certified as a regional level referee with USA Judo so it's what I have experience with. Personally, I buy the 2010 argument that it was done to sate the IOC far more. I don't trust your speculative argument because you haven't provided any evidence whatsoever that it was because of wrestlers though. If you want to change your statement to be that it was to secure medals for France/Japan/Korea instead, that's a different discussion we can have, but as outlined above, the results and timeline don't really make sense to even speculate that it was to screw over Russia.

I was giving one example. I don't think they want to 'screw over Russia'. I think they hated wrestlers beating them. Here's another article: https://www.bjjee.com/vid[...]wrestling/ (This is a BJJ site so it's biased)

I think Sambo would also require significant changes before they are allowed into the games. And if we have to change Sambo considerably to get it in the Olympics,is it really still Sambo?

I don't think you're being rude. You're clearly extremely educated on Judo. I am certainly not as educated. I am, primarily, going on anecdotal evidence of what I have heard through the years. I will continue my search efforts for validation of these stories. But it's also very difficult to but the story that Judo wanted to distance itself from wrestling by removing the leg attacks because that's now nearly identical to Greco-Roman which is also in the Olympics. If you actually want to distance yourself from wrestling you would remove Osaekomi-waza which encourages people to go their stomachs just like in wrestling.

I think we're on the same page regarding the 'distancing itself from wrestling' aspect. I just think we have different understandings of why/how it was trying to do that. From my perspective they were very much trying to distance themselves from FILA because of the perception that if wrestling remained a different one of the 26 core sports could be cut in its place.

Judo changed the rules because they were losing to wrestlers with no Judo experience.

Specifically to the Mongolians who have some crazy unorthodox leg grabbing techniques. The Japanese hated that other countries were taking medals away from some of their stars.

This lines up with the types of things I have heard as well.

They banned choking with own lapel when Yarden Gerbi was too succesful with it :/