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"BJJ" sylabus by JJIF
4 year(s) ago • 2971 views • 18 replies
RRBrown beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
Any of you guys have any experience with this? If not, what are your opinion of what you see?
https://jjif.sport/wp-con[...]ok_v11.pdf
https://jjif.sport/wp-con[...]ok_v11.pdf
JPurple beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
A good général guide, but I can’t say that just because I know all the blue belt techniques that I’m now a purple belt. This being said it would be a good conversation organizer for a coach and a student to identify areas of improvement for advancing I guess.
BZBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
The idea behind this is honest, but BJJ is so big that you can't really doing this, this way....
Years ago i had the idea of making some kind of program with points for belt testing, so i tryed to count for exemple halfguard techniques that i know and that i teach, with variations i stop after a few minutes because there are hundred, and the whole thing is evolving every week so....
Years ago i had the idea of making some kind of program with points for belt testing, so i tryed to count for exemple halfguard techniques that i know and that i teach, with variations i stop after a few minutes because there are hundred, and the whole thing is evolving every week so....
AAWhite beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
People like a curriculum; especially those starting on the journey. Having a path mapped out can be a huge help in understanding what you need to focus on. However if it is too rigid and specific, you make it difficult for those that may not be able to to a technique because of injury or body type.
The test for blue belt at my school has nothing to do with specific techniques. The test consists of 25 "scenarios" i.e. escape from Mount, submission from side control, take down your opponent...etc.
For each of the 25 Scenarios you need to have 2 techniques that you can execute with confidence. This allows the athlete to select and develop techniques that are best suited to their abilities and body type while still covering skills that one needs on the mat.
I think this allows for a good balance of a curriculum and allowing space for the student to develop within the art.
The test for blue belt at my school has nothing to do with specific techniques. The test consists of 25 "scenarios" i.e. escape from Mount, submission from side control, take down your opponent...etc.
For each of the 25 Scenarios you need to have 2 techniques that you can execute with confidence. This allows the athlete to select and develop techniques that are best suited to their abilities and body type while still covering skills that one needs on the mat.
I think this allows for a good balance of a curriculum and allowing space for the student to develop within the art.
RPBlack belt 6th degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Any of you guys have any experience with this? If not, what are your opinion of what you see? https://jjif.sport/wp-con[...]ok_v11.pdf
It is an IBJJF rip off basically
Hence to be mentioned that sports jiu jitsu was organized in an earlier stage
1993 first worlds in fighting and duo
ne waza - bjj was added a few years ago
But they are still struggling to get organized accordingly to suit the level of IBJJF
Hence to be mentioned that sports jiu jitsu was organized in an earlier stage
1993 first worlds in fighting and duo
ne waza - bjj was added a few years ago
But they are still struggling to get organized accordingly to suit the level of IBJJF
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Let me be the first one to say...
WHAT THE "!#€!"€% is THIS?
"Face to face intimidation: going to guillotine."
Take my belts away because I have no idea what this is AND I DON'T WANT TO KNOW.
"Displaying technique by syllabus." is a BACKWARDS way to teach and learn martial arts / combat sports.
Could you imagine awarding ANY rank in ANY other sport like that?
Display short pass, long pass, penalty at line and you get a blue belt at SOCCER as EVIDENCE that you are any good at soccer?
WHAT THE "!#€!"€% is THIS?
"Face to face intimidation: going to guillotine."
Take my belts away because I have no idea what this is AND I DON'T WANT TO KNOW.
"Displaying technique by syllabus." is a BACKWARDS way to teach and learn martial arts / combat sports.
Could you imagine awarding ANY rank in ANY other sport like that?
Display short pass, long pass, penalty at line and you get a blue belt at SOCCER as EVIDENCE that you are any good at soccer?
CBBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
JJIF had nothing to with Jiu Jitsu or Bjj as we know it until they saw an opportunity to get some $$$ by serving as an international federation for some places where a real federation is required for the sports legality.
GFBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I browsed through and these stood out :
white : Grab in the hair defense
brown : Worm guard
black : Face to face intimidation: elbow strike, headbutt, and bear hug takedown
also the core values: these are not bad per se, but I'm not keen on any sort of high-priests judging these in others. It's also bland in the same way that most corporate statement are. Again I see where it's coming from and Kano Jigoro himself had a great line about this...
