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Counter to the Folder Pass
4 year(s) ago • 1392 views • 14 replies
Brown beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
Anyone have any good tips and tricks to counter this pass (Folder Pass)? Include a video link if you find/have one. Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]YoaDXDE7zQ
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]YoaDXDE7zQ
Black beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
Don't let the head get too far down and push it to the opposite side with your free arm. Before stage 3 in the video you posted where his head is down and he is about to control the arm. Good video by the way, I like how he breaks down the stages. Once he's got his head nice and low, things are getting too late.
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
Anyone have any good tips and tricks to counter this pass (Folder Pass)? Include a video link if you find/have one. Thanks https://www.youtube.com/w[...]YoaDXDE7zQ
Any good guard pass typically relies on the immobilization of your opponent's hips, so in the old-school bjj instructor way, I'll just tell you to simply not let him control your hips in any way. Haha.
Personally though, if I accidentally miss that rule, I will say that butterfly hooks are your best friend.
Personally though, if I accidentally miss that rule, I will say that butterfly hooks are your best friend.
LeonardoOP
Brown beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
Don't let the head get too far down and push it to the opposite side with your free arm. Before stage 3 in the video you posted where his head is down and he is about to control the arm. Good video by the way, I like how he breaks down the stages. Once he's got his head nice and low, things are getting too late.
Thanks. Yeah that's kinda what I've been doing. Was wondering of the part when it is about to be too late, opponent just bulls through it to get the pass.
Thanks
Thanks
Black beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
I have been teaching/using a sit up escape to wrestle up from the position. Maybe it will help.
Similar concept:
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]_29cthRl-I
Similar concept:
https://www.youtube.com/w[...]_29cthRl-I
Edited 4 year(s) ago
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
I have been teaching/using a sit up escape to wrestle up from the position. Maybe it will help
There's this super tall, super strong, "nogi-only" viking dude who shows up to our open mats and he's pretty good at just stiff-arming my little punk ass away from him, but otherwise I'm able to use a variation of this pass on a lot of people. Way easier for the passer, assuming you get the grips.
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
I use this pass a ton and the most common response I get is them framing/posting on my chest/shoulders, getting up on their far arm (hand or elbow) and scooting their hips back to recover butterfly guard.
LeonardoOP
Brown beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
I use this pass a ton and the most common response I get is them framing/posting on my chest/shoulders, getting up on their far arm (hand or elbow) and scooting their hips back to recover butterfly guard.
Interesting. Going to try that. Thanks
LeonardoOP
Brown beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
I have been teaching/using a sit up escape to wrestle up from the position. Maybe it will help. Similar concept: https://www.youtube.com/w[...]_29cthRl-I
That’s cool. Thanks.
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
I'll just tell you to simply not let him control your hips in any way. Haha.
Also known as
"If you have a question about jiu jitsu then 90% of the answers are in your ass."
(Heard it from late Karl Tanswell but it also might be originally a Matt Thornton's, Chris Haueter's or someone else's quote)
"If you have a question about jiu jitsu then 90% of the answers are in your ass."
(Heard it from late Karl Tanswell but it also might be originally a Matt Thornton's, Chris Haueter's or someone else's quote)
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
Also known as 'If you have a question about jiu jitsu then 90% of the answers are in your ass.' (Heard it from late Karl Tanswell but it also might be originally a Matt Thornton's, Chris Haueter's or someone else's quote)
pricelessly true :-D
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
As Kurt Osiander would say: "You fucked up a long time ago."
Get off your back asap and do not allow your knees disconnect from your elbows, keep that "shell" closed.
But if you are in trouble already, try to close the shell and sit up or alternatively pull opponent on you to close it. You will end up with a butterfly guard with overhook(s).
If you are even deeper in trouble anf the guy is already passing then use short frames with sideways movements (shrimping/scooting) to build bigger frames and angle out back to guard. And like others have said you could use that to wrestle up.
Just my two (or three) cents.
Get off your back asap and do not allow your knees disconnect from your elbows, keep that "shell" closed.
But if you are in trouble already, try to close the shell and sit up or alternatively pull opponent on you to close it. You will end up with a butterfly guard with overhook(s).
If you are even deeper in trouble anf the guy is already passing then use short frames with sideways movements (shrimping/scooting) to build bigger frames and angle out back to guard. And like others have said you could use that to wrestle up.
