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Recent doping bans
3 year(s) ago • 4281 views • 98 replies
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
How many of the professional competitors in this sport do you think are on roids? I think they should either test all of them at the highest level or just make it legal and have them all admit to it.
I think there is a problem in terms of hobbyists competitors (especially young people) comparing themselves to the intensity that they see their idols put into training/competition and thinking they should also be able to do this.
I struggle to recover from 3-5 workouts a week, even with a super clean diet and lots of sleep. It's like we're doing two different sports here.
I think there is a problem in terms of hobbyists competitors (especially young people) comparing themselves to the intensity that they see their idols put into training/competition and thinking they should also be able to do this.
I struggle to recover from 3-5 workouts a week, even with a super clean diet and lots of sleep. It's like we're doing two different sports here.
MGPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
< 90% probably; however, even if it were legal, most of them still wouldn’t admit to it.
DWPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Im pretty hard against PEDs. Especially in combatsports. If you Test positive out of competition. I think Minimum of three years banning is ok. If you are an active competitor and get caught in the lead up to or during an Event, Livetime Ban. But thats just my opinion. But i also think that about 80 to 90 percent of the highest Level competitor are prob on Something. Nicky Rod claiming Natural for example ist Just ridiculous.
SSBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
You can see who it is, plain as day. There’s a stark contrast between guys like the Rutolos, Keenan, and then guys like Gordon, Nicky Rod, etc. Eating clean and lifting doesn’t make everyone look like that. But PEDs do.
I think the interesting and sad part will be when everyone on the PEDs bandwagon starts aging and all the burning the candle at both ends starts to catch up with them. Their bodies will just fall apart and their heads will be enormous. A great example is how gigantic Joe Rogan’s head has gotten. It’s like a pumpkin balanced on his shoulders now.
I think the interesting and sad part will be when everyone on the PEDs bandwagon starts aging and all the burning the candle at both ends starts to catch up with them. Their bodies will just fall apart and their heads will be enormous. A great example is how gigantic Joe Rogan’s head has gotten. It’s like a pumpkin balanced on his shoulders now.
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
< 90% probably; however, even if it were legal, most of them still wouldn’t admit to it.
Less than 90%?
MGPurple beltVerified
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
MGPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
❤️
Not going to lie, my wife did all my college math and was quick to inform that she was doing that level in middle school.
MGPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Also, I think we’d be more shocked by the amount of hobbyist on steroids and I don’t mean the “old” guys on TRT.
ARBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Most... If I wasn't afraid of needles, I'd be down hard!!!
MGPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Most... If I wasn't afraid of needles, I'd be down hard!!!
Me too. I did an at home hormone test and I had to have someone else prick my finger for me. The only way I could do it is if I went in to the clinic and had them inject me every week. Which I’m not apposed to doing it just sounds like a huge pain.
JBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
You may have seen the BJJ Heroes article on the subject of PEDs: https://www.bjjheroes.com[...]-grappling.
We talk about PEDs as an issue in my ethics class. I think the biggest moral problem (aside from the problematic side-effects of the drugs) is fairness. Most people who compete in BJJ are not professional athletes, so there is a significant disparity between income levels amongst competitors. Even if I were willing to accept the physical risks of PEDs (and I'm not), I wouldn't be able to afford them, which would put me at a significant disadvantage compared to wealthier competitors. It's hard enough to compete with the guy who can afford three private lessons per week without him being roided up.
We talk about PEDs as an issue in my ethics class. I think the biggest moral problem (aside from the problematic side-effects of the drugs) is fairness. Most people who compete in BJJ are not professional athletes, so there is a significant disparity between income levels amongst competitors. Even if I were willing to accept the physical risks of PEDs (and I'm not), I wouldn't be able to afford them, which would put me at a significant disadvantage compared to wealthier competitors. It's hard enough to compete with the guy who can afford three private lessons per week without him being roided up.
JSPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I think there is a problem ... idols ...
People often are not satisfied with their own lives and are not able to distinguish between extracting knowledge from other peoples expertise and emulating those people. It's a shame.
Regarding who should be tested, ideally everyone should be tested, but since most competitions are pay to play that would most likely increase the entry price. Additionally, most events already run late as it is, now get everyone to be tested...