「技から道に入る」わけです。
through Waza we Enter the Way (of being a good human being contributing to society)
I kinda see where all this is coming from, but implementing and scoring and judging will always be bottlenecks.
curriculum; we all have different takes on what the fundamentals are, but there's bound to be a lot of overlap.
I like Lachlan's approach with SubMeta, apparently he individually tells students what they need to work on given where they are at, in a reverse-classroom set-up.
also scenarios rather than specifics seems like it makes more sense :
"show me 3/5/7 ways to escape from side/mount/back"
"3/5/7 submissions from same"
etc.
rather than : "you cannot do wormguard?! give your brown belt back!"
I like reverse de la worm and other lapel guards, I find them much stronger than Spider Guard stuff and much easier on my fingers.
in short : probably good intentions but arbitrary.
Edit : Goodhart's law - "when a measure becomes a target it ceases to be a good measure"
I kinda like the vagueness of the belt system.
Then we could have a separate Elo ranking of sorts, even if just in our heads ^^
white : Grab in the hair defense
brown : Worm guard
black : Face to face intimidation: elbow strike, headbutt, and bear hug takedown
also the core values: these are not bad per se, but I'm not keen on any sort of high-priests judging these in others. It's also bland in the same way that most corporate statement are. Again I see where it's coming from and Kano Jigoro himself had a great line about this...
「技から道に入る」わけです。
through Waza we Enter the Way (of being a good human being contributing to society)
I kinda see where all this is coming from, but implementing and scoring and judging will always be bottlenecks.
curriculum; we all have different takes on what the fundamentals are, but there's bound to be a lot of overlap.
I like Lachlan's approach with SubMeta, apparently he individually tells students what they need to work on given where they are at, in a reverse-classroom set-up.
also scenarios rather than specifics seems like it makes more sense :
"show me 3/5/7 ways to escape from side/mount/back"
"3/5/7 submissions from same"
etc.
rather than : "you cannot do wormguard?! give your brown belt back!"
I like reverse de la worm and other lapel guards, I find them much stronger than Spider Guard stuff and much easier on my fingers.
in short : probably good intentions but arbitrary.
Edit : Goodhart's law - "when a measure becomes a target it ceases to be a good measure"
I kinda like the vagueness of the belt system.
Then we could have a separate Elo ranking of sorts, even if just in our heads ^^
Edited 3 year(s) ago
SEBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
1. If You can dance on the mat as some old farts with a big belly and some papers on their desk in front of You like it:
You will be promoted.
2. If You can replay a written programm but Your professor says, that You are not ready, You can go to some old farts with a big belly and some papers on their desk in front of You:
You will be promoted.
All this affiliation-based rule-stuff (in combination with olympic sports aspects) ruined Judo.
Don´t let it ruin BJJ, too.
Just my first thoughts.....
You will be promoted.
2. If You can replay a written programm but Your professor says, that You are not ready, You can go to some old farts with a big belly and some papers on their desk in front of You:
You will be promoted.
All this affiliation-based rule-stuff (in combination with olympic sports aspects) ruined Judo.
Don´t let it ruin BJJ, too.
Just my first thoughts.....
Edited 3 year(s) ago
ARBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
1. If You can dance on the mat as some old farts with a big belly and some papers on their desk in front of You like it: You will be promoted. 2. If You can replay a written programm but Your professor says, that You are not ready, You can go to some old farts with a big belly and some papers on their desk in front of You: You will be promoted. All this affiliation-based rule-stuff (in combination with olympic sports aspects) ruined Judo. Don´t let it ruin BJJ, too. Just my first thoughts.....
I'm old and fat. What's the problem?
JBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Our organization has a very specific curriculum for each stripe on the white belt and for the blue belt test. Beginners need a lot of structure, and I think it's nice to have a set of specific throws/takedowns, positions, transitions, and submissions that a person needs to be working on to progress. We also have specific isolated sparring exercises that we want students to play for each stripe so that we can see them use their techniques against skilled, resisting opponents (of comparable attributes and experience level). Without some structure, white belt can be a time of "blooming and buzzing confusion" (to borrow a phrase from William James).
