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Judo and Sambo Throws for BJJ
3 year(s) ago • 4189 views • 42 replies
RBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I am new here, so I want to ask if there is any interest in discussing throwing techniques?
My name is Thomas Kohlrausch, and I am on the judo mat for 50 years now, starting with judo at age 6.
I adapted a lot of judo throws more or less for BJJ, and I teach judo in the lineage of Tokio Hirano.
If there is any interest in throwing techniques, I would be glad to share me experiences.
:-)
My name is Thomas Kohlrausch, and I am on the judo mat for 50 years now, starting with judo at age 6.
I adapted a lot of judo throws more or less for BJJ, and I teach judo in the lineage of Tokio Hirano.
If there is any interest in throwing techniques, I would be glad to share me experiences.
:-)
JBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Hi, Thomas. Welcome! I’m pretty new here, too. I have a second dan in judo and I love using judo throws in BJJ and MMA. What are your preferences for gi and no-gi?
For gi, I tend to use ko uchi gari and o uchi gari as setups so that I can hit uchi mata and o soto gari. I often use sumi gaeshi as a counter (particularly against single-leg takedown attempts). On the ground, I love kuzure kesa gatame because many BJJ guys never train it, so I get a lot of arm locks from there.
For no-gi, I use mostly the same throws, but from overhooks and underhooks (with far wrist control).
For gi, I tend to use ko uchi gari and o uchi gari as setups so that I can hit uchi mata and o soto gari. I often use sumi gaeshi as a counter (particularly against single-leg takedown attempts). On the ground, I love kuzure kesa gatame because many BJJ guys never train it, so I get a lot of arm locks from there.
For no-gi, I use mostly the same throws, but from overhooks and underhooks (with far wrist control).
RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Hi Jim, in my point of view mostly all judo throws are applicable in BJJ. I like Uki-Goshi much, because it was one of my favorite competition throws (oh Lord, how long these times are ago!).
Depending on whether the opponent shifts his or her center of gravity more forwards or more backwards, I use foot throws or sacrifice throws.
Look, in the judo lineage of Tokio HIrano the techniques are teached in methodical rows. You can compare it with the setups in BJJ. It's rather easy to use throws in combat with this methodology. Tokio Hirano was famous for this, and I like this kind of judo pretty much.
Sometimes I have to smile when I teach this type of judo at seminars and the participants are amazed at how easy throws are to use.
However, Tokio Hirano's judo is worth to be explored, and I like to share my little knowledge.
Many who experience this judo for the first time are confused because the execution of the throws is very different than in judo in general. But that's not only the case in Tokyo Hirano's judo, but also in Mikonosuke Kawaishi and Ichiro Abe.
I love how well ancient traditional Judo and BJJ complement each other.
My favorite throws are Uki-Goshi, O-Soto-Gari, Sasae-Tsuri-Komi-Ashi, Tomoe-Nage, Yoko-Otoshi, Tani-Otoshi, Uki-Waza, Yoko-Guruma, Yoko-Gake, and a few years ago I finally understood what makes the Tai-Otoshi of Tokyo Hirano essential. I love this throw! :-)
Most of the judo throws are applicable in gi and in no gi. I can't think of a judo throw that doesn't have a no-gi variant...
Depending on whether the opponent shifts his or her center of gravity more forwards or more backwards, I use foot throws or sacrifice throws.
Look, in the judo lineage of Tokio HIrano the techniques are teached in methodical rows. You can compare it with the setups in BJJ. It's rather easy to use throws in combat with this methodology. Tokio Hirano was famous for this, and I like this kind of judo pretty much.
Sometimes I have to smile when I teach this type of judo at seminars and the participants are amazed at how easy throws are to use.
However, Tokio Hirano's judo is worth to be explored, and I like to share my little knowledge.
Many who experience this judo for the first time are confused because the execution of the throws is very different than in judo in general. But that's not only the case in Tokyo Hirano's judo, but also in Mikonosuke Kawaishi and Ichiro Abe.
