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Clubs that don't roll / spar

5 year(s) ago • 2914 views • 27 replies

David Buhagiar
David Buhagiar
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified34 forum posts1750/1000
5 year(s) ago
It was recently brought to my attention by members of my club that there might be a club in our area that doesn't allow their members to roll / spar. No, I am not 100% guaranteed that this rumour is true. But it does raise the question if it is true is it more common that I am aware of? Has anyone else empierced this?
Steven Zoll
Steven Zoll
Black belt 1st degreeVerified648 forum posts10510/1000
5 year(s) ago
I've heard there is a gym like that near me as well. I don't recall the name of the gym. They also don't allow their students to visit other gyms and don't accept drop-in visitors.
Joe Wheeler
Joe Wheeler
Purple beltVerified18 forum posts740/400
5 year(s) ago
Our local school we weren’t allowed to stay for open mat after class until we had been there for 3 months. I think this was to try and keep people from getting hurt.
Ben Shaw
Ben Shaw
Black belt 1st degreeVerified61 forum posts1460/1000
5 year(s) ago
It was recently brought to my attention by members of my club that there might be a club in our area that doesn't allow their members to roll / spar. No, I am not 100% guaranteed that this rumour is true. But it does raise the question if it is true is it more common that I am aware of? Has anyone else empierced this?
for new people or for students in general? I vaguely recall Rigan's celebrity program doesn't have rolling but I never did the research to follow that up.
David Buhagiar
David BuhagiarOP
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified34 forum posts1750/1000
5 year(s) ago
for new people or for students in general? I vaguely recall Rigan's celebrity program doesn't have rolling but I never did the research to follow that up.
You see this I don't know. I suspect it is in general but I don't want to spout definitive information I don't have.
Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMasters
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1272 forum posts12800/1000
5 year(s) ago
Is theoretical BJJ still BJJ? How many blue belts (or higher rank) works you vouch for on here if you knew they NEVER sparred. Ever.
Deepu
Deepu
Black beltVerified547 forum posts6410/1000
5 year(s) ago
for new people or for students in general? I vaguely recall Rigan's celebrity program doesn't have rolling but I never did the research to follow that up.
I heard this too. Or if they spar it is very controlled. Hollywood black belts!
Drew Brunning
Drew Brunning
Black beltVerified235 forum posts3190/1000
5 year(s) ago
I'm aware of clubs that don't allow rolling until a certain belt level - they restrict newer students or the fundamentals class to drilling and positional at most. Having said that, I've never heard of a club doing no rolling for anyone whatsoever. That would be... off-putting.
Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1900 forum posts3635/1000
5 year(s) ago
If a club isn't rolling, then they aren't training BJJ. Not allowing people to free spar until a certain level I can understand: if they're at least specific/positional sparring (i.e., one person passes, the other person sweeps/submits from closed guard, resetting if either achieves their goal), then that's ok.

Personally, I have everybody able to free spar from day one.
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
It was recently brought to my attention by members of my club that there might be a club in our area that doesn't allow their members to roll / spar. No, I am not 100% guaranteed that this rumour is true. But it does raise the question if it is true is it more common that I am aware of? Has anyone else empierced this?
Unless you visit to verify it's pure speculation and irrelevant.
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
I'm aware of clubs that don't allow rolling until a certain belt level - they restrict newer students or the fundamentals class to drilling and positional at most.
I hear of people doing this these days and I don't get it. Is this a marketing trick?
Steven Garman
Steven Garman
Black belt 1st degreeVerified20 forum posts2980/1000
5 year(s) ago
Ive heard of this for new students, I dont think it is necessarily a bad idea to hold off on sparing until you get a few stripes.
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
Ive heard of this for new students, I dont think it is necessarily a bad idea to hold off on sparing until you get a few stripes.
Why?
Steven Garman
Steven Garman
Black belt 1st degreeVerified20 forum posts2980/1000
5 year(s) ago
Why?
Not advocating for it, but I don't think it's the worst idea to hold off until you at least understand _some_ jiu jitsu (not including positional sparring).
Miguel Casañas
Miguel Casañas
Black beltVerified40 forum posts2050/1000
5 year(s) ago
Ive heard of this for new students, I dont think it is necessarily a bad idea to hold off on sparing until you get a few stripes.
Why do you need stripes to roll? Just teach them the basics and let them have fun like everyone else.
Ben Shaw
Ben Shaw
Black belt 1st degreeVerified61 forum posts1460/1000
5 year(s) ago
I’ll add my 2 cents (since I didn’t in my previous post) and say that I think we should encourage new students to roll. For the existing students it’s a great opportunity to test yourself against a very realistic training partner (someone with little to no grappling experience) and for the new students it’s a chance to experience the fact that you really don’t know anything coming off the street.