However, once a student earns a blue belt, we don't have a specific curriculum for each stripe, but rather more general goals for the student to work on. A professor might tell a student something like, "For your next stripe, I want you to really isolate the half-guard position. You need to know at least three transitions and submissions from both the top and bottom positions. You also need to be able to demonstrate your skills in live rolls starting in both the top and bottom positions, both with and without strikes." This way, there are still specific things to work on at each level, but you are allowed to creatively develop your own game with the ultimate goal of performing well against a skilled, resisting opponent.
However, once a student earns a blue belt, we don't have a specific curriculum for each stripe, but rather more general goals for the student to work on. A professor might tell a student something like, "For your next stripe, I want you to really isolate the half-guard position. You need to know at least three transitions and submissions from both the top and bottom positions. You also need to be able to demonstrate your skills in live rolls starting in both the top and bottom positions, both with and without strikes." This way, there are still specific things to work on at each level, but you are allowed to creatively develop your own game with the ultimate goal of performing well against a skilled, resisting opponent.
CBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I believe rank should be earned by general improvement of skill and performance on the mats and with dedication to the martial art. I don't like belt tests. Basically time spent on the mats.
I also don't like that getting promoted sometimes requires you to take part in social circle jerks.
This statement will likely add more years to my brown belt. 😂
I also don't like that getting promoted sometimes requires you to take part in social circle jerks.
This statement will likely add more years to my brown belt. 😂
JSBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I think BJJ from a teaching/learning point of view can definitely benefit from a curriculum and students should know exactly what they need to do to get to the next belt level. As a coach you should be able to tell them what it is they need to work on to progress. F*ck the whole “asking about the belt sets you back” thing. In my experience that’s just a knee jerk reaction from coaches who don’t plan their classes and/or have no real criteria. That being said, BJJ is very large and many individual styles and expressions exist. I believe it’s important keep those in.
I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment but I prefer a more " free" style of teaching. While I'm a pretty good lesson planner (I learned in the military including risk assessment) I find it stifling and restricting but I see the value of it
JPBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
The idea behind this is honest, but BJJ is so big that you can't really doing this, this way.... Years ago i had the idea of making some kind of program with points for belt testing, so i tryed to count for exemple halfguard techniques that i know and that i teach, with variations i stop after a few minutes because there are hundred, and the whole thing is evolving every week so....
This is why I don't agree with classifying and attaching certain techniques to specific belts. Like you said, Jiu-Jitsu is always changing and evolving. You would have to constantly update that list constantly! Way too time consuming. Also, things that were advanced 10 years ago is fundamental today! Many would see the DLR Guard an advanced guard, others see it as a very fundamental guard. This is why I personally don't see the value in adhering techniques to certain belts.
DRBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
It seems as though BJJ is evolving away from teaching techniques toward understanding concepts that can be applied in various scenarios. I glanced through the pdf and while I respect the structure of it I think ultimately what you teach is determined by your philosophy and application. Some practitioners are focused on sport, some on self defense, sole solely on no-gi, some on application in MMA, etc. Though many try I think it's hard to assign specific techniques to a belt. I also think part of teaching bjj is helping someone to understand their own body mechanics and what techniques that can/should focus on based on their body type.
MRBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Any form of organization is useful as long as it is concept based
MGPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I'm old and fat. What's the problem?
I’m on board with this as well. My current Jiu Jitsu goal is to have a belly so big no one can move under me.
JDBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I believe that we all learn differently and not everyone can be a good referee, coach or competitor at the same time. Ultimately, the statement remains: either you win or you learn. About the organization JJIF: is a sports organization that works non-profit. It is subordinate to the IOC and has been trying to make BJJ Olympic since 2010. In the sports organization of the JJIF organize BJJ Black Belts, who are both in the IBJJF as well as in JJIF. Regarding the Belt program: these programs serve as a minimum standard and should only be seen as such. By the way, there are also in the IBJJF family. Last sentence; Like any federation or organization, there are different sides, we'll see how they prevail.
