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4 year(s) ago • 858 views • 9 replies

Mirco
Mirco
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4 year(s) ago
Great and true message. Obviously the guy from the video on the link is talking about Fitness training but also you can transfer what he says to Jiu Jitsu Training or other activities….. the message is:
no, we don’t have the same 24 hours a day depending on the various circumstances (single, married, family commitments, 9-5 job or working different shifts, etc…)!
So for all who „only“ make it to the Jiu Jitsu academy 6 times a month instead of 6 times a week (for example I am only able to teach 3 times a week as a part timer after duty for example),you doing a fantastic job under the given circumstances and it’s better training 2 times a week than sitting on the couch doing nothing….
What is your opinion on that?
https://fb.watch/eCNNbjAi47/
Nick Tyau
Nick Tyau
Black belt 1st degreeVerified314 forum posts4290/1000
4 year(s) ago
I think I there are a couple of ways to approach this:
-from the instructor/owner standpoint, since the majority of practitioners are hobbyists, it behooves the owner to support a comfortable and safe environment where people can pursue the art at their pace
-at the same time, I also think it’s okay if the instructor/owner is an elite/serious competitor and wants to also foster an environment that encourages that vibe as well. If do it would be helpful to have clear expectations of each type of student

From a personal level, I’ve had to adjust my attitude over the years and accept that I won’t be training as often as I used to and certainly not as often as the most skilled people in the room. Ultimately once I thought and got my goals to align with my personal expectations, I felt better about it. In other words, even though we’re all told not to compare ourselves to others, the nature of the art is one of comparison so being clear with yourself what you want to get out of training could help you mentally stay in a healthy mindset of constant learning
Nick Tyau
Nick Tyau
Black belt 1st degreeVerified314 forum posts4290/1000
4 year(s) ago
I think I there are a couple of ways to approach this:
-from the instructor/owner standpoint, since the majority of practitioners are hobbyists, it behooves the owner to support a comfortable and safe environment where people can pursue the art at their pace
-at the same time, I also think it’s okay if the instructor/owner is an elite/serious competitor and wants to also foster an environment that encourages that vibe as well. If do it would be helpful to have clear expectations of each type of student

From a personal level, I’ve had to adjust my attitude over the years and accept that I won’t be training as often as I used to and certainly not as often as the most skilled people in the room. Ultimately once I thought and got my goals to align with my personal expectations, I felt better about it. In other words, even though we’re all told not to compare ourselves to others, the nature of the art is one of comparison so being clear with yourself what you want to get out of training could help you mentally stay in a healthy mindset of constant learning
Jorgen Matsi
Jorgen Matsi
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified1772 forum posts17315/1000
4 year(s) ago
I think I there are a couple of ways to approach this: -from the instructor/owner standpoint, since the majority of practitioners are hobbyists, it behooves the owner to support a comfortable and safe environment where people can pursue the art at their pace -at the same time, I also think it’s okay if the instructor/owner is an elite/serious competitor and wants to also foster an environment that encourages that vibe as well. If do it would be helpful to have clear expectations of each type of student From a personal level, I’ve had to adjust my attitude over the years and accept that I won’t be training as often as I used to and certainly not as often as the most skilled people in the room. Ultimately once I thought and got my goals to align with my personal expectations, I felt better about it. In other words, even though we’re all told not to compare ourselves to others, the nature of the art is one of comparison so being clear with yourself what you want to get out of training could help you mentally stay in a healthy mindset of constant learning

(remember the old-school OG/UG tradition :D )
Drew Brunning
Drew Brunning
Black beltVerified235 forum posts3190/1000
4 year(s) ago
I like the idea of breaking classes apart for different goals. I tend to see goals like fitness/activity, learning the art, self-defense, and performing as an athlete. There's overlap in all of these, but if you offer separate S&C time slots, technique-focused time slots, experimentation and drilling time slots, and competition prep time slots people can essentially build their own path based on what's important to them and their goals.

