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Joint Supplements
6 year(s) ago • 893 views • 39 replies
SZBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Do you take joint supplements? If so, which ones?
I'm 48 years old and attend class 2-3 times per week. I don't compete and BJJ is my only exercise. I started taking Joint Warfare and Super Krill Oil by Origin Labs last year. It seems to help.
I'm 48 years old and attend class 2-3 times per week. I don't compete and BJJ is my only exercise. I started taking Joint Warfare and Super Krill Oil by Origin Labs last year. It seems to help.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
None that have helped. I take phoenix tears to
deal with arthritic and nerve pain from my surgery, also to help me relax and sleep at night after training.
deal with arthritic and nerve pain from my surgery, also to help me relax and sleep at night after training.
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I take weekly squats for my knees & yoga for my lower back. The only things that have had any effect.
Fish oil when I remember, but don't notice any difference if I neglect it.
Edit: am 38.
Fish oil when I remember, but don't notice any difference if I neglect it.
Edit: am 38.
Edited 6 year(s) ago
SZBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I do have lower back issues, but don't have arthritis yet. I'm just looking for ways to prolong my time on the mats.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I do have lower back issues, but don't have arthritis yet. I'm just looking for ways to prolong my time on the mats.
Back pain is terrible.
SZBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Back pain is terrible.
I've been dealing with it since I started training. I find starting on my back helps with support. As a result, I've gotten comfortable attacking and defending from the bottom. Not where I'd want to be in a real fight, but it allows me to keep training on my bad days.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Placebo is a helluva drug :/
(what I'm saying is I'm suspicious about over-the-counter... some things don't make sense physiologically/pharmacologically)
(what I'm saying is I'm suspicious about over-the-counter... some things don't make sense physiologically/pharmacologically)
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I've been dealing with it since I started training. I find starting on my back helps with support. As a result, I've gotten comfortable attacking and defending from the bottom. Not where I'd want to be in a real fight, but it allows me to keep training on my bad days.
I totally understand it.. The gentle art is very rough haha
CTBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I work for a vitamin manufacturer and do clinical research all the time. Science proves vitamins help, but they are long term not like pain relievers that act right away. If you want to know what to take vitamin wise, you should take glucosamine hydrochloride/chondroitin sulfate/MSM for joint health. At least 1000mg of omega oil for heart and brain. Omega oil is the best thing to take in general. Otherwise you should take B12 and vitamin D. If you have specific questions tag me.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I work for a vitamin manufacturer and do clinical research all the time. Science proves vitamins help, but they are long term not like pain relievers that act right away. If you want to know what to take vitamin wise, you should take glucosamine hydrochloride/chondroitin sulfate/MSM for joint health. At least 1000mg of omega oil for heart and brain. Omega oil is the best thing to take in general. Otherwise you should take B12 and vitamin D. If you have specific questions tag me.
Very cool thanks
CTBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
If you have ever had bone breaks, take vitamin d, calcium, and K2. That’s the best combo for bone health.
SZBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
If you have ever had bone breaks, take vitamin d, calcium, and K2. That’s the best combo for bone health.
Thanks for the info. I'll definitely look into those.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Science proves vitamins help, but they are long term not like pain relievers that act right away. If you want to know what to take vitamin wise, you should take glucosamine hydrochloride/chondroitin sulfate/MSM for joint health. At least 1000mg of omega oil for heart and brain. Omega oil is the best thing to take in general. Otherwise you should take B12 and vitamin D. If you have specific questions tag me.
I don't think there's a tagging function?
Several questions:
1. Isn't "vitamins" a category too broad?
2. What do you think about the recent multiple studies about vitamins being detrimental (poscience summary e.g. here https://www.scientificame[...]nts-aging/)
3. In regards to collagen and glucoseamine - I've heard that the molecul is too large to have an actual effect in joints and if you consider precursors of moleculs used in joints then the lack of them is not a concern for most people - care to comment?
4. What do you personally think of the following sites in regards of supplement-related information?
http://www.suppversity.com
http://www.examine.com
Several questions:
1. Isn't "vitamins" a category too broad?
2. What do you think about the recent multiple studies about vitamins being detrimental (poscience summary e.g. here https://www.scientificame[...]nts-aging/)
3. In regards to collagen and glucoseamine - I've heard that the molecul is too large to have an actual effect in joints and if you consider precursors of moleculs used in joints then the lack of them is not a concern for most people - care to comment?
4. What do you personally think of the following sites in regards of supplement-related information?
http://www.suppversity.com
http://www.examine.com
SBBlue beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I have a love hate relationship with supplements; love the idea of them working, hate the fact that they don't seem to.