I love how well ancient traditional Judo and BJJ complement each other.
My favorite throws are Uki-Goshi, O-Soto-Gari, Sasae-Tsuri-Komi-Ashi, Tomoe-Nage, Yoko-Otoshi, Tani-Otoshi, Uki-Waza, Yoko-Guruma, Yoko-Gake, and a few years ago I finally understood what makes the Tai-Otoshi of Tokyo Hirano essential. I love this throw! :-)
Most of the judo throws are applicable in gi and in no gi. I can't think of a judo throw that doesn't have a no-gi variant...
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JBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I just watched this video about Tokio Hirano’s tai otoshi: https://www.youtube.com/w[...]TaAYpgyo88.
His footwork is very interesting. His tsukuri movements often look like he’s stepping in for an ashi guruma or an o guruma, but then he drops right into tai otoshi.
His footwork is very interesting. His tsukuri movements often look like he’s stepping in for an ashi guruma or an o guruma, but then he drops right into tai otoshi.
RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I just watched this video about Tokio Hirano’s tai otoshi: https://www.youtube.com/w[...]TaAYpgyo88. His footwork is very interesting. His tsukuri movements often look like he’s stepping in for an ashi guruma or an o guruma, but then he drops right into tai otoshi.
There are variants of Tai-Otoshi in which Hirano does not "stretch out" the leg. If you want, I can post a short video recording of one of my seminars... :-)
JBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
There are variants of Tai-Otoshi in which Hirano does not 'stretch out' the leg. If you want, I can post a short video recording of one of my seminars... :-)
Please do. I’d love to see it. Thanks!
RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
It seems I'm making some kind of mistake trying to upload a video. But maybe I don't have the right to do so (since I'm new here). Instead, I can offer you to watch the relevant video on Facebook. I'll post the link for you if that's ok.
OHBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
hi, welcome here
i like to use kata guruma ans seoi nage type throw
but feinting o-uchi-gari / to ankle pick or ko-uchi-gari (ronda rousey style) too
your "feedback" on these one would be appreciated sir ;-)
i like to use kata guruma ans seoi nage type throw
but feinting o-uchi-gari / to ankle pick or ko-uchi-gari (ronda rousey style) too
your "feedback" on these one would be appreciated sir ;-)
RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
hi, welcome here i like to use kata guruma ans seoi nage type throw but feinting o-uchi-gari / to ankle pick or ko-uchi-gari (ronda rousey style) too your 'feedback' on these one would be appreciated sir ;-)
Thanks for the welcome! :-)
I prefer kata-guruma performed as yoko-otoshi. This works very well against low-lying opponents (especially in BJJ). However, throws that belong to the Seoi-Nage category have to be prepared a little more elaborately if you have opponents who are very bent over. Seoi-Nage (also Drop Seoi-Nage) would not be my first choice in this case. However, some sambo throws (with belt grip or without) can be used wonderfully with opponents who are bent over. Once I figure out how to upload videos here, I'd like to share these throws with you.
I prefer kata-guruma performed as yoko-otoshi. This works very well against low-lying opponents (especially in BJJ). However, throws that belong to the Seoi-Nage category have to be prepared a little more elaborately if you have opponents who are very bent over. Seoi-Nage (also Drop Seoi-Nage) would not be my first choice in this case. However, some sambo throws (with belt grip or without) can be used wonderfully with opponents who are bent over. Once I figure out how to upload videos here, I'd like to share these throws with you.
OHBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Thanks for the welcome! :-) I prefer kata-guruma performed as yoko-otoshi. This works very well against low-lying opponents (especially in BJJ). However, throws that belong to the Seoi-Nage category have to be prepared a little more elaborately if you have opponents who are very bent over. Seoi-Nage (also Drop Seoi-Nage) would not be my first choice in this case. However, some sambo throws (with belt grip or without) can be used wonderfully with opponents who are bent over. Once I figure out how to upload videos here, I'd like to share these throws with you.
i"ll look for it, thanks a lot
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I want to know what you guys think of my ideas & approach I shared here: https://youtu.be/blfx4kwbNjs
RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I want to know what you guys think of my ideas & approach I shared here: https://youtu.be/blfx4kwbNjs
Really interesting!
