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Is JJIF stealing BJJ with the Ne-Wasa consept?
4 year(s) ago • 3519 views • 16 replies
RRBrown beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
We have one major organizer of tournaments. IBJJF no one is close to competing with IBJJF about professional competitions.
There are several smaller organizations to but no one is close to the professionalism of IBJJF!
In the Olympic and World Games, there are one who are recognized by the Olympic Comity.
Are JJIF stealing BJJ?
https://jjif.sport/jiu-jitsu/
There are several smaller organizations to but no one is close to the professionalism of IBJJF!
In the Olympic and World Games, there are one who are recognized by the Olympic Comity.
Are JJIF stealing BJJ?
https://jjif.sport/jiu-jitsu/
RRBrown beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
Any of you guys have any experience with the newasa concept of JJIF ?
CBBrown beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
IBJJF doesn't "own" BJJ, no one does really. ISo you can't really have something stolen from you that didn't belong to you in the first place. There are tons of comps outside the IBJJF and Newaza is hardly unique to BJJ or the IBJJF. It's like saying CrossFit is stealing Olympic Weight Lifting because they incorporated it into their program.
In the end, what's the difference. If the product of the IBJJF is truly superior, then it shouldn't matter, if the other guys have a better product, then shouldn't we want them to succeed?
And on a side note, the Olympics definitely has an INFERIOR product. If we're going to protest a group, it should be the IOC.
In the end, what's the difference. If the product of the IBJJF is truly superior, then it shouldn't matter, if the other guys have a better product, then shouldn't we want them to succeed?
And on a side note, the Olympics definitely has an INFERIOR product. If we're going to protest a group, it should be the IOC.
JPBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
IBJJF doesn't 'own' BJJ, no one does really. ISo you can't really have something stolen from you that didn't belong to you in the first place. There are tons of comps outside the IBJJF and Newaza is hardly unique to BJJ or the IBJJF. It's like saying CrossFit is stealing Olympic Weight Lifting because they incorporated it into their program. In the end, what's the difference. If the product of the IBJJF is truly superior, then it shouldn't matter, if the other guys have a better product, then shouldn't we want them to succeed? And on a side note, the Olympics definitely has an INFERIOR product. If we're going to protest a group, it should be the IOC.
IOC ruins all sports IMO!
BBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
I've done ne waza for WCJJO as well as WAC. The cool thing about it is that it's strictly divided by weight class, so you are in open waters skill wise. You match whatever that country sent as their representative and you have no idea what combination of wrestling/judo/sambo/jujitsu/bjj skill sets they have on board. Some people find that scary, because they're used to the belt levels and skill divisions. In my opinion, you find out where you really stand when you're willing to take on all comers at international events.
I'll also echo this: the IBJJF does not own bjj. There are other options for accessing international competition.
I'll also echo this: the IBJJF does not own bjj. There are other options for accessing international competition.
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
Almost everybody is using the same ruleset, not just JJIF.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
BBBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
It’s mma? Correct?
BBBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
It’s mma? Correct?
BMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
It’s mma? Correct?
No. Ne waza translates to something like, "ground techniques".
Like Christian was saying, pretty much every tournament that uses a point system typically uses the same one, especially if the competitors are wearing a gi.
I've had a similar experience to Ben's, where everyone is thrown into the same division, regardless of rank. This has been my experience in judo tournaments in general, and the only "ne waza" tournaments I've competed in so far have been run by judo organizations (have a look at the khosen judo rule set... it's weird...).
I'm not sure if the jjif is going into such detail as the ibjjf on their rule set though. I wasn't able to find a rule book on their site anywhere, but I may have missed it.
Like Christian was saying, pretty much every tournament that uses a point system typically uses the same one, especially if the competitors are wearing a gi.
I've had a similar experience to Ben's, where everyone is thrown into the same division, regardless of rank. This has been my experience in judo tournaments in general, and the only "ne waza" tournaments I've competed in so far have been run by judo organizations (have a look at the khosen judo rule set... it's weird...).
I'm not sure if the jjif is going into such detail as the ibjjf on their rule set though. I wasn't able to find a rule book on their site anywhere, but I may have missed it.
FFBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
We have one major organizer of tournaments. IBJJF no one is close to competing with IBJJF about professional competitions.
Disagreeing here as much as possible. Grappling Industries and ADCC just to name the first coming to mind and offering very professional tournaments, with a more readable set of rules and a more reasonable pricing. Is IBJJF bigger? Yes, power of being the first on the market and power of a good brand. But that's pretty much all.
IJJF is actually doing a great job (altough I also hope they do not make it to Olympics. We have ADCC which is pretty much the grappling olympics and it doesn't ruin the sport like IOC does).
IJJF is actually doing a great job (altough I also hope they do not make it to Olympics. We have ADCC which is pretty much the grappling olympics and it doesn't ruin the sport like IOC does).
TABlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
The JJIF runs a world championship that you have to qualify to enter.
This IMHO increases the legitimacy of winning that tournament, you have to first win your countries qualifier tournament, then win the JJIF worlds.
This IMHO increases the legitimacy of winning that tournament, you have to first win your countries qualifier tournament, then win the JJIF worlds.
PSBlack beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
altough I also hope they do not make it to Olympics. We have ADCC which is pretty much the grappling olympics and it doesn't ruin the sport like IOC does).
No worries.
IOC 'ruined' Judo and Wrestling (I disagree with the conclusion but let's talk about it another day) because they wanted it to be more attractive to spectators. So they pretty much concentrate on Takedowns.
No one wants to see Jiu Jitsu Guys desperately trying to Takedown each other.
As fun as the Sport is - there is not much which is more boring than watching a Gi Tournament under IBJJF/JJIF Rules.
Have you ever look into someone of your beloved ones faces when you show them a video of you competing? Even they are bored.
And I don't see much possibilities of making it more attractive to spectators.
IOC 'ruined' Judo and Wrestling (I disagree with the conclusion but let's talk about it another day) because they wanted it to be more attractive to spectators. So they pretty much concentrate on Takedowns.
No one wants to see Jiu Jitsu Guys desperately trying to Takedown each other.
As fun as the Sport is - there is not much which is more boring than watching a Gi Tournament under IBJJF/JJIF Rules.
Have you ever look into someone of your beloved ones faces when you show them a video of you competing? Even they are bored.
And I don't see much possibilities of making it more attractive to spectators.
TABlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
And I don't see much possibilities of making it more attractive to spectators.
ADCC no-gi rules tend to be way more exciting.
Loved the trials tournaments this year.
Loved the trials tournaments this year.
PSBlack beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
ADCC no-gi rules tend to be way more exciting. Loved the trials tournaments this year.
Agree
But as far as I understood the only one who could make it Olympic so far is the JJIF NeWaza stuff.
But as far as I understood the only one who could make it Olympic so far is the JJIF NeWaza stuff.
GUBlack beltVerified
4 year(s) ago
I competed a lot in the Ne Waza circuit in my country (France):
Pros :
-nicely organized
-free
-at least 2 matches guaranteed with the system with the 2nd brackets for the 3rd place when you first lose
-possibility of qualifying for the french nationals, and then the europeans and the worlds, some guys I know had their trip and expenses taken care of by the Judo federation this way
Cons:
-the referees are sometimes completely clueless, they are for the most part not practicing BJJ and not following the sport, I seen some pretty wild calls (saying the toe-hold had to be done towards the outside being the worst I think...)
-they are very strict with the gis : only plain white or blue, no patches
-the atmosphere is a bit more calm and quiet than the BJJ competitions, and I tend to prefer the electric energy of the later ones
Side notes:
They mix every belt level, so you can come across a pure judoka who doesn't really know what he has got himself into, some BJJ beginners.... And some real tough BJJ black belts competitors, all in the same divisions... I guess you can consider this either a pro or a con depending on your BJJ level...
What I like for the draws, it that you then go to sudden death, first one to score a point or advantage wins, I find this better than OT or decision.
Also, the weight categories are really different, so it's the bit complicated to compete in both circuit and being at your optimal weight in both... For me it's 82,3 Kgs in BJJ with the gi on and 85 Kgs in Ne Waza without the gi, so it would be something like the equivalent of a 86,5 Kgs category...
