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4 year(s) ago • 3336 views • 28 replies

Sean Brandle
Sean Brandle
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4 year(s) ago
This guy is as good as Rickson's ghost ever was. He is better than the next best grappler by an embarassingly large margin. I'm sure that there isn't secret techniques that DDS teaches, but there is something in the water. Gordon, Nicky, Nick, Tonon, Ethan, Eddie Cummings and, to a lesser extent, Craig Jones are all monsters and they all credit Danaher for their success at the highest levels. What is different in that room vs. everyone else's? Most of the time they are using techniques I learned in my first few years. What does Danaher do differently? Why is Gordon so much better than everyone?
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
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4 year(s) ago
Well. It was for a while they were ahead on meta of nogi, had a good group that was willing to put time in and a seemingly superfocused coach.

Now the rest of the pack other than Gordon, while all super super high level, don't distinguish as clearly from the rest in the top.

So he is probably one of the kind like Bolt, Phelps etc
Deepu
Deepu
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4 year(s) ago
Gordon needs to win worlds in gi to be considered the best. He's the best no gi grappler for sure, but not the best grappler.
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Coachpotato
Coachpotato
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4 year(s) ago
Marketing and matchmaking. This is how Gordon gets to the GOAT status.

Gordon said he'd be the best in nogi and gi. Then after one week of training in the gi he quit, cause it was too hard. Pena beat him twice already in nogi, which isn't even Pena's main sport. He just runs his mouth cause it makes the money and he hypes himself up.

He has a long way to go to reach the level of Marcelo or Roger and reach true "GOATness". Andre Galvao is up there too, and that's why Gordon is gunning for him. Oh how I wish Andre would nullify his game and shut him up.
Sean Brandle
Sean BrandleOP
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4 year(s) ago
I think Andre is past his prime even with all of extra vitamins he takes and we will see him take on Peña shortly. In nogi, he hasn't ducked anyone.

I dont want him to dominate the way he does. I don't love his antics and the fall out between him and Nicky leaves me a question his integrity as a man, but his nogi jiu jitsu is better than anyone I've ever seen including Marcelo and Roger.
Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
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4 year(s) ago
I try my best to not talk about him and pretend he doesn't exist: the fewer toxic arseholes I have to think about, the better. Which is fairly easy if I don't pay much attention to BJJ social media, but Beltchecker sucked me back in. Damn it! :P
Brian Thurmond
Brian Thurmond
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4 year(s) ago
In my opinion, Gordan Ryan is good for the sport of No-Gi (and Gi for that matter). He draws many people to the sport who previously had little to no interest in Jiu-jitsu. The old saying is that "negative press is still good press". Here is another. Hey, "don't hate the player, hate the game".
Jiu-jitsu sport is a long way from the other combat sports, but to bring in more money and more opportunity, more drama (made up or otherwise) will probably have to accompany.
I like Gordan. I won't use him as a mentor or a role model in my life, nor will I encourage my son to look to him, but I think that he is knowledgeable, and he uses very fundamental Jiu-jitsu. He is brilliant in the basics! I admire this tremendously!

It remains to be seen how far his antics and how much further his fundamental Jiu-jitsu will carry him.

I am very interested in finding out!