Some things I do bit different, but in generally from my point of view it is very good.
I practice old school judo in the lineage of Tokio Hirano. So my students are not as limited as sport judoka when it comes to grip fighting. With us, you can generally grab anywhere, including your belt, your legs, etc.
Therefore, all judo throwing techniques are applicable to us. There are no "forbidden ways of grasping". I am pleased that some of my students are doing very well with throwing techniques in their competitions (submission wrestling / BJJ). As a reference, I would like to give Christian Soetebier from Munich, for example (he is my judo student and Blackbelt in our judo lineage). Christian is also here on Beltchecker.com and will be happy to provide information about our way of throwing.
I admit that old school judo is very different from today's sport judo. But I find it much more effective.
I would like to exchange ideas with you about throws and their integration into BJJ, if you like. :-)
Some things I do bit different, but in generally from my point of view it is very good.
I practice old school judo in the lineage of Tokio Hirano. So my students are not as limited as sport judoka when it comes to grip fighting. With us, you can generally grab anywhere, including your belt, your legs, etc.
Therefore, all judo throwing techniques are applicable to us. There are no "forbidden ways of grasping". I am pleased that some of my students are doing very well with throwing techniques in their competitions (submission wrestling / BJJ). As a reference, I would like to give Christian Soetebier from Munich, for example (he is my judo student and Blackbelt in our judo lineage). Christian is also here on Beltchecker.com and will be happy to provide information about our way of throwing.
I admit that old school judo is very different from today's sport judo. But I find it much more effective.
I would like to exchange ideas with you about throws and their integration into BJJ, if you like. :-)
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OHBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I want to know what you guys think of my ideas & approach I shared here: https://youtu.be/blfx4kwbNjs
great, as all i've seen from u
-"adapt, super quick", "i go for some kind of initiative and i'm able to change according what leg is light or heavy"
exaclty the principle i follow when i go O-uchi-gari to ankle pick (or ko-uchi to seoi nage)
but you already had my full attention at the introduction, ... you really get the problem with "stand up" for adult beginners in bjj
it's really one of my main problem about teaching.
watching this and also Iceland Camp 2021: Simple upper body wrestling by you really reassured me about my way of teaching because I really think the same and show the same things pretty much but you pushed further and especially better formulated than what I am able to do.
really good material, thanks a lot
-"adapt, super quick", "i go for some kind of initiative and i'm able to change according what leg is light or heavy"
exaclty the principle i follow when i go O-uchi-gari to ankle pick (or ko-uchi to seoi nage)
but you already had my full attention at the introduction, ... you really get the problem with "stand up" for adult beginners in bjj
it's really one of my main problem about teaching.
watching this and also Iceland Camp 2021: Simple upper body wrestling by you really reassured me about my way of teaching because I really think the same and show the same things pretty much but you pushed further and especially better formulated than what I am able to do.
really good material, thanks a lot
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JBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I want to know what you guys think of my ideas & approach I shared here: https://youtu.be/blfx4kwbNjs
I like your “seoi” throw with the cross-collar grip. It seems like it’s a more effective variation of uki otoshi (the floating drop throw), which is usually performed straight backward rather than by jumping around the side. I like the spiral motion of your throw. I’ll have to try this next week.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
watching this and also Iceland Camp 2021: Simple upper body wrestling
Oliver, there's also the third one "All Takedowns you Ever Need" ;) https://www.youtube.com/w[...]09sR0GpVAE
JBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Oliver, there's also the third one 'All Takedowns you Ever Need' ;) https://www.youtube.com/w[...]09sR0GpVAE
This is good stuff!