I don't mind the present system, I'd maybe make the suspensions proportional to the average amount of years left in the competitors career instead of it being a fixed amount (Vagner and Cyborg are at the end stages of their careers so it's very unlikely they'll be able to compete in the adult division when the suspension is lifted, unlike Jonnathas and Igor which may have 5 to 10 years ahead of them).
Regarding who should be tested, ideally everyone should be tested, but since most competitions are pay to play that would most likely increase the entry price. Additionally, most events already run late as it is, now get everyone to be tested...
I don't mind the present system, I'd maybe make the suspensions proportional to the average amount of years left in the competitors career instead of it being a fixed amount (Vagner and Cyborg are at the end stages of their careers so it's very unlikely they'll be able to compete in the adult division when the suspension is lifted, unlike Jonnathas and Igor which may have 5 to 10 years ahead of them).
MGPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I think testing only only hurts IBJJF, so I’m not sure why they bother even doing the minimal testing they do now.
JSPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I think testing only only hurts IBJJF, so I’m not sure why they bother even doing the minimal testing they do now.
The hobbyists keep the IBJJF running, sure the pros attract a couple more eyes into the event but again, it's pay to play and hobbyists outnumber pros. While the IBJJF is able to sustain their credibility monopoly they can do whatever they want to the pros. I'm curious to see how things develop in the coming years though...
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MGPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
The hobbyists keep the IBJJF running, sure the pros attract a couple more eyes into the event but again, it's pay to play and hobbyists outnumber pros. While the IBJJF is able to sustain their credibility monopoly they can do whatever they want to the pros. I'm curious to see how things develop in the coming years though...
What if all the pros just decided to go compete at Grappling Industries? They could do it free and a lot of hobbyists would follow suit since part of the allure of competing at IBJJF is the fact that you can rub elbows with the “legends” of the sport.
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
What if all the pros just decided to go compete at Grappling Industries? They could do it free and a lot of hobbyists would follow suit since part of the allure of competing at IBJJF is the fact that you can rub elbows with the “legends” of the sport.
Fuck grappling industries.
They have worse customer service than the Ibjjf.
Worst in the industry.
They have worse customer service than the Ibjjf.
Worst in the industry.
ARBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Fuck grappling industries. They have worse customer service than the Ibjjf. Worst in the industry.
Never had a bad experience with GI, and I started competing in their tournaments back when the only ran them in Montreal and were called, Montreal Grappling. David Aguzzi is a solid dude. https://www.beltchecker.c[...]hp?id=7994
MGPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Never had a bad experience with GI, and I started competing in their tournaments back when the only ran them in Montreal and were called, Montreal Grappling. David Aguzzi is a solid dude. https://www.beltchecker.c[...]hp?id=7994
I got a heavily discounted lifetime pass from him during Covid though I have yet to compete at one of their events.
JSPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
What if all the pros just decided to go compete at Grappling Industries? They could do it free and a lot of hobbyists would follow suit since part of the allure of competing at IBJJF is the fact that you can rub elbows with the “legends” of the sport.
I'd like that but for now IBJJF centralizes both competition and rank verification. Maybe if some other circuit like GI, ADPro or ADCC is able to fetch most pro talent then people will also stop worrying about Carlos tak€ on their rank.
CBBrown beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Personally, I think testing and PEDs is going to be getting more attention in the future. An aspect of dropping in grappling that many overlook is that this isn't just a matter of the ruleset, but also of legality. The overwhelming majority of PEDs are Schedule III Substances, meaning without a prescription it is actually illegal to be taking them. In that respect, whether the ruleset banns Dopping or not is irrelevant. The rules can't allow something illegal.
Until fairly recently, grappling has been extremely niche and outside of the grappling community, no one really took notice. But, nowadays, it's becoming more mainstream and that brings the attention and scrutiny of government agencies. Don't forget, USADA and drug testing in the UFC didn't begin until 11 years after they were founded.
ADCC doesn't test at the moment. But they're also massively expanding, I believe Mo Jassem started he's doing more than twice the number of events in the next three years. They have a new contract with the UFC as well which will bring more money and scrutiny. If they're planning on working in countries where PEDs are Schedule III Substances, like the USA, I think it's a matter of time before they are forced to play ball or only operate in countries without laws governing PEDs.
