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Posthumous Profiles
3 year(s) ago • 1357 views • 15 replies
EHBlack belt 1st degreeVerifiedPerú
3 year(s) ago
What you guys think about creating posthumous profiles for the big names in BJJ so that the information of this historic characters can be held in the app and shared with this community?
Maybe we can make a group of bjj history fanatics to collect pics, fights info, graduation dates and help create the profiles of the ones that alrady are in BJJ Heaven and that have enough evidence of their achivements.
Count on me if you aprove a project like this!!!
Maybe we can make a group of bjj history fanatics to collect pics, fights info, graduation dates and help create the profiles of the ones that alrady are in BJJ Heaven and that have enough evidence of their achivements.
Count on me if you aprove a project like this!!!
JBlack belt 3rd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
As important is not to fall into the trap of blind idolizing, so whatever format, I would like it to be inviting also to challenging not least the official Gracie history writing.
How much did they really train with Maeda?
How good were they compared with todays standards?
How well did they represent loyalty and moral standards which many today see as an integrated part of BJJ?
And so on.
How much did they really train with Maeda?
How good were they compared with todays standards?
How well did they represent loyalty and moral standards which many today see as an integrated part of BJJ?
And so on.
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Well... I'm going to open up another can of worms - what to do with profiles of people who have died after the creation of their profile? If it's just deleted (for which the legal heirs have a RIGHT to demand by GDPR and otherwise) it can cause a theoretical cascade of un-verifying profiles.
If let's say heirs would agree with profile staying up, it should have somehow different status - e.g. NOT racking up "time at belt" time indefinitely into the statistics.
While it's going to be likely a few edge cases right now, it's definitely a very real problem to solve from legal (who can chime in as experts?) and ethical standpoints for Beltchecker Crew because...y'know... none of us are going to live forever despite "so far so good".
If let's say heirs would agree with profile staying up, it should have somehow different status - e.g. NOT racking up "time at belt" time indefinitely into the statistics.
While it's going to be likely a few edge cases right now, it's definitely a very real problem to solve from legal (who can chime in as experts?) and ethical standpoints for Beltchecker Crew because...y'know... none of us are going to live forever despite "so far so good".
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
On the OP note: definitely NO, I do not think it would fit in any way with the current Beltchecker model to create (!) (by whom anyway?!) profiles for -any- people who do not exist (now).
Theoretically there could be like a different category of profile, an "inert" one... but who's in control?
Theoretically there could be like a different category of profile, an "inert" one... but who's in control?
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DBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I like the idea of expanding this place to be a historic collection of belts. I remember people doing bjj lineage projects back in the day (globetrotters love this idea :P) and I always thought it was very cool.
Also, I'd get to vote down Helio.
Also, I'd get to vote down Helio.
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EHBlack belt 1st degreeVerifiedPerú
3 year(s) ago
As important is not to fall into the trap of blind idolizing, so whatever format, I would like it to be inviting also to challenging not least the official Gracie history writing. How much did they really train with Maeda? How good were they compared with todays standards? How well did they represent loyalty and moral standards which many today see as an integrated part of BJJ? And so on.
There are lot of questions to answer specially out of the Gracie "Official" History, thats why I can see a project like this can fit in to BeltChecker. I think we all can learn a lot from the history and from this people without idolizing them.
Another topic of discution is if BJJ is evolving the right way (there is no question about its evolution), in the begining of BJJ, there was a need to develop an art that let a BJJ practitioner defeat any other fighter of any other style in a Vale Tudo conception, that was the main focus and sport was secondary.
On todays BJJ, the sport is the primary focus so the actual need is to develop tecniques to defeat a 100% no stricking grappler under certain rules. Thats why, in my opinion, to compare the "levels" of old Jiu-Jitsu practitioners vs todays is very out of context.
Out of that discussion, my idea was to recognize their achivements and a life dedicated to the art.
Another topic of discution is if BJJ is evolving the right way (there is no question about its evolution), in the begining of BJJ, there was a need to develop an art that let a BJJ practitioner defeat any other fighter of any other style in a Vale Tudo conception, that was the main focus and sport was secondary.
On todays BJJ, the sport is the primary focus so the actual need is to develop tecniques to defeat a 100% no stricking grappler under certain rules. Thats why, in my opinion, to compare the "levels" of old Jiu-Jitsu practitioners vs todays is very out of context.
Out of that discussion, my idea was to recognize their achivements and a life dedicated to the art.
CGBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Could be interesting from a historical point of view but in practice, I don’t see how it could work. Who would be allowed to do these profiles, what would keep it from becoming a political chaos, etc.
Beltchecker is fundamentally based on verifying that it is YOU who create YOUR profile. And the community keeps you in check for doing it correctly. If someone else fills out a profile not their own, we could never verify that the data is correct because it would all be second hand knowledge which could be influenced by all sorts of external factors.
Technically nothing is keeping you from creating a profile for Helio right now but you’d never get an ID verification on it and good luck dealing with other people/family who has an opinion about it 😄
Beltchecker is fundamentally based on verifying that it is YOU who create YOUR profile. And the community keeps you in check for doing it correctly. If someone else fills out a profile not their own, we could never verify that the data is correct because it would all be second hand knowledge which could be influenced by all sorts of external factors.
Technically nothing is keeping you from creating a profile for Helio right now but you’d never get an ID verification on it and good luck dealing with other people/family who has an opinion about it 😄
PZBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Spot on Christian! I'm sure some noble motives stand behind this idea but the possibility of creating the profile for someone else could be easily misused and abused. When it comes to the question asked by Jorgen I wouldn't mind if my profile is still here when I'm gone. I'm sure there will be "RIP" comments from training partners/students/instructors on those profiles and it will be an indication that those people are not with us anymore. There is no need to remove them unless the family contacts the admins with such a wish.
MGPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Well... I'm going to open up another can of worms - what to do with profiles of people who have died after the creation of their profile?
In the event of my demise, I hereby donate my likeness to Beltchecker
VBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
In the event of my demise, I hereby donate my likeness to Beltchecker
I agree. In the event of my eating dirt for eternity, I donate my jiu-jitsu likeness to beltchecker, and Christian the legal right to upvote jiu-jitsu practitioners on my behalf.
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I agree. In the event of my eating dirt for eternity, I donate my jiu-jitsu likeness to beltchecker, and Christian the legal right to upvote jiu-jitsu practitioners on my behalf.
It's the only decent thing to do.
My compliments🙏
My compliments🙏
MGPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I agree. In the event of my eating dirt for eternity, I donate my jiu-jitsu likeness to beltchecker, and Christian the legal right to upvote jiu-jitsu practitioners on my behalf.
May I dispute on your behalf?
JMBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
In the event of my demise, I hereby donate my likeness to Beltchecker
Would it be legally binding if checking or unchecking that box (kinda like organ donor thing) would be part of sign up?
RDBlack belt 4th degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Would it be legally binding if checking or unchecking that box (kinda like organ donor thing) would be part of sign up?
MIght as well get organ donations as well. Big money in organ harvesting.
Imagine how big Beltchecker would be with all that extra capital.
Imagine how big Beltchecker would be with all that extra capital.
VBlack belt 2nd degreeVerified
MGPurple beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Let's just make it free for all. Kkkk
Sweet. Hopefully we can change your profile pic to this emoji and then go ham with the disputes.