First of all, that’s a truly excellent rash guard (maybe even better than my Darth Vader rash guard). :)
Second, I really like your explanation about how every point in your spine needs to be higher than the next point so that your posture doesn’t get disrupted. It reminds me of the “glass of water” metaphor that Randy Couture likes to use: even when you lean forward, your head needs to be up with your back straight so that if a glass of water were balanced on your head, it wouldn’t spill.
Third, I like the way you clearly chain the single-leg, double-leg, and back-take together into a systematic drill. Too often, takedowns are taught in isolation rather than as part of a coherent system.
Fourth, I like your explanation of the lift/block/spiral finishes (especially the “move in the direction of the block” and “take the body over the block” principles).
I’m going to share this video with my college Jiu-Jitsu physical education class (since we were working on these takedowns earlier this semester).
First of all, that’s a truly excellent rash guard (maybe even better than my Darth Vader rash guard). :)
Second, I really like your explanation about how every point in your spine needs to be higher than the next point so that your posture doesn’t get disrupted. It reminds me of the “glass of water” metaphor that Randy Couture likes to use: even when you lean forward, your head needs to be up with your back straight so that if a glass of water were balanced on your head, it wouldn’t spill.
Third, I like the way you clearly chain the single-leg, double-leg, and back-take together into a systematic drill. Too often, takedowns are taught in isolation rather than as part of a coherent system.
Fourth, I like your explanation of the lift/block/spiral finishes (especially the “move in the direction of the block” and “take the body over the block” principles).
I’m going to share this video with my college Jiu-Jitsu physical education class (since we were working on these takedowns earlier this semester).
RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
One of my competition techniques (it's been a long, long time...)
It is a combination of Ko-Soto-Gari and Uchi-Mata. Very easy to apply...
Works not only in judo, but also in BJJ.
Maybe you like it. :-)
https://youtu.be/QDSH15ySwOI
It is a combination of Ko-Soto-Gari and Uchi-Mata. Very easy to apply...
Works not only in judo, but also in BJJ.
Maybe you like it. :-)
https://youtu.be/QDSH15ySwOI
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JBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
One of my competition techniques (it's been a long, long time...) It is a combination of Ko-Soto-Gari and Uchi-Mata. Very easy to apply... Works not only in judo, but also in BJJ. Maybe you like it. :-) https://www.facebook.com/[...]tid=6NoCDW
This is great! My son and I are going to practice this combination this week. Thanks, sensei!
RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
This is great! My son and I are going to practice this combination this week. Thanks, sensei!
Thank you! :-)
If you have any questions about this combination, I'll be happy to answer them. If there is interest I can post some more links demonstrating my favorite competition throws. I have endeavored to adapt them all to the requirements of BJJ.
However, as I belong to the Judo lineage of Tokio Hirano, the execution of some throws could contradict the general opinion.
So please don't be surprised...
If you have any questions about this combination, I'll be happy to answer them. If there is interest I can post some more links demonstrating my favorite competition throws. I have endeavored to adapt them all to the requirements of BJJ.
However, as I belong to the Judo lineage of Tokio Hirano, the execution of some throws could contradict the general opinion.
So please don't be surprised...
RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I like to work in standing combat with the underhook. i love hip throws! Here is a variant of the Ushiro-Goshi that is very user-friendly and very effective.
Hope you will enjoy. :-)
https://youtu.be/gCEKynONuMw
By the way ... I know it looks a little silly, but I rolled up my pant legs so my students can see exactly when I put which foot down and in which way. How you put your feet down and exactly when and where you put them down is crucial when throwing.
Hope you will enjoy. :-)
https://youtu.be/gCEKynONuMw
By the way ... I know it looks a little silly, but I rolled up my pant legs so my students can see exactly when I put which foot down and in which way. How you put your feet down and exactly when and where you put them down is crucial when throwing.
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RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Hi Mark, nice work!
May I comment on your throwing video?
