Ryan vs. Pena who ya got!!!

Meregali vs Lavato should be good also.

Alex Morales

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Ryan. He seems just on another level compared to everyone else right now.

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I really want Pena to make Ryan shut up. This kid needs humbling so bad. Realistically Gordon is winning this though. My heart with Pena, my money with Gordon.

Robert Laursoo

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Ryan will win. Though I would be happy if Pena would.

Benoit Zenthner

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Pena beat him twice already so.... as we said in french "we never say two without tree"
Hope to see a great fight

Black belt 1st degreeVerified

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I think Gordon is on another level right now, but maybe you can't say two without saying three. My money is in Peña because the odds are ridiculous, but I don't expect to win.

Danny Boy Vega

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Gordon but Pena sneaky back takes can steal the show against Gordon's micro adjustments

Black beltVerified

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I am predicting some sort of injury.

Black belt 1st degreeVerified

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I think Gordon is on another level right now, but maybe you can't say two without saying three. My money is in Peña because the odds are ridiculous, but I don't expect to win.

Black belt 1st degreeVerified

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I am predicting some sort of injury.

is exhaustion an injury?

Black beltVerified

1310 forum posts6475/1000

is exhaustion an injury?

Mental injury. So yes I win.

Megaton

Black beltVerified556 forum posts6875/1000

If you listen to the post fight banter I think James is correct... Mental injury.

Black beltVerified197 forum posts5375/1000

Big disappointment when the match finishes without the proper submission. Especially this type of match. No time limit is my favourite format to compete at and in my opinion the closest one to showing who is really better. Many athletes are good at scoring points or surviving to OT in EBI type of comps but they haven't got the technical ability to create real danger for an opponent and to actually finish. I agree though with those who say that it's the least spectator-friendly form of grappling competition but I still hope it will become more popular. Unfortunately Pena gassing out/getting bored didn't help this case.

Black belt 1st degreeVerified

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Big disappointment when the match finishes without the proper submission. Especially this type of match. No time limit is my favourite format to compete at and in my opinion the closest one to showing who is really better. Many athletes are good at scoring points or surviving to OT in EBI type of comps but they haven't got the technical ability to create real danger for an opponent and to actually finish. I agree though with those who say that it's the least spectator-friendly form of grappling competition but I still hope it will become more popular. Unfortunately Pena gassing out/getting bored didn't help this case.

Yes! I told my wife that a competitive match in the one thing outside of my loved ones that I'm most passionate about just ended because one of the competitors got bored and just quit. She wanted to know what took him so long.

It looks like Pena was planning on fulfilling his contract to roll for 30 minutes and then quit because of Leandro Lo's murder. I sort of understand that he wasn't 100%, but if you start the match you should complete the match. I feel cheated out of an hour of my life.

Black beltVerified197 forum posts5375/1000

It didn't work quite in the way he was trying to sell it to the spectators. I shouldn't be judging him because I don't know how I would act in his position but general impression was that he looked like he used his friend's death as an excuse. That wasn't the worst part of the whole situation. People booing him when he was talking about this was just horrible. Sad sad sad.

Black beltVerified

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How about 3 ten minute rounds. (Best 2 out of 3) A sub does not end the fight, You just win that round and have to win one more round)
Action resets standing at the start of each round.

Score the match more like MMA so. No counting points for anything just whoever the refs think threatened more damage and was more in control and aggressive etc.

People think they want no time limit submission only until they do a tournament where the white belts have 1 hour long matches flopping around. And then the black belts just play patty cake while hugging each other and talking for an hour during their matches.

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Black beltVerified197 forum posts5375/1000

How about 3 ten minute rounds. Action resets standing at the start of each round. Score the match more like MMA so. No counting points for anything just whoever the refs think threatened more damage and was more in control and aggressive etc.

It would be faster and more fun to watch but wouldn't guarantee a submission. If you have refree's/judge's decision in the end, you could have as well normal point-based match. Just watch polaris and see what judges base their scoring on: guard passing, sweeps, takedowns, submission attempts. It also makes people to stall when they know they're winning. In no time limit there's no waiting for the ref to help you, just actual surviving or waiting for an opportunity to counter.

Black belt 1st degreeVerified

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It didn't work quite in the way he was trying to sell it to the spectators. I shouldn't be judging him because I don't know how I would act in his position but general impression was that he looked like he used his friend's death as an excuse. That wasn't the worst part of the whole situation. People booing him when he was talking about this was just horrible. Sad sad sad.