Personally, I don't do BJJ as my S&C nor am I really at the point where I'm trying to compete more than casually here and there at this point. Getting to just do technique and casual rolling/drilling is all I want, but offering the other options means other people who are doing it as their exercise or who do want to compete can do the extra stuff too.
Mirco
MircoOP
Brown beltVerified805 forum posts5075/700
4 year(s) ago
It's all about priorities.
Yes, of course but you have different prerequisites (what the guy in the video points out) and of course outcome, depending on the prerequisites and life circumstances.
Everybody can make the best out of it on their own pace and level.
Deepu
Deepu
Black beltVerified547 forum posts6260/1000
4 year(s) ago
I think to see consistent improvement, you need to train at least 2 to 3 times a week. Not saying you won't see improvements if you train less, but just slower. Also, a huge part of this is how you train. Training smart, with specific goals when you do get to class vs just showing up and hoping to learn through osmosis, makes a massive difference.
Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1900 forum posts3635/1000
4 year(s) ago
So for all who „only“ make it to the Jiu Jitsu academy 6 times a month instead of 6 times a week (for example I am only able to teach 3 times a week as a part timer after duty for example),you doing a fantastic job under the given circumstances and it’s better training 2 times a week than sitting on the couch doing nothing…. What is your opinion on that?
Training something is better than nothing, though yeah, getting in at least twice a week is a good goal. There is also no need to try to cater towards everybody, there is enough BJJ out there now that you can specialise. I don't care about comps, so I don't gear my classes towards that: my focus is and has always been "teach stuff that means people can safely roll in class and have fun."

I care much more about a friendly, relaxed atmosphere than I do about people being killers in competition. Especially as there are plenty of other clubs near me that have a comp focus and are great at it, so that's where people who want to smash in comps are going to be best served. I do have a comp class at my place, run by people at the club who DO care about comps, which I guess covers the demographic who like to compete, but not so much that it's their 100% focus.
James Jones
James Jones
Black beltVerified1309 forum posts6475/1000
4 year(s) ago
I think to see consistent improvement, you need to train at least 2 to 3 times a week. Not saying you won't see improvements if you train less, but just slower. Also, a huge part of this is how you train. Training smart, with specific goals when you do get to class vs just showing up and hoping to learn through osmosis, makes a massive difference.
How you train is the most important thing.

During the first couple months of covid I just had one training partner come over to my house once a week for about 2 months. We saw great improvement just training once a week. But we also trained for 2 hours each time.

It allowed us to follow up on previous weeks as we remembered what we were working on.

It also allows you to hit the pause and rewind button while sparring or working on stuff. Normal classes you may not feel the ability to do that with only 5 to 10 minutes with each training partner but you need to learn to be able to do just that if your rolling with them on a regular basis.

One thing I noticed also is that one week I would feel I greatly improved, then the next I felt he greatly improved and back and forth I suppose as we start to remember and counter what happened the previous week.

What will make someone's ability to train once or twice a week and get more out of it will be their previous experience. A brand new white belt might learn a couple new things if they have never seen it before. But someone with 4 to 12 months of training is going to have a hard time getting better training once a week. If someone has over 2 years of training it's going to feel much easier as they have more information and muscle memory to just speed up where they left off easier.

Finally what your thinking when your training is the most important. If you just show up to class and do whatever the instructor says without a thought of what you need to and will work on during class from certain positions then you will progress very slowly. Of course listen and try out what the instructor says...but you need to have your own unique things that your working on every time you train pre planned for certain situations and scenarios even unique to certain training partners and their strategies and start building your spider web of information that you can connect together while building your own system.

If you arn't thinking about how you can connect things together that your learning and impose your strategy on your opponents your going to have a hard time of seeing any quick improvement. If you already have an A game then it should be very easy for you to add stuff around your A game for you to see real improvement not training as often. The same applies if you already understand what you need to work on and what your weaknesses are.

***Also just a side note if you have been training less than a year and you hardly ever get any sparring time in class you need to find somewhere where you can spar. Sparring is crucial the first couple years of learning. Without feeling that resistance you don't have a clue what will work for you and what won't. After a few years of training hard you will need this sort of resistance less and less to know what you need to work on. Even preparing for tournaments you will find you don't need to go all crazy hard during practice to prepare for tournaments. But after around 3 months of training there is no excuse not to be getting a good amount of sparring time in for the next 15 to 21 months. If your once or two classes a week you never face any real resistance you can have all the information in the world but it won't do you any good until you learn how to use it with your body in real time against real resistance.
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