At 2:35 you show a kind of twist shot that I can't quite classify. Personally, I would have feared that the opponent would lock and therefore break his knee with this execution.
From my point of view it is not Koshi-Guruma, it is not Tai-Otoshi. So how would you call this technique?
I'm not sure - apart from the risk of injury to the knee of the thrown person - that you can really throw a bent standing opponent (BJJ fighter) with this throwing execution or even bring him down ...
At 4:20 you show a kind of hip throw (I would now call it a Kubi-Nage). I notice that to throw your opponent, you deep squat, then straighten your legs to lift them up and throw them over your hips.
I know hip throws, where the thrower stands on both feet, are often taught that way. However, I always wonder how I could throw someone who is 20-30kg heavier than myself with this kind of "digging"...
I don't mean it badly, I'm just curious. No offense.
:-)
May I comment on your throwing video?
At 2:35 you show a kind of twist shot that I can't quite classify. Personally, I would have feared that the opponent would lock and therefore break his knee with this execution.
From my point of view it is not Koshi-Guruma, it is not Tai-Otoshi. So how would you call this technique?
I'm not sure - apart from the risk of injury to the knee of the thrown person - that you can really throw a bent standing opponent (BJJ fighter) with this throwing execution or even bring him down ...
At 4:20 you show a kind of hip throw (I would now call it a Kubi-Nage). I notice that to throw your opponent, you deep squat, then straighten your legs to lift them up and throw them over your hips.
I know hip throws, where the thrower stands on both feet, are often taught that way. However, I always wonder how I could throw someone who is 20-30kg heavier than myself with this kind of "digging"...
I don't mean it badly, I'm just curious. No offense.
:-)
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RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Here are some basics of two-legged hip throws. The application in the No Gi area differs only marginally (type of grip) from the application with Gi. ;-)
1. Uki-Goshi
2. Tsuri-Goshi
3. Ko-Tsuri-Goshi
4. O-Tsuri-Goshi
5. Uki-Goshi with special hip turn
https://youtu.be/R2Os74Fu7gE
1. Uki-Goshi
2. Tsuri-Goshi
3. Ko-Tsuri-Goshi
4. O-Tsuri-Goshi
5. Uki-Goshi with special hip turn
https://youtu.be/R2Os74Fu7gE
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RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
This is a competition-proven, effective no-gi variation of uki-goshi. My students have used them successfully in BJJ and submission wrestling. :-)
https://youtu.be/2HShuyNIf_Q
https://youtu.be/2HShuyNIf_Q
RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Thanks for your answer.
From what I understand, we have very different understandings of how the mechanics of judo throws work. Thank you for letting me see your perspective.
From what I understand, we have very different understandings of how the mechanics of judo throws work. Thank you for letting me see your perspective.
SEBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Hi Mark,
my Judo is also based on olympian Judo of the early 80‘s (earned a black belt back in 92).
Competition focused, very athletic, therefore sometimes a little bit static.
Over the years I adapted a lot and round about 20 years ago I began to change anything to make it work in crossover grappling competitions.
I had to learn that many of the things coming from Hirano-lineage and others out of the IJF-box works well and is a more realistic approach without using artificial IJF competition rules.
Later BJJ crushed into my Judo-life and after a new build up of my nagewaza now my newaza completely changed. ;-)
my Judo is also based on olympian Judo of the early 80‘s (earned a black belt back in 92).
Competition focused, very athletic, therefore sometimes a little bit static.
Over the years I adapted a lot and round about 20 years ago I began to change anything to make it work in crossover grappling competitions.
I had to learn that many of the things coming from Hirano-lineage and others out of the IJF-box works well and is a more realistic approach without using artificial IJF competition rules.
