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My experience with Stem Cell treatments and PRP

3 year(s) ago • 1171 views • 18 replies

DP
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3 year(s) ago
As some of you may know, I practice medicine as my main job. Recently I have been getting a lot of messages regarding guys with herniated discs, ligament injuries, and other issues that come from training.
As a long time practitioner, I have had to deal with these issues also, but luckily I have been able to play with some treatment options that have provided me great relief. Specifically Plalet Rich Plasma (PRP) and Fetal stem cell injections.
I wanted to share my experiences and answer any questions you guys may have. So lets start with PRP
A few years ago I partially tore my ACL during a skydiving landing. Thinking that the damage wasn't as bad as it was, I trained the following day and got caught in an accidental reap while passing side control which caused my ACL to blow out. After getting some imaging done, I chose to try PRP. Here is what the process looked like:
Step1: Blood is drawn from your arem, typically about 30-60 ml.
Step 2: The blood is then spun in a centrifuge, which separates the platelets and plasma from other components of the blood. The concentrated platelets and plasma, which contain growth factors and other regenerative substances, are then extracted and prepared for injection.
Step 3: You will have your injection site is cleaned and numbed with a local anesthetic. Then the concentrated platelets and plasma are then injected into the area being treated, such as a joint, tendon, or muscle. This part sucks....it hurts a lot, but it was worth it.
After the injection, you will be advised to rest for a short period of time and avoid strenuous activities for a few days. The entire procedure typically takes less than an hour, and you can usually resume their normal activities within a day or two. For me the day after of the injection and that evening felt like I had midgets with baseball bats hitting me in the knee non-stop.
The following morning I woke up with most of the pain gone, but a sensation that my knee was extremely stiff. This lasted about 3 days with each day feeling better and better.
About a week after the PRP treatment, my knee felt as good as new. That was my experience, but keep in mind that some patients may require multiple PRP injections, depending on the extent of their injury or condition.

Now lets talk about stem Cell treatments. I used this to treat some herniated discs in my neck which I can attribute to my military service and BJJ. Fetal stem cell injections are an experimental treatment that involves injecting stem cells from a fetus into the damaged area, for me it was into the herniated disc. The idea behind the treatment is that the stem cells will differentiate into disc cells, promoting the healing and regeneration of the damaged tissue.
Harvesting or obtaining the stem cells: Depending on the source of the stem cells, they may be harvested from the patient's own body (such as bone marrow or adipose tissue) or obtained from a donor (such as umbilical cord blood or placental tissue).
The proceedure typically goes like this.
1. First stem cells are prepared. The stem cells are typically processed and concentrated to increase their potency and purity.
2. Injecting the stem cells: The stem cells are injected into the affected area, such as a joint, muscle, or tendon. The injection site is usually numbed with a local anesthetic to minimize discomfort.
After the injection, you will be advised to rest and avoid strenuous activities for a period of time. The area will swell and may be a little uncomfortable for a while, this is normal. Unlike PRP, it takes a little longer to see the results. For me I could not notice any major improvements for about a month, then day by day everything started feeling better. By the 3 month post injection period, my neck felt good as new.
Now those are only my experiences and results will vary, but at least I wanted to throw this out there in case someone who is on the fence about spending the money for this treatment can make and informed decision.

The entire procedure usually takes less than an hour, and patients can usually resume their normal activities within a few days.
Randy
Randy
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3 year(s) ago
I'd love for my Dad to get the stem cell treatment for his back and knee, but it isn't currently covered or supported by his medical insurance. Hopefully this changes in the near future. It sounds like a no-brainer from what I've read.
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3 year(s) ago
Take look at some of the places in Tijuana. Its not the cheapest, but the prices are pretty reasonable.
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3 year(s) ago
Matt,
I think a lot dependson the source of the drop foot. If its caused by compression in the lumbar nerve, stem cells may offer relief.
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3 year(s) ago
Yeah unfortunately a fully severed nerve cant be repaired at this time. Im sorry to hear that bro, hows that affect your rolling?
Matt Guyer
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3 year(s) ago
Since outside of the gym I use an orthotic to walk anything standing is awkward for me, but I’ve found that it has impacted a lot of things on the ground too.

I have no stability in my right ankle so any technique that requires base on that side is impacted. I typically have to get up by standing on my left foot first. I have a lot of muscle loss on the right side so elevating techniques like butterfly sweeps are problematic.

I cannot flex my right foot so I rarely play full guard. If I end up there I typically try to transition to half guard. And then there’s the pain. Every touch on my right side registers as pain but you kinda get used to that after awhile.

I probably should have been keeping a journal on all the techniques that have been affected. I will come across things that you wouldn’t think would be impacted but are. This happened in 2012 though so I’ve had a lot of time to basically create a game around it so it is what it is.
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Only reason that I am asking is that last year I had a pretty significant parachute collapsed that resulted in me breaking my leg pretty badly. I severed all the nerves in it and cant feel my foot anymore…. Which has been a challenge at bjj
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I did, but it failed. I even tried bone stimulators in hope of fixing it, but the damage was too great. Honestly its been an uphill battle and I find that when I roll my leg constantly gets caught in weird places under my opponent’s body. Its forced me to re-work how I frame in order to preven passes.
Matt Guyer
Matt Guyer
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3 year(s) ago
They wanted to do a fusion but I refused because I know someone that had and they had a lot of issues. It would be nice not to use an orthotic to walk though. I find that most, even the custom ones I’ve had made, cause a lot of pain on my foot.

My doctor has assured me that it’s only a matter of time until I have to have the ankle fused and I will probably have a spinal fusion too due to the fake that I favor my left side so much that my hips shift causing pinching at the c6/c7.
Matt Guyer
Matt Guyer
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3 year(s) ago
As far as training goes, you’ll figure it out with time. I am extra cautious now and will give up positions I’d normal fight/scramble for just to stay safe.
Timo Rissanen
Timo Rissanen
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3 year(s) ago
I've had two cervical and two lumbar herniations. All of those have had similar time frames what comes to "healing".

First week always the worst. Tough time getting sleep since you cannot find a good sleeping position due to nerve pain.

Sleep gets better after that and you start light PT to get the blood flowing. I've always had good results when doing just basic long walks with my wife. It sucks compared to rolling but hey.

1-3 months in things become almost normal and you can start training remembering your situation and avoiding hard sparring and certain positions affecting the injured area (inverting etc.).

So my question is: How do you tell the difference if the stem cells or natural healing have cured the problem?

I have to say that I haven't been completely healed and still have stiffness around the affected area. Nerve pain and numbness is cured, which is the most important thing for me.
Daniel Rodriguez
Daniel Rodriguez
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3 year(s) ago
I've tried PRP for shoulder bursitis. Unfortunately, in my case, I still have flare ups that are generally triggered by changes in the weather/humidity. Sometimes the flares up radiate to my neck which has its own set of issues --> bone spurs. I guess some ailments you can't escape. I typically treat it with alternating between heat and ice, compression, and working the surrounding muscles with bands. For my neck I've used the IronNeck to help with pain in that area and it seems to help.
Deepu
Deepu
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3 year(s) ago
How well would stem cell treatments work for osteoarthritis in lower back? I have partial lumbarization and severe discopathy in L4, L5, and significant arthritis. L5 has lost 10% of its size.
R. David Gonzalez
R. David Gonzalez
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3 year(s) ago
Never tried it myself but not opposed to it.
Already had back and knee surgery. Definitely need both shoulders, left ankle and right knee done as well.
Not sure if I could afford stem cell treatment so I'll just live with it for now.

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