That being said, I take creatine daily because it seems to have a long history of studies that, at the very least, seem to indicate is doesn't harm you, but COULD provide some benefits. It's cheap and there doesn't seem to be any negative affects, so what the heck.
That being said, I take creatine daily because it seems to have a long history of studies that, at the very least, seem to indicate is doesn't harm you, but COULD provide some benefits. It's cheap and there doesn't seem to be any negative affects, so what the heck.
WMBlack belt 5th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I don't think there's a tagging function? Several questions: 1. Isn't 'vitamins' a category too broad? 2. What do you think about the recent multiple studies about vitamins being detrimental (poscience summary e.g. here https://www.scientificame[...]nts-aging/) 3. In regards to collagen and glucoseamine - I've heard that the molecul is too large to have an actual effect in joints and if you consider precursors of moleculs used in joints then the lack of them is not a concern for most people - care to comment? 4. What do you personally think of the following sites in regards of supplement-related information? http://www.suppversity.com http://www.examine.com
I don't know, Jorgen.
I have followed a very disciplined regiment of ETOH in the evening,
followed by a half a pot or more of black coffee in the morning.
I supplement that often with rare red meat,
Oysters when in season,
And of course, bacon.
My body is a temple.
A temple to defiled gods, gods of wine, atheist gods, and Schrodinger's cat.
I have followed a very disciplined regiment of ETOH in the evening,
followed by a half a pot or more of black coffee in the morning.
I supplement that often with rare red meat,
Oysters when in season,
And of course, bacon.
My body is a temple.
A temple to defiled gods, gods of wine, atheist gods, and Schrodinger's cat.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
My body is a temple. A temple to defiled gods, gods of wine, atheist gods, and Schrodinger's cat.
Covered all the bases
CTBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
True vitamins/minerals are one thing, compounds and performance enhancers are another. Vitamins really just supplement nutrition that you aren’t getting with food. Some are fat soluble others are water soluble. That just means if you take too much vitamin d, which is fat soluble, you keep building it up and can get bad reactions and or serious stuff like liver disease. Other stuff is water soluble and you just pee out whatever is too much. All vitamins just supplement food. They give your body more of the nutrients it needs, but they don’t really make you feel better. You can either take fish oil or eat a piece of salmon and your body acts the same. Something like creatine is different because it cause a reaction. Vitamins don’t. Melatonin is considered a vitamin but it’s not. It’s a hormone that puts you to sleep. Plus cheap vitamins have bad fillers that can make you sick. So yes, too many vitamins can be bad, but it’s really hard to take that many vitamins to make you sick. Unless you have cheap junk. But no, you should feel that much better with vitamins other than your body is functioning on an optimum level.
CTBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Several questions:
1. Isn't "vitamins" a category too broad? Yes it’s broad. I focus in letter vitamins and minerals, not compounds. All traditional. Botanical like green tea extract are more loose and we don’t produce them because the fda has restrictions.
2. What do you think about the recent multiple studies about vitamins being detrimental (poscience summary e.g. here this one says A and E are bad. For every select that says things are bad, there is another that says they are good. That said, I only tell my friends to take D, and fish oil which are never included in articles like this. https://www.scientificame[...]nts-aging/)
3. In regards to collagen and glucoseamine - I've heard that the molecul is too large to have an actual effect in joints and if you consider precursors of moleculs used in joints then the lack of them is not a concern for most people - care to comment? Collagen nourishes the skin more than joints. Clinical tests can back that claim and products usually say they are for beauty.
4. What do you personally think of the following sites in regards of supplement-related information? These are fine for trends but hard to trust. Honestly it’s hard to trust most sites because most science doesn’t have a great handle on what vitamins really can help with. In the end vitamins are just like eating more food in a condensed form. You won’t feel different. But long term they do help if you are deficient.
1. Isn't "vitamins" a category too broad? Yes it’s broad. I focus in letter vitamins and minerals, not compounds. All traditional. Botanical like green tea extract are more loose and we don’t produce them because the fda has restrictions.
2. What do you think about the recent multiple studies about vitamins being detrimental (poscience summary e.g. here this one says A and E are bad. For every select that says things are bad, there is another that says they are good. That said, I only tell my friends to take D, and fish oil which are never included in articles like this. https://www.scientificame[...]nts-aging/)
3. In regards to collagen and glucoseamine - I've heard that the molecul is too large to have an actual effect in joints and if you consider precursors of moleculs used in joints then the lack of them is not a concern for most people - care to comment? Collagen nourishes the skin more than joints. Clinical tests can back that claim and products usually say they are for beauty.
