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Looking for opinions: Training or teaching after smoking weed
3 year(s) ago • 2806 views • 42 replies
PDBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I know a lot of guys here have schools and or teach. I have been thinking about this as wanted oytside opinions
First let me start with I believe weed should be legal everywhere. I have CTE and a THC vape pen has helped me with it more than I imagined possible.
I am not targeting High Rollerz as I have been to a couple of their shows.
I am looking for opinions as I am unsure of my own..
Allowing students to roll high. I have never had an issue with it but yet I have asked people to leave if I can tell they have been drinking or doing other drugs..
Question is am I being irresponsible ?
I personally would never teach after smoking as I have a responsibility to be 100% alert and aware.
Question is teaching after smoking irresponsible?
Now remember driving after smoking is a DUI and you are under the influence and it DOES affect you.. This is also an issue with insurance
First let me start with I believe weed should be legal everywhere. I have CTE and a THC vape pen has helped me with it more than I imagined possible.
I am not targeting High Rollerz as I have been to a couple of their shows.
I am looking for opinions as I am unsure of my own..
Allowing students to roll high. I have never had an issue with it but yet I have asked people to leave if I can tell they have been drinking or doing other drugs..
Question is am I being irresponsible ?
I personally would never teach after smoking as I have a responsibility to be 100% alert and aware.
Question is teaching after smoking irresponsible?
Now remember driving after smoking is a DUI and you are under the influence and it DOES affect you.. This is also an issue with insurance
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Great topic.
I also use THC/CBD products to manage pain and muscle spasms related to my back injury and subsequent surgery.
It helps me get a good nights sleep as well which is huge for recovery.
My preference is that people are sober while at the academy training.
With that said, I really can't tell who is stoned while training unless I can smell the weed. In that case I'd ask them to sit out or go home.
Nowadays with all the products available I can't tell anymore. I'll ask and they say they are not high. Not much I can do in that regard.
If I smell booze on someone I do not let them train so why should I treat this any different.
The ownice is on instructors to provide a safe and healthy training environment for everyone.
In the end the optics are just bad.
I also use THC/CBD products to manage pain and muscle spasms related to my back injury and subsequent surgery.
It helps me get a good nights sleep as well which is huge for recovery.
My preference is that people are sober while at the academy training.
With that said, I really can't tell who is stoned while training unless I can smell the weed. In that case I'd ask them to sit out or go home.
Nowadays with all the products available I can't tell anymore. I'll ask and they say they are not high. Not much I can do in that regard.
If I smell booze on someone I do not let them train so why should I treat this any different.
The ownice is on instructors to provide a safe and healthy training environment for everyone.
In the end the optics are just bad.
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CCBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Dangerous? No. Annoying? Yes!
Nothing worse than watching a high instructor rambling to paying students.
Nothing worse than watching a high instructor rambling to paying students.
SBBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I use THC/CBD to aid in my sleep after class so I'm all for it, however not in class. I've seen a situation where a guy that was so high they did not realize that their partner had tapped and verbally submitted to a heel hook. Never mind the fact that we were positionally training passing vs. guard retention. Not that idiots don't sometimes do idiotic things whether or not they are high, but that situation changed my perspective on rolling while high.
BMBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Who am I to tell another adult how they should experience jiu-jitsu?
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I wouldn't allow instructors to be under non-doctor-supervised influence while teaching class.
(The cannabis laws in Estonia are very strict BTW so there's that aspect as well.)
(The cannabis laws in Estonia are very strict BTW so there's that aspect as well.)
OHBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
as you said, with all the products now it's difficult to know if they don't smell...so...
anyway, i would ask to a student to pay attention to this for other comforts..not everybody smoke and/or like that;
i did it yesterday, true story!
as a teacher, i won't teach under influence, to stay aware, to be fine about insurance and to respect the fact that those guy paid for the lessons (i used to be too much lazy when on weed)
anyway, i would ask to a student to pay attention to this for other comforts..not everybody smoke and/or like that;
i did it yesterday, true story!
as a teacher, i won't teach under influence, to stay aware, to be fine about insurance and to respect the fact that those guy paid for the lessons (i used to be too much lazy when on weed)
DBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
With weed it's also tricky as dose is a factor. I can handle students that are a little baked, but the ones that are blitzed annoy me. Haven't asked anyone to leave however.
As for the instructor, I'd prefer them to be completely sober, but again wouldn't care if they were a little stoned.
As for the instructor, I'd prefer them to be completely sober, but again wouldn't care if they were a little stoned.
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I don't do drugs and I don't care as long as it doesn't effect me. Never had a sip of alcohol my entire life or smoked etc. Nothing.