Until fairly recently, grappling has been extremely niche and outside of the grappling community, no one really took notice. But, nowadays, it's becoming more mainstream and that brings the attention and scrutiny of government agencies. Don't forget, USADA and drug testing in the UFC didn't begin until 11 years after they were founded.
ADCC doesn't test at the moment. But they're also massively expanding, I believe Mo Jassem started he's doing more than twice the number of events in the next three years. They have a new contract with the UFC as well which will bring more money and scrutiny. If they're planning on working in countries where PEDs are Schedule III Substances, like the USA, I think it's a matter of time before they are forced to play ball or only operate in countries without laws governing PEDs.
MGPurple beltVerified
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
That's a fair response.
It sucks as I get older I constantly face people on at least trt but I really don't care. I'm not trying to win world championships. The entire goal is just to learn and get better.
It sucks as I get older I constantly face people on at least trt but I really don't care. I'm not trying to win world championships. The entire goal is just to learn and get better.
JJBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Never had a bad experience with GI, and I started competing in their tournaments back when the only ran them in Montreal and were called, Montreal Grappling. David Aguzzi is a solid dude. https://www.beltchecker.c[...]hp?id=7994
Tried to sign up with my pass 1 day after registration and was ignored.
I emailed on another account the next day and offered to pay and got an immediate response.
I emailed on another account the next day and offered to pay and got an immediate response.
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CBBrown beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
That's a fair response.
I disagree. He left the tournament early to get out of the test, so he knew he was breaking the rules. And at least one second place winner was tested so the idea that it's only the guys at the top getting tested is just flat out wrong. And given the size of cyborg, I doubt he's on TRT because he had low test, or that he has the normal testosterone levels for a man his age. This just sounds like he's trying to shift blame for getting caught.
And testing everyone is, at least as the tournaments are run now would be pretty impractical. I mean I've completed in Europeans. That tournament takes a week and it's organizationally basically the same as a big local tournament. It's not like the countries are selecting athletes and testing them on the national level before sending them off. The only thing this would do is reduce the number of people who could compete in total and basically destroy the amateur league, at least without nationalizing the sport on a more comprehensive level like judo or wrestling.
He cheated and got caught. Take the L.
And testing everyone is, at least as the tournaments are run now would be pretty impractical. I mean I've completed in Europeans. That tournament takes a week and it's organizationally basically the same as a big local tournament. It's not like the countries are selecting athletes and testing them on the national level before sending them off. The only thing this would do is reduce the number of people who could compete in total and basically destroy the amateur league, at least without nationalizing the sport on a more comprehensive level like judo or wrestling.
He cheated and got caught. Take the L.
JTBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
So, I hated competing against people that are juiced. Lol I still do, but in the military I can get tested for anything at the drop of a hat so I don't level the playing field. I think that either they make it legal and let the playing field level out or they test everyone. Now does that mean people will stop? Nope, just means the average joe has a chance. Also you can look at a person and tell. lol just my two cents.
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Cyborg’s response..
“I’m not bragging, but this is incredible”
I’m gonna start using that
I’m gonna start using that
MGPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
“I’m not bragging, but this is incredible” I’m gonna start using that
It’s like insulting someone but saying with all due respect first.
CBBrown beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I think that either they make it legal and let the playing field level out or they test everyone.
I think that's the problem though. If the compounds are illegal without a prescription then there's nothing the IBJJF can do there. Remember,one athlete was found with Tren metabolites which isn't approved for clinical treatment and another had nandrolone 19 which is used for cancer and aids patients. I think it's safe to assume they weren't getting a medical exemption for that.
As for testing everyone, people already complain about how expensive competition is now. Think of how the price would skyrocket if they're testing everyone. Would just result in no one competing.
I honestly have no problem with just testing podium winners. That would cut costs and make everyone successful get tested. If you're on gear and lose, then you weren't going to win anyway. If you win, you're always going to have to expect a test.
As for testing everyone, people already complain about how expensive competition is now. Think of how the price would skyrocket if they're testing everyone. Would just result in no one competing.
I honestly have no problem with just testing podium winners. That would cut costs and make everyone successful get tested. If you're on gear and lose, then you weren't going to win anyway. If you win, you're always going to have to expect a test.
DBBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Professional athletes are monomaniacal and will do everything to get an advantage.
The trickle down effect on hobbyists is a lot more concerning.
The trickle down effect on hobbyists is a lot more concerning.