Edit: He is very quick to pay homage to who he (Gordan Ryan) thinks is the GOAT: Roger Gracie...no argument from me.
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Ben Smallwood
Ben Smallwood
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4 year(s) ago
It remains to be seen how far his antics and how much further his fundamental Jiu-jitsu will carry him
I’m not on social media and don’t keep up with newer bjj gossip, so all I know about the man is what I’ve seen from competition footage. Not sure if he’s the “goat,” but he is one hell of a grappler. All I think when watching him is how fun it would be to roll with, and get schooled by, him.
Sean Brandle
Sean BrandleOP
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4 year(s) ago
I try my best to not talk about him and pretend he doesn't exist: the fewer toxic arseholes I have to think about, the better. Which is fairly easy if I don't pay much attention to BJJ social media, but Beltchecker sucked me back in. Damn it! :P
My bad
Vovis
Vovis
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4 year(s) ago
In my opinion, Gordan Ryan is good for the sport of No-Gi (and Gi for that matter). He draws many people to the sport who previously had little to no interest in Jiu-jitsu. The old saying is that 'negative press is still good press'. Here is another. Hey, 'don't hate the player, hate the game'. Jiu-jitsu sport is a long way from the other combat sports, but to bring in more money and more opportunity, more drama (made up or otherwise) will probably have to accompany. I like Gordan. I won't use him as a mentor or a role model in my life, nor will I encourage my son to look to him, but I think that he is knowledgeable, and he uses very fundamental Jiu-jitsu. He is brilliant in the basics! I admire this tremendously! It remains to be seen how far his antics and how much further his fundamental Jiu-jitsu will carry him. I am very interested in finding out! Edit: He is very quick to pay homage to who he (Gordan Ryan) thinks is the GOAT: Roger Gracie...no argument from me.
He in my opinion is bringing the wrong type of people to the sport. Is he amazing in o-Gi absolutely, but a a human being very debatable with how he disrespectfully treats others. My belief is let you jiu-jitsu do the talking. But it's just my opinion on the matter.
Sean Brandle
Sean BrandleOP
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4 year(s) ago
He in my opinion is bringing the wrong type of people to the sport. Is he amazing in o-Gi absolutely, but a a human being very debatable with how he disrespectfully treats others. My belief is let you jiu-jitsu do the talking. But it's just my opinion on the matter.
I am of two minds on his antics. He has made more money than any other grappler because of his antics and has been the tide that has raised the boats of his fellow grapplers so I can't really complain too much. However, I value good sportsmanship and "doing the right thing" very much in myself, friends and family.

I've heard he was a good guy from a person in his camp a few years ago. I don't know how much success has gone to his head and the rift with his brother doesn't look good for him, but maybe it's all just an act to get people to hate him enough to watch him lose a match.

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Josh Vogel
Josh Vogel
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4 year(s) ago
His performances are pretty incredible and he, through teaching and discussing Bjj, demonstrates that he has a very deep knowledge of Jiu Jitsu. It’s really interesting and often illuminating to hear him talk about different aspects of the sport.

He says some stuff online that goes pretty far off the deep end at times. While I don’t agree with a lot of what he says, I’ve heard enough well known people in grappling (who people think are good humans) do and say far worse stuff in real life (and online) so I’m maybe a little desensitized, and also in the habit of admiring peoples skills while also having no interest in their personalities. I also grew up around a lot of people who act like he does, so maybe that’s why it doesn’t bug me as much either.

With the stuff about him and his brother, well, families are complicated and there are a million reasons that siblings and other family distance themselves from each other.
Brian Thurmond
Brian Thurmond
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4 year(s) ago
He in my opinion is bringing the wrong type of people to the sport. Is he amazing in o-Gi absolutely, but a a human being very debatable with how he disrespectfully treats others. My belief is let you jiu-jitsu do the talking. But it's just my opinion on the matter.
This is not to argue for or against that Gordan Ryan may bring "the wrong people" to the sport. However, there is something interesting that I have heard: "Jiu-jitsu is for everyone". I was never a bad guy. I was definitely not a humble guy. Jiu-jitsu has humbled me tremendously. I have seen it humble many who were "bad guys".

One thing about Gordan Ryan is the support for veterans organizations. He has done exhibition matches with all the proceeds raised going to Veteran's organizations such as We Defy (a 501c for disabled veterans that uses Jiu-jitsu as an outreach) and others. He will give away instructionals for free to veterans. His work with Tim Kennedy in Texas probably involves many things related to veteran outreach.