In all fairness, the spectators were there for, like, six hours. I would have bood as well if I didn't hear from the announcers how Lo's murder might be affecting him.

Seth Spratlin

Black beltVerified

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Nothing is perfect but I like CJJ’s “get down” rule to help force some on the ground action, and then using EBI overtime rules to determine a winner without using judges.

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Nothing is perfect but I like CJJ’s “get down” rule to help force some on the ground action, and then using EBI overtime rules to determine a winner without using judges.

Problem with that it then promotes people training 3 positions excessively and stall for overtime also.

Black belt 1st degreeVerified

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All the rule sets suck if someone is playing it safe within those rule sets. I like the F2W rule set of no points but a limited time and the person the came closest to finishing the fight wins. Also, I don't need to see more than 20 minutes of any grappling match

Jorgen Matsi

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I think there is room for a clear judging ruleset similar to MMA. No specific points but describe and value

1) full submission threats (described e.g. fully locked straight arm, hands connected chokes etc)
2) when those are equal then successful transitions (from standing to ground top, on ground from less dominant to more dominant AND submission position threats
3) when those are equal then activity

No rounds but possibly a "golden score OT" where first to 1) or 2) wins immediately.

7 minutes +2 for "regular", 10+3 for finals in tournaments,15+5 for "pro" single fight.

Hell..
Maybe if I'm bored I should write those rules and start an organization

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Matt Guyer

Purple beltVerified

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I feel cheated out of an hour of my life.

I’m glad I fell asleep.

Seth Spratlin

Black beltVerified

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Problem with that it then promotes people training 3 positions excessively and stall for overtime also.

Lol maybe you missed the first part of my post where I said “nothing is perfect”. It’s hard to craft a rule set that doesn’t have a weakness for being gamed in some fashion. Nobody wants to roll against Gordon, I appreciated that at least the Hillbilly Hammer tried to throw some offense at him.

Maybe they could make a roulette wheel of positions, back, spiderweb, triangle, slx, mount, and more, and then spin that to decide what position the athletes start in for each inning of OT.

Black beltVerified

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Lol maybe you missed the first part of my post where I said “nothing is perfect”. It’s hard to craft a rule set that doesn’t have a weakness for being gamed in some fashion. Nobody wants to roll against Gordon, I appreciated that at least the Hillbilly Hammer tried to throw some offense at him. Maybe they could make a roulette wheel of positions, back, spiderweb, triangle, slx, mount, and more, and then spin that to decide what position the athletes start in for each inning of OT.

Starting in any position in overtime except from your feet is dumb.

And that's coming from someone who normally pulls guard.

Ebi overtime greatly increases the chance of injury.

If there's going to be any instant win scenarios than let it just be first point scored with pride refs ready to throw the purse penalties.

Pride was the most fun to watch. Need something like that for jiu jitsu.

Seth Spratlin

Black beltVerified

79 forum posts3040/1000

Nothing is perfect but I like CJJ’s “get down” rule to help force some on the ground action, and then using EBI overtime rules to determine a winner without using judges.

Black belt 1st degreeVerified

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Nothing is perfect but I like CJJ’s “get down” rule to help force some on the ground action, and then using EBI overtime rules to determine a winner without using judges.

Actually, that is a great idea

Jorgen Matsi

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Thing to consider about sport rules is that it always incentivizes gameplans and strategies and action to optimize towards winning.

Because in competitive sport, it is better to win than to lose.

EBI overtime seemed great at first. Now not so much.

So any ruleset needs to be built in a way that it's kept in mind - what do we want to happen. We have seen judo have some success but also drawbacks with rule changes.

In grappling - we do want incentivize towards finishing and action. And it's never perfect because it is a zero sum game, there is always also a strong incentive to NOT GET finished and thereby to prevent the OTHER from taking action.

That's where the stalling penalties come in.

But that starts to work in reverse (as evident in Judo right now) where it is a totally viable winning strategy to play in a way that forces the other to get more penalties and the original set and meaning of activity and scoring techniques is secondary.

I think all that is what you call a catch 22?

In pro grappling you can incentivize extra with finishing monetary bonus (making taking risks "worth" more). In amateur sport the problem is always going to be there 100%.

Still it baffles me how people who watch cycling or running or swimming etc can call grappling boring :D You never blame a runner for running "boring" or taking no risks.

Edited 4 year(s) ago

Megaton

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