When I started bjj training this was my experience- day 1 rolling with an experienced training partner (so he understood safety and control) who was smaller and lighter than me. Getting absolutely destroyed showed me how real bjj is.
Steven Garman
Steven Garman
Black belt 1st degreeVerified20 forum posts2980/1000
5 year(s) ago
Why do you need stripes to roll? Just teach them the basics and let them have fun like everyone else.
I agree! I think some people just take the "Teach them the basics" a littler further. I dont disagree with it, not my preference though.
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
Not advocating for it, but I don't think it's the worst idea to hold off until you at least understand _some_ jiu jitsu (not including positional sparring).
But why? What's the reasoning?
Harley Smith
Harley Smith
Brown beltVerified65 forum posts920/700
5 year(s) ago
Let them roll, at least from knees. If you are worried about injury make them roll with colored belts that can control themselves.

Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
Let them roll, at least from knees. If you are worried about injury make them roll with colored belts that can control themselves.
This makes sense to me.
James Jones
James Jones
Black beltVerified1309 forum posts6475/1000
5 year(s) ago
The only dangerous thing is two brand new white belts that don't know what's dangerous trying to extend fully locked armbars/kimuras etc and so on at full speed and not knowing any better. Just don't let 2 white belts with less than 2 weeks training go ham on each other. Other then that let them roll and match them up with someone who has at least a couple months of training.
Miguel Casañas
Miguel Casañas
Black beltVerified40 forum posts2050/1000
5 year(s) ago
A new guy came yesterday to our gym and the instructor wasn't there so I was in charge. I explained to him what the goals are in BJJ, some frequent positions you might find yourself in and a few basic techniques. At the end of the class I told him: if anything hurts or you just want to stop for some reason just tap. And then we rolled.

As others have said, I think it's safe for a new guy to roll with someone relatively experienced and also it might be an eye opener for those who have never practised martial arts. I always let them go a little crazy, use all their strength (it's all they have at this point anyway) while I try to control and submit them in the easiest and most technical way I can. I think it can be motivating and a good lesson. I might be wrong, though.
Joemoplata
Joemoplata
Black belt 4th degreeVerified762 forum posts3915/1000
5 year(s) ago
A new guy came yesterday to our gym and the instructor wasn't there so I was in charge. I explained to him what the goals are in BJJ, some frequent positions you might find yourself in and a few basic techniques. At the end of the class I told him: if anything hurts or you just want to stop for some reason just tap. And then we rolled. As others have said, I think it's safe for a new guy to roll with someone relatively experienced and also it might be an eye opener for those who have never practised martial arts. I always let them go a little crazy, use all their strength (it's all they have at this point anyway) while I try to control and submit them in the easiest and most technical way I can. I think it can be motivating and a good lesson. I might be wrong, though.
This was how we have always done it in the 23 years or whatever I have been training. New guy goes with the experienced students who mostly just work with them and let them see they can't do much. Their safety is in the hands of the experienced person.
William Murphy
William Murphy
Black belt 5th degreeVerified2143 forum posts25730/1000
5 year(s) ago
Drillers are killers.

Unless they do not have a lot of experience rolling or sparring with live resistance, or graduated levels of resistance.

Then they tend to get beat up a lot, when they get into fights, or try to apply their techniques are a resisting opponent.

Exceptions made for sucker punches, and lucky shots, of course.

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