Later BJJ crushed into my Judo-life and after a new build up of my nagewaza now my newaza completely changed. ;-)
RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Probably true. I don't understand German, but looking at your Uki Goshi video, the throw is what I have learned as Tsuri Goshi and very different from Uki Goshi as I know it. I am not familiar with Tokio Hirano, but I have trained with many great Japanese practitioners including Shiina, Eguchi, Oishi and Ashida as well as several Olympians. The style I learned emphasizes good posture and maintaining a low center of gravity as well as a heavy emphasis on matwork. As an older practitioner I no longer rely on speed or strength. Much of current judo practice has changed over the years and my approach is very 'old school', but it seems to work well for BJJ.
Back then I trained judo in the GDR as a high-performance sport. I was in a boarding school at a sports school and I've done so many competitions that it's enough for the est of my life...
So I know the sports judo of the former GDR and the Eastern Bloc like the back of my hand. (By the way - judo in the GDR was based on the methods of Mikonosuke Kawaishi and Ichiro Abe.)
After 1990, dissatisfied with the limitations of sport judo, I looked for and found alternatives.
When I came into contact with Tokio Hirano judo in 1999, I was already a 6th Dan in judo. Still, I was willing to try something new - and that was a good thing, because I was immediately won over by the effectiveness of Tokio Hirano's methods.
Throws that were previously difficult to use and that could only be demonstrated in a test suddenly and very quickly became part of my throwing repertoire.
To me, Tokio Hirano judo is the essence of what I call "old school judo". The throws are very effective with minimal effort. The throw amplitudes are smaller than known from sport judo, the impact on the mat is therefore much harder.
The "methodical rows" that Hirano used to teach his judo are very reminiscent of BJJ setups, and I think that's great.
For me this means that even as an "older semester" in Randori I hardly have any problems throwing the "young wild ones" (i.e. the active competitors).
I'll add a short video. A very wild, young, strong and successful competitor (2nd Dan) wanted to see for himself whether and how I could prevail against him. I could, among other things with Yoko-Otoshi, which I do very differently than you showed in your video. But see for yourself.
https://youtu.be/yeuHeIkN0UA
So I know the sports judo of the former GDR and the Eastern Bloc like the back of my hand. (By the way - judo in the GDR was based on the methods of Mikonosuke Kawaishi and Ichiro Abe.)
After 1990, dissatisfied with the limitations of sport judo, I looked for and found alternatives.
When I came into contact with Tokio Hirano judo in 1999, I was already a 6th Dan in judo. Still, I was willing to try something new - and that was a good thing, because I was immediately won over by the effectiveness of Tokio Hirano's methods.
Throws that were previously difficult to use and that could only be demonstrated in a test suddenly and very quickly became part of my throwing repertoire.
To me, Tokio Hirano judo is the essence of what I call "old school judo". The throws are very effective with minimal effort. The throw amplitudes are smaller than known from sport judo, the impact on the mat is therefore much harder.
The "methodical rows" that Hirano used to teach his judo are very reminiscent of BJJ setups, and I think that's great.
For me this means that even as an "older semester" in Randori I hardly have any problems throwing the "young wild ones" (i.e. the active competitors).
I'll add a short video. A very wild, young, strong and successful competitor (2nd Dan) wanted to see for himself whether and how I could prevail against him. I could, among other things with Yoko-Otoshi, which I do very differently than you showed in your video. But see for yourself.
https://youtu.be/yeuHeIkN0UA
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JBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I certainly think the rule changes imposed by the Olympics have been extremely harmful to the art in general.
I agree. I'm a big fan of freestyle judo (http://www.freestylejudo.org), which includes leg attacks, unlimited time on the ground, more submissions, and a no-gi division. I think the IJF rules have driven many people away from judo, especially people like me who came to the art from jiu-jitsu and MMA who are used to more permissive rule sets.
RRambatOP
Black beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I agree. I'm a big fan of freestyle judo (http://www.freestylejudo.org), which includes leg attacks, unlimited time on the ground, more submissions, and a no-gi division. I think the IJF rules have driven many people away from judo, especially people like me who came to the art from jiu-jitsu and MMA who are used to more permissive rule sets.