4. What do you personally think of the following sites in regards of supplement-related information? These are fine for trends but hard to trust. Honestly it’s hard to trust most sites because most science doesn’t have a great handle on what vitamins really can help with. In the end vitamins are just like eating more food in a condensed form. You won’t feel different. But long term they do help if you are deficient.
CTBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Quality also matters. Shitty stuff doesn’t get absorbed. So it’s completely a waste.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Thanks for the thorough answers :)
I used to think D + O3 were the main things as well. Have read recent stuff that in regards D, there might big genetic variations in how much one does actually need and how one metabolises D.
I used to think D + O3 were the main things as well. Have read recent stuff that in regards D, there might big genetic variations in how much one does actually need and how one metabolises D.
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Good discussion so far, thanks!
I wonder if lab test for vitamin D content is worth it... I probably take too much (50-100 µg a day), just in case, because this time of the year in Finland we see the sun only on Instagram.
The other stuff I personally take are fish oil, magnesium (maybe has an effect on cramps..?), and Zink when it's flu season.
I wonder if lab test for vitamin D content is worth it... I probably take too much (50-100 µg a day), just in case, because this time of the year in Finland we see the sun only on Instagram.
The other stuff I personally take are fish oil, magnesium (maybe has an effect on cramps..?), and Zink when it's flu season.
CTBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
@Tatu. 50-100ug is fine. You don’t want more than 100ug a day. That is from various food and drug regulators. There are agencies that do clinical research on all this stuff and provide guidelines. All this stuff I am posting doesn’t come from my opinion. It’s from the scientific Agencies I work with.
All the others are good. Magnesium is good for lots of things. Muscle health is a main one.
All the others are good. Magnesium is good for lots of things. Muscle health is a main one.
TPBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Thanks for another educated answer!
CHBlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
I've always been a bit suspicious of supplements, but a few years ago I was talked into trying Collagen Hydrolysate as a possible way to ease my chronically achy joints. Especially my fingers. A remarkable coincidence maybe, but I haven't suffered from joint pain since. (Apart from a day or two of discomfort if my grips have been unceremoniously ripped off my opponent's gi during a training session.) Placebo effect? Unlikely after such a long period (2+ years). Maybe Mr Tade has some thoughts on this.
NTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I have severe arthritis in my hands and have had problems with my lower back and neck in the past. I used to take a lot of different supplements but in retrospect none of them had any real effect. I try to get squats and various back exercises in at least two times a week and do elastic and stress ball exercises for my fingers every day. That and a sensible diet are the only things that have helped me.
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RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
I have severe arthritis in my hands and have had problems with my lower back and neck in the past. I used to take a lot of different supplements but in retrospect none of them had any real effect. I try to get squats and various back exercises in at least two times a week and do elastic and stress ball exercises for my fingers every day. That and a sensible diet are the only things that have helped me.
Glad you've found some relief. That is the hardest part of having pain.
ABlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Hi,
I am 43, and train about 4-5 times a week, and take 2 Turmeric Curcumin Vegetarian Capsules, 500 mg daily at bed time. For me it works amazingly, I don't feel sore, or inflammation on my joints anymore. Prior to taking them, I was really having issues with my hands, I would wake up in the middle of the night, and my hands were locked open. Once I started taking them, that went away, as well as the general soreness from rolling. I can't take fish oil, somehow my body doesn't digest it right, and I am burping fish for hours. I even try to take them at different time, bed time, or with breakfast or lunch and same reaction.
I am 43, and train about 4-5 times a week, and take 2 Turmeric Curcumin Vegetarian Capsules, 500 mg daily at bed time. For me it works amazingly, I don't feel sore, or inflammation on my joints anymore. Prior to taking them, I was really having issues with my hands, I would wake up in the middle of the night, and my hands were locked open. Once I started taking them, that went away, as well as the general soreness from rolling. I can't take fish oil, somehow my body doesn't digest it right, and I am burping fish for hours. I even try to take them at different time, bed time, or with breakfast or lunch and same reaction.
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SZBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Hi, I am 43, and train about 4-5 times a week, and take 2 Turmeric Curcumin Vegetarian Capsules, 500 mg daily at bed time. For me I can't take fish oil, somehow my body doesn't digest it right, and I am burping fish for hours. I even try to take them at different time, bed time, or with breakfast or lunch and same reaction.
Have you tried Krill Oil instead of Fish Oil?
ABlack beltVerified
6 year(s) ago
Wow, never heard of that. I'll try it.
Thanks Steven.
Thanks Steven.
SZBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
6 year(s) ago
Wow, never heard of that. I'll try it. Thanks Steven.
You're welcome. It's supposed to give all the benefits of regular fish oil without the burbs. I use the one from Origin Labs but you should be able to get it from pretty much anywhere that sells vitamins.