I think the most annoying thing would be people talking to much and the smell.
The only thing I can't stand is dropping into some academies and the instructor just talks for 30 minutes about random stuff that half the time isn't even about jiu-jitsu at the start of class. That's then wasting my time. If you want to talk forever do it at the end of class on the side so people can roll or leave and not feel obligated to listen to the non sense.
I think the most annoying thing would be people talking to much and the smell.
The only thing I can't stand is dropping into some academies and the instructor just talks for 30 minutes about random stuff that half the time isn't even about jiu-jitsu at the start of class. That's then wasting my time. If you want to talk forever do it at the end of class on the side so people can roll or leave and not feel obligated to listen to the non sense.
OHBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
The only thing I can't stand is dropping into some academies and the instructor just talks for 30 minutes about random stuff that half the time isn't even about jiu-jitsu at the start of class. That's then wasting my time. If you want to talk forever do it at the end of class on the side so people can roll or leave and not feel obligated to listen to the non sense.
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JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
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PDBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Again I am not stating an opinion here but asking for others thoughts..And thank you for some great feedback it's why I love this place. I also posted on social media and the answers seem to be all concerned with justifying why the get high before rolling but ignored the question concerning providing a safe training environment
I understand why people do it especially people who tend to overthink and over analyze as it gets you out of your own head..
That said I don’t even take NSAIDS prior to training as I want to feel the pain and discomfort in my joints especially when one is in jeopardy..
I do not lump weed in with other drugs or even alcohol as it doesn’t have the same effects.
I am more wondering about a persons responsibility to training partners and a teachers toward students than I am about personal benefits.
It does alter thing and influences you from dulling pain to subtle alterations of perception and judgement.
Follow up would you want your children training with a coach who smoked before teaching?
How about their school teachers?
If you were going for surgery would you want the doctor smoking first?
As I said I have never really had a problem with it but had a discussion recently that got me thinking and I thought it would be good to get input as I started questioning myself
I understand why people do it especially people who tend to overthink and over analyze as it gets you out of your own head..
That said I don’t even take NSAIDS prior to training as I want to feel the pain and discomfort in my joints especially when one is in jeopardy..
I do not lump weed in with other drugs or even alcohol as it doesn’t have the same effects.
I am more wondering about a persons responsibility to training partners and a teachers toward students than I am about personal benefits.
It does alter thing and influences you from dulling pain to subtle alterations of perception and judgement.
Follow up would you want your children training with a coach who smoked before teaching?
How about their school teachers?
If you were going for surgery would you want the doctor smoking first?
As I said I have never really had a problem with it but had a discussion recently that got me thinking and I thought it would be good to get input as I started questioning myself
SBBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Luckily I've literally NEVER experienced that in my almost-20-years.
You've never been to 10P headquarters then. It's the only place I've ever had an instructor go on and on about ridiculous, off-on-a-tangent soliloquy that had nothing to do with the day's lesson plan. It happened almost every time I ever dropped in on 10P.
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Luckily I've literally NEVER experienced that in my almost-20-years.
Brazilians/Latinos are really bad about rambling on forever about non sense and just treating the start of a class as their stress relieve and ranting on and on about random shit or just telling stories about their life or week thinking that everyone else cares.
At the start of class I don't care about your week and your stories. It's my time to learn and train. Storytime is for after the training is over.
This doesn't happen everywhere but it's common enough if you drop in at enough academies you will see this. Maybe not in the Nordic and Eastern European parts of Europe though as they are super logical and would never have such conversations that lasted that long about nothing.
If they did they should be nominated for the Ättestupa.
At the start of class I don't care about your week and your stories. It's my time to learn and train. Storytime is for after the training is over.
This doesn't happen everywhere but it's common enough if you drop in at enough academies you will see this. Maybe not in the Nordic and Eastern European parts of Europe though as they are super logical and would never have such conversations that lasted that long about nothing.
If they did they should be nominated for the Ättestupa.
