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Marc Partridge
Marc Partridge
Black belt 1st degreeVerified88 forum posts5945/1000
3 year(s) ago
Hi all,
I'm in the process of aquiring/making myself an icebath/plunge pool as I've heard good reports on the benefits for keeping the body injury free and healthy. Being an OG in his 50's I could do with all the help I can but was wondering if anyone her on Beltchecker has any tips on how long and how often you should do it.
As you get older the more you train, the more you ache so if I can fend it off by diving in an ice bath then I'll do it.
Cheers
Troy Moutsatsos
Troy Moutsatsos
Black beltVerified74 forum posts4215/1000
3 year(s) ago
I take ice baths/showers to help recover my muscles and joints quicker every time I workout or train Jiu Jitsu. I highly recommend them to anyone to inquires about them. I spend about 5 minutes at a time in the ice water. I’d recommend maybe starting at a slightly cold temperature for 2 minutes a day first thing in the morning and gradually making it colder and build to 5 minutes. There are lots of great athletic journals out there about ice baths and the benefits that include what temperature your water should be and for how long. The best one I read was from a rugby trainer. Hope that helped a bit.
Marc Partridge
Marc PartridgeOP
Black belt 1st degreeVerified88 forum posts5945/1000
3 year(s) ago
I take ice baths/showers to help recover my muscles and joints quicker every time I workout or train Jiu Jitsu. I highly recommend them to anyone to inquires about them. I spend about 5 minutes at a time in the ice water. I’d recommend maybe starting at a slightly cold temperature for 2 minutes a day first thing in the morning and gradually making it colder and build to 5 minutes. There are lots of great athletic journals out there about ice baths and the benefits that include what temperature your water should be and for how long. The best one I read was from a rugby trainer. Hope that helped a bit.
Are there certain do’s and don’ts like time in the pool and amount of times in a week.
Bearing in mind I am in my 50’s lol.
R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
Black belt 4th degreeVerified4764 forum posts34325/1000
3 year(s) ago
I do Ice baths and sauna together.
I go cold first, exercise to warm up and then sauna and repeat for three rounds. I always finish with cold so I can warm up naturally.
Keep in mind I've had back and knee surgery.
Does wonders for me.
Matt Guyer
Matt Guyer
Purple beltVerified1134 forum posts23250/400
3 year(s) ago
If you do it you should know this, its not a requirement to post videos to your social media of your cold plunges everyday.
Mikey Page
Mikey Page
Purple beltVerified106 forum posts2550/400
3 year(s) ago
The current research doesn't support the use of ice baths outside elite sport. For example, people at the CF Games use them as it does reduce inflammation and muscle soreness if you have to compete within a few hours of one workout to the next. Ice therapy works as a temporary pain disruptor and overloads the sensory input of pain to the brain. As the brain can only handle a certian amount of external input before it has to shut something off. Also a contraindication of this is that it causes vasoconstriction which stops new blood getting to the affected area. If you want to reduce swelling it's not ice that does it, it's compression. In my rehab clinic we use a device called a Game Ready, its a couple of grand. But it provides cold and compression therapy. We've found that it's the compression that gets rid of the swelling and the cold just provides analgesic. However if it makes you feel good go ahead with it! I am a big advocate for the biopsychosocial model of how pain is affected. It just bugs me it doesn't do what it's marketed as.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.[...]MC2938508/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.[...]MC5350472/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.[...]MC4603811/ (meta analysis)
Post exercise ice water immersion: Is it a form of active recovery?
Post exercise ice water immersion: Is it a form of active recovery?

Ice water immersion and contrast temperature water immersion therapy post exercise is fast becoming a common practice among athletes involved in a variety of sports. Several mechanisms have been put forth to explain the rationale for its use. However, ...

Sebastian Ellinghaus
Sebastian Ellinghaus
Black belt 1st degreeVerified599 forum posts34785/1000
3 year(s) ago
It´s my own barrel sauna with 190 degrees (or 90 Celsius) for 10-15 min. after a hard rolling session, then cooling down by showering outside with 40 degrees (4-5 Celsius). 10 min. later next round. All in all 3 rounds and additional lots of isotonic drinks.
The whole procedure takes 1 1/2 hours and I am feeling like new born (instead of run over by a truck directly after hard session).
Matt Guyer
Matt Guyer
Purple beltVerified1134 forum posts23250/400
3 year(s) ago
It´s my own barrel sauna with 190 degrees (or 90 Celsius) for 10-15 min. after a hard rolling session, then cooling down by showering outside with 40 degrees (4-5 Celsius). 10 min. later next round. All in all 3 rounds and additional lots of isotonic drinks. The whole procedure takes 1 1/2 hours and I am feeling like new born (instead of run over by a truck directly after hard session).
1.5 hours? I'd rather be sore.
Tatu Piispanen
Tatu Piispanen
Black beltVerified1355 forum posts10295/1000
3 year(s) ago
I've heard good reports on the benefits for keeping the body injury free
Like Mikey Page already laudably paraphrased, science doesn't support ice baths/plunges helping with recovery practically at all. Subjects often perceive having recovered better, but this is a feeling that is not soundly supported by data.

That said, I personally take cold plunges and showers because I get a good feeling out of them, and I believe that they can have a positive contribution to one's overall well-being mostly through their mental benefits. I live in Finland, where our lakes are pretty fucking cold 90% of the year. Taking a dip into a cold, clear fresh water lake (frozen or not.... and sea is fantastic too!) after a sauna, surrounded by nature, can be almost orgasmic. It's good for your SOUL. Does jack shit for your muscles.