I think he has developed stagecraft and a stage presence. I listened to John Danaher speak on the subject, in regard to Gordan Ryan on a podcast. I think it may be a concoction developed by the two of them. To me, he is like meeting Rick Flair on the beach in the panhandle of Florida. The Nature Boy is just a regular dude, a nice guy who is just playing a part for the fans.

This is my opinion.
Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
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4 year(s) ago
One thing about Gordan Ryan is the support for veterans organizations. He has done exhibition matches with all the proceeds raised going to Veteran's organizations such as We Defy (a 501c for disabled veterans that uses Jiu-jitsu as an outreach) and others. He will give away instructionals for free to veterans. His work with Tim Kennedy in Texas probably involves many things related to veteran outreach.
Giving to charity is a good thing, but it does not make you a good person, or excuse behaving like an arse. After all, there are loooooads of people who give to charity who are total bastards. Classic example in the UK is Jimmy Saville. He raised around £40 million for charity over his lifetime (and not just sending money, but being an absolutely integral part of fundraising efforts), but it later transpired that he was a lifelong serial paedophile. Jeffrey Epstein was a philanthropist too. In fact, I would not be surprised if a very large proportion of people who happen to be both rich and an arsehole have also given significant sums to charity.

Not that Ryan is comparable to those utter shitheels, he's way lower down the list. But nevertheless, while I'm glad that he does some charity work, IMO he's not a positive force in the world.
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Vovis
Vovis
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4 year(s) ago
Giving to charity is a good thing, but it does not make you a good person, or excuse behaving like an arse. After all, there are loooooads of people who give to charity who are total bastards. Classic example in the UK is Jimmy Saville. He raised around £40 million for charity over his lifetime (and not just sending money, but being an absolutely integral part of fundraising efforts), but it later transpired that he was a lifelong serial paedophile. Jeffrey Epstein was a philanthropist too. In fact, I would not be surprised if a very large proportion of people who happen to be both rich and an arsehole have also given significant sums to charity. Not that Ryan is comparable to those utter shitheels, he's way lower down the list. But nevertheless, while I'm glad that he does some charity work, IMO he's not a positive force in the world.
Well said. And I agree. If jiu-jitsu is for everyone, we as practitioners MUST make sure our actions on and of the mat are seen in a positive light all the time, not just sometimes. Therefore making it appealing to everyone, and truly making it for everyone.
Brian Barlow
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4 year(s) ago
Gordon’s success isn’t because of marketing. The guy is a savant when it comes to NoGi. The time and discipline he has put into the pursuit of excellence can’t be explained away by his choice of opponents. He’s won everything, and continues to be driven to be the best.
Sean Brandle
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4 year(s) ago
I was hoping that responses would mostly focus on the amazing jiu jitsu Gordon has put on display in the past few years and how John Danaher's ability to download and digest complex concepts and techniques and then teaching them to others simply.

I do wonder if Gordon has harmed his legacy because his antics overshadow his skill.
James Jones
James Jones
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4 year(s) ago
I remember when I visited the blue basement for a Danaher class and Gordan was helping assist.

I asked for a picture with John at the end of class and Gordan put himself into my picture without me asking and then made his younger brother Nicky take the picture.

Kind of funny but still...
Jorgen Matsi
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4 year(s) ago
John Danaher's ability to download and digest complex concepts and techniques and then teaching them to others simply.
Are you talking about a different John Danaher :D ?
Sean Brandle
Sean BrandleOP
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4 year(s) ago
Are you talking about a different John Danaher :D ?
Yes. I can't get through any of his DVDs or interviews, but he taught me the D'Arce before it was called the darce in 30 seconds. I started hitting it or threatening with it as a blue belt against elite level black belts. Now, I know that they gave me the position to hit it, but no one was letting me finish. He is a fantastic coach.
James Jones
James Jones
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4 year(s) ago
Now, I know that they gave me the position to hit it, but no one was letting me finish.
Wish more white and blue belts understood this.
James Jones
James Jones
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4 year(s) ago
ha! spoken like a guy the JUST got his purple belt. Congrats!
Thank you, I mean even 2 years ago I let people work into positions and they act all excited that they got some offense in or that I didn't tap them.