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SBBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Again I am not stating an opinion here but asking for others thoughts..And thank you for some great feedback it's why I love this place. I also posted on social media and the answers seem to be all concerned with justifying why the get high before rolling but ignored the question concerning providing a safe training environment I understand why people do it especially people who tend to overthink and over analyze as it gets you out of your own head.. That said I don’t even take NSAIDS prior to training as I want to feel the pain and discomfort in my joints especially when one is in jeopardy.. I do not lump weed in with other drugs or even alcohol as it doesn’t have the same effects. I am more wondering about a persons responsibility to training partners and a teachers toward students than I am about personal benefits. It does alter thing and influences you from dulling pain to subtle alterations of perception and judgement. Follow up would you want your children training with a coach who smoked before teaching? How about their school teachers? If you were going for surgery would you want the doctor smoking first? As I said I have never really had a problem with it but had a discussion recently that got me thinking and I thought it would be good to get input as I started questioning myself
Those are good questions and the answer to all of them is that it depends on the circumstance. If my doctor used THC/CBD for chronic pain and he isn't my surgeon, then I don't really care. I want my surgeon to be unimpaired by anything. If my kid's teacher is a good teacher, I don't care what they eat, smoke or drink. If they are a shit teacher, then I suggest they eat, smoke, or drink whatever the other teacher is eating, smoking, or drinking. And again, it depends on what they are using pot for. Is it to get high? Then I am a hard no in all three scenarios. If it is to treat chronic pain or anxiety and they are taking low doses, then I'm a cautious yes with the exception of my surgeon.
We are super overprescribed drugs in the U.S. So many of us are on something that has a limiting effect on our decision-making process that I'm not super concerned with THC being used properly the way prescribed drugs should be.
We are super overprescribed drugs in the U.S. So many of us are on something that has a limiting effect on our decision-making process that I'm not super concerned with THC being used properly the way prescribed drugs should be.
DP
Black belt 3rd degreePending
3 year(s) ago
Brazilians/Latinos are really bad about rambling on forever about non sense and just treating the start of a class as their stress relieve and ranting on and on about random shit or just telling stories about their life or week thinking that everyone else cares. At the start of class I don't care about your week and your stories. It's my time to learn and train. Storytime is for after the training is over. This doesn't happen everywhere but it's common enough if you drop in at enough academies you will see this. Maybe not in the Nordic and Eastern European parts of Europe though as they are super logical and would never have such conversations that lasted that long about nothing. If they did they should be nominated for the Ättestupa.
Bro WFT are you talking about. You are literally rambling in your non-sense racist ass post.
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PDBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Thank god for the Nordic and Eastern Europeans for doing it right,
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Bro WFT are you talking about. You are literally rambling in your non-sense racist ass post.
Just the reality my fiance is latina. And my son is half Colombian. Nothing racist about it.
90% of the time when an instructor takes the start of class to ramble forever it's a Latin doing it. At least if they are sober.
White people do that when they are not sober.
Talking a lot and being extremely social is apart of Latin culture. Try to get a check in South America. It's an extremely exhausting endeavor.
But hopefully you feel good about yourself for trying to call anything racist just for the hell of it. I'll also be in Ecuador in about ten days.
90% of the time when an instructor takes the start of class to ramble forever it's a Latin doing it. At least if they are sober.
White people do that when they are not sober.
Talking a lot and being extremely social is apart of Latin culture. Try to get a check in South America. It's an extremely exhausting endeavor.
But hopefully you feel good about yourself for trying to call anything racist just for the hell of it. I'll also be in Ecuador in about ten days.
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JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Thank god for the Nordic and Eastern Europeans for doing it right,
Not saying it's right. They just say less.
Literally they use less words when speaking. I do prefer it that way. Less is more.
They also don't over explain everything like us dumb Americans.
Literally they use less words when speaking. I do prefer it that way. Less is more.
They also don't over explain everything like us dumb Americans.
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SBBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Thank god for the Nordic and Eastern Europeans for doing it right,
I don't know...sometimes I'm curious about my instructor's week. I've got to figure out why my Latino instructor doesn't ramble on about his week. Maybe he isn't full Latino. His mom could be Polish for all I know because he hasn't said shit about his life during class!
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I don't know...sometimes I'm curious about my instructor's week. I've got to figure out why my Latino instructor doesn't ramble on about his week. Maybe he isn't full Latino. His mom could be Polish for all I know because he hasn't said shit about his life during class!
Obviously not every Latin does that. Just saying when it happens it's normally is a Latin.
If you train at an academy with a Brazilian instructor your odds of having story time conversations is increased. That is all.
If you train at an academy with a Brazilian instructor your odds of having story time conversations is increased. That is all.
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CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Brazilians/Latinos are really bad about rambling on forever about non sense and just treating the start of a class as their stress relieve and ranting on and on about random shit or just telling stories about their life or week thinking that everyone else cares. [....] Maybe not in the Nordic and Eastern European parts of Europe though as they are super logical and would never have such conversations that lasted that long about nothing.
Damn, these are some wild generalizations :D :D :D
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Damn, these are some wild generalizations :D :D :D
It's not that "wild".
People are to sensitive.
Stereotypes also exist for a reason.
Let's just completely never use any previously gathered data over time and always just start fresh to be nice and not offend anyone.