They teamed up lately with the Abu Dhabi federation in order to bring the sport to the Olympics I believe...
Pros :
-nicely organized
-free
-at least 2 matches guaranteed with the system with the 2nd brackets for the 3rd place when you first lose
-possibility of qualifying for the french nationals, and then the europeans and the worlds, some guys I know had their trip and expenses taken care of by the Judo federation this way
Cons:
-the referees are sometimes completely clueless, they are for the most part not practicing BJJ and not following the sport, I seen some pretty wild calls (saying the toe-hold had to be done towards the outside being the worst I think...)
-they are very strict with the gis : only plain white or blue, no patches
-the atmosphere is a bit more calm and quiet than the BJJ competitions, and I tend to prefer the electric energy of the later ones
Side notes:
They mix every belt level, so you can come across a pure judoka who doesn't really know what he has got himself into, some BJJ beginners.... And some real tough BJJ black belts competitors, all in the same divisions... I guess you can consider this either a pro or a con depending on your BJJ level...
What I like for the draws, it that you then go to sudden death, first one to score a point or advantage wins, I find this better than OT or decision.
Also, the weight categories are really different, so it's the bit complicated to compete in both circuit and being at your optimal weight in both... For me it's 82,3 Kgs in BJJ with the gi on and 85 Kgs in Ne Waza without the gi, so it would be something like the equivalent of a 86,5 Kgs category...
They teamed up lately with the Abu Dhabi federation in order to bring the sport to the Olympics I believe...
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
I competed a lot in the Ne Waza circuit in my country (France): Pros : -nicely organized -free -at least 2 matches guaranteed with the system with the 2nd brackets for the 3rd place when you first lose -possibility of qualifying for the french nationals, and then the europeans and the worlds, some guys I know had their trip and expenses taken care of by the Judo federation this way Cons: -the referees are sometimes completely clueless, they are for the most part not practicing BJJ and not following the sport, I seen some pretty wild calls (saying the toe-hold had to be done towards the outside being the worst I think...) -they are very strict with the gis : only plain white or blue, no patches -the atmosphere is a bit more calm and quiet than the BJJ competitions, and I tend to prefer the electric energy of the later ones Side notes: They mix every belt level, so you can come across a pure judoka who doesn't really know what he has got himself into, some BJJ beginners.... And some real tough BJJ black belts competitors, all in the same divisions... I guess you can consider this either a pro or a con depending on your BJJ level... What I like for the draws, it that you then go to sudden death, first one to score a point or advantage wins, I find this better than OT or decision. Also, the weight categories are really different, so it's the bit complicated to compete in both circuit and being at your optimal weight in both... For me it's 82,3 Kgs in BJJ with the gi on and 85 Kgs in Ne Waza without the gi, so it would be something like the equivalent of a 86,5 Kgs category... They teamed up lately with the Abu Dhabi federation in order to bring the sport to the Olympics I believe...
This describes pretty much exactly my experience competing in this recently. It was funny how people looked a bit weird at me and a brazilian coach from another team who were loudly cheering and coaching. Growing up trying to shout louder than Brazilians for 20 years in competitions, I had no idea that was not a thing :D
FFBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
4 year(s) ago
Growing up trying to shout louder than Brazilians for 20 years in competitions, I had no idea that was not a thing :D
Story time: once this Italian coach was cornering his athlete competing against one athlete whose corner was Brazilian.
The Italian coach spent five minutes just trying to scream louder than the Brazilian:
VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI SE MIO NONNO VEDESSE CHE LAVORO FACCIO VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI GUARDA TE CHE MI TOCCA FARE VAI VAI VAI VAI
Translated, go go go go go go go if only my grandpa would see what's my job go go go go go go go look at what the hell I have to do go go go go go go
It was funny.
The Italian coach spent five minutes just trying to scream louder than the Brazilian:
VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI SE MIO NONNO VEDESSE CHE LAVORO FACCIO VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI VAI GUARDA TE CHE MI TOCCA FARE VAI VAI VAI VAI
Translated, go go go go go go go if only my grandpa would see what's my job go go go go go go go look at what the hell I have to do go go go go go go
It was funny.
