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Way points and j points
3 year(s) ago • 768 views • 9 replies
NTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I really enjoyed a recent episode from bjj mental models on way points and j points
https://podcast.bjjmental[...]-matt-kwan
These concepts work really well with my preferred game of camping and cooking my opponent. I’m not very explosive or dynamic so I like to move slowly and try to drain their energy when possible. I was having a considerably harder time doing this with no gi. This episodes also provided some resources (jozef chen and less impressed more involved) that were very helpful.
Excellent work Steve and Matt Kwan!
https://podcast.bjjmental[...]-matt-kwan
These concepts work really well with my preferred game of camping and cooking my opponent. I’m not very explosive or dynamic so I like to move slowly and try to drain their energy when possible. I was having a considerably harder time doing this with no gi. This episodes also provided some resources (jozef chen and less impressed more involved) that were very helpful.
Excellent work Steve and Matt Kwan!
TPBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Work even better than pressure points..?!
NTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Work even better than pressure points..?!
Like dim mak pressure points? Or do you mean pressure passing?
Assuming it’s the latter, it seems related to me since using these camping points usually involves using pressure to tire your opponent out. The example they discuss (and the scenario I began working) was passing half guard. Instead of being in a rush to pass, you basically force your opponent to carry your weight with their frames and then you disrupt their frames so they spend energy setting them up again. If you can flatten them out with the cross face and threaten chest to chest connection, you can smother them as you slowly defeat their hook. If you start to lose the position, you can retreat to half guard and start again. Maybe it’s not for everyone but it fits my style
Assuming it’s the latter, it seems related to me since using these camping points usually involves using pressure to tire your opponent out. The example they discuss (and the scenario I began working) was passing half guard. Instead of being in a rush to pass, you basically force your opponent to carry your weight with their frames and then you disrupt their frames so they spend energy setting them up again. If you can flatten them out with the cross face and threaten chest to chest connection, you can smother them as you slowly defeat their hook. If you start to lose the position, you can retreat to half guard and start again. Maybe it’s not for everyone but it fits my style
TPBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
Like dim mak pressure points?
Yes I was just making a joke (been watching too much McDojoLife!) but thanks for a thoughtful response :)
NTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
Yes I was just making a joke (been watching too much McDojoLife!) but thanks for a thoughtful response :)
Gotcha lol
GFBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I like these concepts too, and I find it helpful to give them a name.
"Waypoint" I've been thinking about as my "hubs" (connecting to other positions and options), same thing different name^^
J-Point (jeopardy point) is interesting and was new to me when I saw that less-impressed-more-involved video where he analyses it.
"cook them"
"don't pass fast"
"take your time from there"
"make them feel miserable until they give you the pass"
"let them exhaust themselves in this bad position before fully passing"
I've heard other people over the years refer to this idea (at least Keenan and Roger top of head) of using a superior position where you can somewhat relax while your opponent uses comparatively much more energy, and I find that "J-Point" is not a bad term for it, started using it ^^
conceptually I also see it a bit as making them face a dilemma for longer; which is more off-putting than having to deal with a clear problem.
e.g. :
a) he's passed my guard and landed in side control, been here done that, let's use my escape arsenal
b) damn, he's about to pass my guard north-south, or was he about to back-step?
b) is more tiring to deal with, both physically and mentally.
"Waypoint" I've been thinking about as my "hubs" (connecting to other positions and options), same thing different name^^
J-Point (jeopardy point) is interesting and was new to me when I saw that less-impressed-more-involved video where he analyses it.
"cook them"
"don't pass fast"
"take your time from there"
"make them feel miserable until they give you the pass"
"let them exhaust themselves in this bad position before fully passing"
I've heard other people over the years refer to this idea (at least Keenan and Roger top of head) of using a superior position where you can somewhat relax while your opponent uses comparatively much more energy, and I find that "J-Point" is not a bad term for it, started using it ^^
conceptually I also see it a bit as making them face a dilemma for longer; which is more off-putting than having to deal with a clear problem.
e.g. :
a) he's passed my guard and landed in side control, been here done that, let's use my escape arsenal
b) damn, he's about to pass my guard north-south, or was he about to back-step?
b) is more tiring to deal with, both physically and mentally.
NTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I like these concepts too, and I find it helpful to give them a name. 'Waypoint' I've been thinking about as my 'hubs' (connecting to other positions and options), same thing different name^^ J-Point (jeopardy point) is interesting and was new to me when I saw that less-impressed-more-involved video where he analyses it. 'cook them' 'don't pass fast' 'take your time from there' 'make them feel miserable until they give you the pass' 'let them exhaust themselves in this bad position before fully passing' I've heard other people over the years refer to this idea (at least Keenan and Roger top of head) of using a superior position where you can somewhat relax while your opponent uses comparatively much more energy, and I find that 'J-Point' is not a bad term for it, started using it ^^ conceptually I also see it a bit as making them face a dilemma for longer; which is more off-putting than having to deal with a clear problem. e.g. : a) he's passed my guard and landed in side control, been here done that, let's use my escape arsenal b) damn, he's about to pass my guard north-south, or was he about to back-step? b) is more tiring to deal with, both physically and mentally.
Yes! Exactly.
SBBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I teach them as energy deficit positions. You are conserving while they are expending. I think I heard the Danaher gaggle refer to these positions as energy deficit positions.
NTBlack belt 1st degreeVerified
3 year(s) ago
I teach them as energy deficit positions. You are conserving while they are expending. I think I heard the Danaher gaggle refer to these positions as energy deficit positions.
Yes it sounds like the same thing to me
MRBlack beltVerified
3 year(s) ago
I like the waypoint concept