Generalizations and stereotypes are a form of stats and data gained over time that may not always be true or even true more times then not but still statistically significant enough to be remembered.
People are to sensitive.
Stereotypes also exist for a reason.
Let's just completely never use any previously gathered data over time and always just start fresh to be nice and not offend anyone.
Generalizations and stereotypes are a form of stats and data gained over time that may not always be true or even true more times then not but still statistically significant enough to be remembered.
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
It's not that 'wild'. People are to sensitive. Stereotypes also exist for a reason. Let's just completely never use any previously gathered data over time and always just start fresh to be nice and not offend anyone. Generalizations and stereotypes are a form of stats and data gained over time that may not always be true or even true more times then not but still statistically significant enough to be remembered.
Not sensitive at all.
On what data gathered over time do you base your claim that people in Nordic and Eastern European parts of Europe are super logical and would never have conversations that lasted that long about nothing? I'd love to see the hard numbers.
On what data gathered over time do you base your claim that people in Nordic and Eastern European parts of Europe are super logical and would never have conversations that lasted that long about nothing? I'd love to see the hard numbers.
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I only mentioned eastern Europe because I was responding to jorgen.
I've been to several countries.
You take every comment to the extreme sense just to argue for some reason. People in Nordic countries especially are very logical based in the way the speak and respond. Eastern Europe is slightly different. But still way different than western Europe or USA in the way the communicate.
They also are not nearly as easily offended as western Europeans/Americans.
I definitely enjoy the people in certain locations more than others. A lot less snobby/arrogant attitudes in Nordic/Celtic and eastern European areas compared to the rest of European cultured areas
Probably just to annoy more people my top 3 most sensitive cultures would be Americans, French and the Swiss. Alright done responding for a bit.
I've been to several countries.
You take every comment to the extreme sense just to argue for some reason. People in Nordic countries especially are very logical based in the way the speak and respond. Eastern Europe is slightly different. But still way different than western Europe or USA in the way the communicate.
They also are not nearly as easily offended as western Europeans/Americans.
I definitely enjoy the people in certain locations more than others. A lot less snobby/arrogant attitudes in Nordic/Celtic and eastern European areas compared to the rest of European cultured areas
Probably just to annoy more people my top 3 most sensitive cultures would be Americans, French and the Swiss. Alright done responding for a bit.
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CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
ARBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I have had 1 experience taking a lesson from someone that was REALLY high (plenty from people that are a little high). Maybe there are more and I just don't know. It was obvious in this case. I have to say, it was awful. Just all over the place. That being said, he/she/it wasn't my instructor, so It wasn't a big deal. I still got to roll after the seminar and it was a fundraiser so the cost was low. If it was my instructor, I might be pissed if it was a constant. I mean, I pay to be there, so I'd like the best instruction possible.
I have never rolled high personally. I'm a blathering lunatic when I'm high, so I don't trust I'd be safe for my partner. Obviously nothing malicious, but things happen. I am curious though...
In the end, we're all adults (maybe not maturity wise). Do what you want. :)
I have never rolled high personally. I'm a blathering lunatic when I'm high, so I don't trust I'd be safe for my partner. Obviously nothing malicious, but things happen. I am curious though...
In the end, we're all adults (maybe not maturity wise). Do what you want. :)
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Was that the dataset, sorry? I'm confused.
I would say random encounter interactions with people in whatever culture/country in multiple regions over periods of time would give you plenty of information to go off of.
Not pre planned encounters with people you planned to meet or randomly met at places you have hobbies in common with.
To much to type. You can't easily explain or respond in this format of communication on such a topic. And not going to type all day to try and over explain some common sense ideas.
Not pre planned encounters with people you planned to meet or randomly met at places you have hobbies in common with.
To much to type. You can't easily explain or respond in this format of communication on such a topic. And not going to type all day to try and over explain some common sense ideas.
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I have had 1 experience taking a lesson from someone that was REALLY high (plenty from people that are a little high). Maybe there are more and I just don't know. It was obvious in this case. I have to say, it was awful. Just all over the place. That being said, he/she/it wasn't my instructor, so It wasn't a big deal. I still got to roll after the seminar and it was a fundraiser so the cost was low. If it was my instructor, I might be pissed if it was a constant. I mean, I pay to be there, so I'd like the best instruction possible. I have never rolled high personally. I'm a blathering lunatic when I'm high, so I don't trust I'd be safe for my partner. Obviously nothing malicious, but things happen. I am curious though... In the end, we're all adults (maybe not maturity wise). Do what you want. :)
I really don't like it when people are drunk or you can smell alcohol. My first instructor was amazing but would show up not sober half the time and could be dangerous.
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