Just my two (or three) cents.
Black beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
As Kurt Osiander would say: 'You fucked up a long time ago.' Get off your back asap and do not allow your knees disconnect from your elbows, keep that 'shell' closed. But if you are in trouble already, try to close the shell and sit up or alternatively pull opponent on you to close it. You will end up with a butterfly guard with overhook(s). If you are even deeper in trouble anf the guy is already passing then use short frames with sideways movements (shrimping/scooting) to build bigger frames and angle out back to guard. And like others have said you could use that to wrestle up. Just my two (or three) cents.
Ditto that... If you getting passed like that a lot, its usually because you screwed up way earlier.
When passing I teach my students it's like climbing a ladder, the inverse is also true with guard maintenance and retention.
It all starts with effectively establishing grips and frames. In simple terms points of connection.
1) If you getting flattered out, never let your opponent get the farside underhook. If you get the undergook you can often wrestle up or come to a dog fight position.
2) Don't be flat on your back, try get onto your side always, it helps free your hips to move.
3) Defend the near side cross face, the crossface is a flattener, if you don't give away head control and the far side under hook, you still in with a chance.
4) If you are getting flattened, pushing your opponents head to the same side their hips are and preventing them from from controlling the center line, you can usually shrimp escape then and recover guard.
5) Try build up a post with the bottom arm when you on your side. Almost like you getting into a Turkish Get Up position, frame and then butt scoot back to clear your knee line. You should be in butterfly guard then.
There are many was to prevent getting into these situations, but the important thing is to start the defense early. The best defense is pre-emptive.
Jason Scully actually did a really cool video on keeping your opponent in your headlights, it's on YouTube, it's worth a watch. But there is lots of good content out there.
https://youtu.be/BpZGKHXjef0
When passing I teach my students it's like climbing a ladder, the inverse is also true with guard maintenance and retention.
It all starts with effectively establishing grips and frames. In simple terms points of connection.
1) If you getting flattered out, never let your opponent get the farside underhook. If you get the undergook you can often wrestle up or come to a dog fight position.
2) Don't be flat on your back, try get onto your side always, it helps free your hips to move.
3) Defend the near side cross face, the crossface is a flattener, if you don't give away head control and the far side under hook, you still in with a chance.
4) If you are getting flattened, pushing your opponents head to the same side their hips are and preventing them from from controlling the center line, you can usually shrimp escape then and recover guard.
5) Try build up a post with the bottom arm when you on your side. Almost like you getting into a Turkish Get Up position, frame and then butt scoot back to clear your knee line. You should be in butterfly guard then.
There are many was to prevent getting into these situations, but the important thing is to start the defense early. The best defense is pre-emptive.
Jason Scully actually did a really cool video on keeping your opponent in your headlights, it's on YouTube, it's worth a watch. But there is lots of good content out there.
https://youtu.be/BpZGKHXjef0
Black belt 1st degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
I used to watch Scully's content alot. Haven't really seen any new stuff pop up in a long while. I guess the business is doing well and there's no time to share the free love. :D Grappler's Guide has a lot more subscribers now, holy sh!t!
LeonardoOP
Brown beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
Ditto that... If you getting passed like that a lot, its usually because you screwed up way earlier. When passing I teach my students it's like climbing a ladder, the inverse is also true with guard maintenance and retention. It all starts with effectively establishing grips and frames. In simple terms points of connection. 1) If you getting flattered out, never let your opponent get the farside underhook. If you get the undergook you can often wrestle up or come to a dog fight position. 2) Don't be flat on your back, try get onto your side always, it helps free your hips to move. 3) Defend the near side cross face, the crossface is a flattener, if you don't give away head control and the far side under hook, you still in with a chance. 4) If you are getting flattened, pushing your opponents head to the same side their hips are and preventing them from from controlling the center line, you can usually shrimp escape then and recover guard. 5) Try build up a post with the bottom arm when you on your side. Almost like you getting into a Turkish Get Up position, frame and then butt scoot back to clear your knee line. You should be in butterfly guard then. There are many was to prevent getting into these situations, but the important thing is to start the defense early. The best defense is pre-emptive. Jason Scully actually did a really cool video on keeping your opponent in your headlights, it's on YouTube, it's worth a watch. But there is lots of good content out there. https://youtu.be/BpZGKHXjef0
Cool. Thanks