I absolutely agree. That's also the reason why I haven't belonged to any "official" judo organization for a long time. Do I need such organizations to practice good judo? No. Do I need such "official" organizations for my degrees to be "recognized"? No.
Do I need such organizations and their limitations so that my students can compete? No, because there are numerous alternatives. In addition, there are very, very many judoka who have turned away from the "official" sport judo and are now forming a kind of loose network. You train together, organize competitions according to "old school" rules... I like it a lot better.
Do I need such organizations and their limitations so that my students can compete? No, because there are numerous alternatives. In addition, there are very, very many judoka who have turned away from the "official" sport judo and are now forming a kind of loose network. You train together, organize competitions according to "old school" rules... I like it a lot better.
JBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I wish we had something like that in the USA. Almost all the judo tournaments here are sanctioned by the USJA and follow Olympic rules.
Mark, I wonder if there might be some Freestyle Judo tournaments/seminars in your part of Texas. It looks like there are several Freestyle Judo dojos in your state (http://www.freestylejudo.org/ifja/). I have trained a good bit with the Missouri/Kansas Freestyle guys at seminars over the years and I greatly prefer their approach to judo over the IJF approach.
GFBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I'm always grateful when I can access the valuable distilled knowledge of my elders, thanks for this thread!
I really enjoyed the various takes and the many videos
Old school throws by Tokio Hirano, good find! seems like he playfully exxagerates dropping his CoG for the video, I love how he moves.
Great stuff by Rambat,
Love to see 70 y/o Mark with some great kuzushi!
We have a Sambo coach coming on mondays, who is also a Judo Black Belt, and several other coaches are well-versed in Judo as well, I enjoy integrating this into my BJJ, and I'm quite sad when I go to competition and see 90% of the matches starting with a guard pull within 10 seconds... BJJ folks like to point out that Judo lost something with the sports rules, but yeah, big fan of newaza but not a fan of butt scooting.
I love to see high-level folks with insane body awareness and conditioning they got from Judo/Sambo/Wrestling applying it to novel environments where it's ok to do stuff that wasn't in their particular curriculums
(2 on 1 same side, grabbing the legs, belt, lapel, leg entanglements, etc.)
I believe it all stems from the same roots and goes to the same ideals, while variations emerge from the constraints of competition.
Kuzushi, Tsukuri, Kake, that's a great mental model from Kano Jigoro, I actually did a "better" translation of those concepts a while back, I'll post it sometime.
Kuzushi the other
Tsukuri is the set-up, but I see it as essentially the opposite of Kuzushi-ing the other, you rectify yourself.
disrupt opponent
correct yourself
execute
cheers
I really enjoyed the various takes and the many videos
Old school throws by Tokio Hirano, good find! seems like he playfully exxagerates dropping his CoG for the video, I love how he moves.
Great stuff by Rambat,
Love to see 70 y/o Mark with some great kuzushi!
We have a Sambo coach coming on mondays, who is also a Judo Black Belt, and several other coaches are well-versed in Judo as well, I enjoy integrating this into my BJJ, and I'm quite sad when I go to competition and see 90% of the matches starting with a guard pull within 10 seconds... BJJ folks like to point out that Judo lost something with the sports rules, but yeah, big fan of newaza but not a fan of butt scooting.
I love to see high-level folks with insane body awareness and conditioning they got from Judo/Sambo/Wrestling applying it to novel environments where it's ok to do stuff that wasn't in their particular curriculums
(2 on 1 same side, grabbing the legs, belt, lapel, leg entanglements, etc.)
I believe it all stems from the same roots and goes to the same ideals, while variations emerge from the constraints of competition.
Kuzushi, Tsukuri, Kake, that's a great mental model from Kano Jigoro, I actually did a "better" translation of those concepts a while back, I'll post it sometime.
Kuzushi the other
Tsukuri is the set-up, but I see it as essentially the opposite of Kuzushi-ing the other, you rectify yourself.
disrupt opponent
correct yourself
execute
cheers