Sauna, however, has proven clinical health benefits! The combo of sauna & a cold plunge is my favorite.

So my take is: by all means bath in ice if it makes you feel good, but don't think it's some sort of a magic trick to keep you injury-free or factually make your muscles less sore after a training session. Rest, improving your strength & mobility, and, to a lesser extent, sauna, all are demonstrably better for recovery and injury prevention.
Matt Guyer
Matt Guyer
Purple beltVerified1134 forum posts23250/400
3 year(s) ago
Taking a dip into a cold, clear fresh water lake (frozen or not.... and sea is fantastic too!) after a sauna, surrounded by nature, can be almost orgasmic.
Photoshoppers, this is your mission should you choose to accept it:

Tatu + Orgasm Face + Frozen Lake
Timo Rissanen
Timo Rissanen
Black beltVerified184 forum posts6150/1000
3 year(s) ago
Like Mikey Page already laudably paraphrased, science doesn't support ice baths/plunges helping with recovery practically at all. Subjects often perceive having recovered better, but this is a feeling that is not soundly supported by data. That said, I personally take cold plunges and showers because I get a good feeling out of them, and I believe that they can have a positive contribution to one's overall well-being mostly through their mental benefits. I live in Finland, where our lakes are pretty fucking cold 90% of the year. Taking a dip into a cold, clear fresh water lake (frozen or not.... and sea is fantastic too!) after a sauna, surrounded by nature, can be almost orgasmic. It's good for your SOUL. Does jack shit for your muscles. Sauna, however, has proven clinical health benefits! The combo of sauna & a cold plunge is my favorite. So my take is: by all means bath in ice if it makes you feel good, but don't think it's some sort of a magic trick to keep you injury-free or factually make your muscles less sore after a training session. Rest, improving your strength & mobility, and, to a lesser extent, sauna, all are demonstrably better for recovery and injury prevention.
Does your orgasmic sauna experience include beer? Some say beer is like a recovery drink...
Tatu Piispanen
Tatu Piispanen
Black beltVerified1355 forum posts10295/1000
3 year(s) ago
Photoshoppers, this is your mission should you choose to accept it: Tatu + Orgasm Face + Frozen Lake
I, in fact, am in possession of this very photo, which features my authentic Finnish orgasm face. No Photoshop needed.
Tatu Piispanen
Tatu Piispanen
Black beltVerified1355 forum posts10295/1000
3 year(s) ago
Does your orgasmic sauna experience include beer? Some say beer is like a recovery drink...
Beer is, of course, so essential to recovery I didn't even bother to mention it!
Sebastian Ellinghaus
Sebastian Ellinghaus
Black belt 1st degreeVerified599 forum posts34785/1000
3 year(s) ago
Beer is, of course, so essential to recovery I didn't even bother to mention it!
Didn‘ t I mentioned that:
„Isotonic drink“ is english for the german word „Bier“. 🤗
Dan Whettam
Dan Whettam
Blue beltVerified38 forum posts1100/200
3 year(s) ago
The current research doesn't support the use of ice baths outside elite sport. For example, people at the CF Games use them as it does reduce inflammation and muscle soreness if you have to compete within a few hours of one workout to the next. Ice therapy works as a temporary pain disruptor and overloads the sensory input of pain to the brain. As the brain can only handle a certian amount of external input before it has to shut something off. Also a contraindication of this is that it causes vasoconstriction which stops new blood getting to the affected area. If you want to reduce swelling it's not ice that does it, it's compression. In my rehab clinic we use a device called a Game Ready, its a couple of grand. But it provides cold and compression therapy. We've found that it's the compression that gets rid of the swelling and the cold just provides analgesic. However if it makes you feel good go ahead with it! I am a big advocate for the biopsychosocial model of how pain is affected. It just bugs me it doesn't do what it's marketed as. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.[...]MC2938508/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.[...]MC5350472/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.[...]MC4603811/ (meta analysis)
This is the only answer you need really. The science doesn't really back it, but if you like it, go for it.
Mike Isreatel has a great video on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/w[...]7KIfQIPPfs
Coachpotato
Coachpotato
Black belt 1st degreeVerified776 forum posts1920/1000
3 year(s) ago
Ice baths only help recovery if you jump into something warm afterwards to get the blood flowing again. Warm > cold.

Like Tatu said, sauna is probably top of the list as far as health benefits go. Just 10 minutes. Then again, we finns are definitely biased towards a proper sauna. Also... we may or may not exist.
Vovis
Vovis
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified976 forum posts9215/1000
3 year(s) ago
If you do it you should know this, its not a requirement to post videos to your social media of your cold plunges everyday.
This is why a "moderators smartass badge of excellence " is needed!
Matt Guyer
Matt Guyer
Purple beltVerified1134 forum posts23250/400
3 year(s) ago
This is why a 'moderators smartass badge of excellence ' is needed!
Well a guy I used to train with did this everyday for a month. He would tag Jocko in every single video too.
Vovis
Vovis
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified976 forum posts9215/1000
3 year(s) ago
Well a guy I used to train with did this everyday for a month. He would tag Jocko in every single video too.
Ok I'll bite did jocko ever respond?
Chris Baker
Chris Baker
Brown beltVerified573 forum posts3175/700
3 year(s) ago
Like Mikey Page already laudably paraphrased, science doesn't support ice baths/plunges helping with recovery practically at all.
As a total Warmduscher (warm shower as we say in German), who feels that cold is a plague on humanity and is actively trying to increase global warming to eliminate the season of winter all together, this is good news to me! (⁠◠⁠‿⁠◕⁠)

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