They will eventually learn that not everyone is going to try to get a submission on them as well.

I don't spoil their happy thoughts as it goes both ways. Always someone better than you letting you work every once in a while or taking it easy on you or just using you as a rest round while they look around the room lol
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Sean Brandle
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4 year(s) ago
McGregor talks about "red panty" nights referring to his opponent's wife which is way over the line, IMO, he threw a dolly cart into a bus window causing injury to at least one athlete, he's punched civilians in bars (multiple times), multiple sexual assault charges, and a robbery charge for taking a fan's phone that was trying to take a picture of him. That guy can not be a good enough teammate to make up for his actions.

Gordon calls guys jiu jitsu garbage, he revealed private conversations between himself and Felipe Pena regarding a potential third match between the pair, he accused Lachland Giles of being on gear, slapped Andre Galvao AFTER Gordon tried to shake his hand and Galvao cursed at him and shoved him, and, worst of all, gave himself the title of King Gordon. His biggest crime is that he isn't publicly humble (I've never met high-level competitors that are humble in the gym). The only people that he antagonizes are his peers. Guys that are apex predators, not their wives or untrained civilians on the street.

I'm a guy that believes a friend of a friend is my friend and an enemy of a friend is my enemy and as long as a guy isn't punching down he can express himself however he wants to with little judgment from me.
Brian Thurmond
Brian Thurmond
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4 year(s) ago
Giving to charity is a good thing, but it does not make you a good person, or excuse behaving like an arse. After all, there are loooooads of people who give to charity who are total bastards. Classic example in the UK is Jimmy Saville. He raised around £40 million for charity over his lifetime (and not just sending money, but being an absolutely integral part of fundraising efforts), but it later transpired that he was a lifelong serial paedophile. Jeffrey Epstein was a philanthropist too. In fact, I would not be surprised if a very large proportion of people who happen to be both rich and an arsehole have also given significant sums to charity. Not that Ryan is comparable to those utter shitheels, he's way lower down the list. But nevertheless, while I'm glad that he does some charity work, IMO he's not a positive force in the world.
Yes, you make a good point and I can clearly see that you disapprove of Ryan and his antics. On the other hand, these organizations and groups are significant to me, so I am grateful for what he does for them. That said; I don't know that GR has to be a positive force in the world. He is positively a force in No-Gi Jiu-jitsu and grappling.

To me, he is amusing. I find his antics, and his apparent insecurities amusing. I do not take him seriously and I cannot control how others perceive this gifted young man. I am entertained and that is enough for me.
Rob
Rob
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Yes. I can't get through any of his DVDs or interviews, but he taught me the D'Arce before it was called the darce in 30 seconds. I started hitting it or threatening with it as a blue belt against elite level black belts. Now, I know that they gave me the position to hit it, but no one was letting me finish. He is a fantastic coach.
Agree with all this. I've been forcing myself through his DVDs at the moment due to seeing Gordan basically becoming unstoppable. While I do struggle to stay awake, the details you pick up are incredible. I've focused on his half guard passing and his mount attacks based off the recent Gordan fights and I've gone from getting swept by anyone decent in half guard to forcing it against higher belts and passing to mount. From mount, where I previously had very little success in submissions against anyone that wasn't a fresh white belt, I'm now hitting submissions every time I consolidate the position against other blue belts and am able to start threatening purple belts. This has happened in the period of a few weeks since the Merinho fight.

While I don't like Gordans personality, it's great that he dominates fights with the techniques in his and Danahers instructionals. I can't see a better way that they could advertise them.
Vovis
Vovis
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4 year(s) ago
I can't see a better way that they could advertise them.
By continuing to win, and submit everyone. Is truly the best way to sell.

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