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From Lengthy Histories to Credibility in Jiu-Jitsu"

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Edgard Echeverria
Edgard Echeverria
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3 year(s) ago
Why do they put their entire life history in their profile, starting from when they were born, and elaborate on every little detail to the extent that it almost resembles a cookbook recipe? It makes me laugh because what you put into words doesn't verify your belt, let alone your knowledge in Jiu-Jitsu. I believe it's more about inflating your ego and trying to make others seem inferior for not composing their history in such a manner. In my opinion, showcasing a verifiable lineage, along with some photos of your certificates and promotions, would suffice for your credibility. Being registered with IBJJF would be a plus.
Sebastian Ellinghaus
Sebastian Ellinghaus
Black belt 1st degreeVerified599 forum posts34785/1000
3 year(s) ago
It is not an important point for me.
Long or short history doesn‘t matter for credibility.
Everyone who is interested can read, nobody must do so.

Certificates do not push credibility even more than a long history.
I have seen tons of fake certificates during the last years (not especially on this board).
Registered with IBJJF means nothing at all to me.
-That is just money talks.

In the end there is no safe checking system on this planet.
Truth is simply on the mats and will ever be!

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Benoit Zenthner
Benoit Zenthner
Black belt 4th degreeVerified518 forum posts12245/1000
3 year(s) ago
Why do they put their entire life history in their profile, starting from when they were born, and elaborate on every little detail to the extent that it almost resembles a cookbook recipe? It makes me laugh because what you put into words doesn't verify your belt, let alone your knowledge in Jiu-Jitsu. I believe it's more about inflating your ego and trying to make others seem inferior for not composing their history in such a manner. In my opinion, showcasing a verifiable lineage, along with some photos of your certificates and promotions, would suffice for your credibility. Being registered with IBJJF would be a plus.
You are free to make your profile as you want it to be... it's the same about instructions videos sometimes you see guys speaking for like ten minutes to explain some dumb stuff, they like earing their own voice😆

Long history can help to understand better the guys journey but at the end... Who care's ? Few photos can make yhe difference.
Edgard Echeverria
Edgard EcheverriaOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified77 forum posts11175/1000
3 year(s) ago
It is not an important point for me. Long or short history doesn‘t matter for credibility. Everyone who is interested can read, nobody must do so. Certificates do not push credibility even more than a long history. I have seen tons of fake certificates during the last years (not especially on this board). Registered with IBJJF means nothing at all to me. -That is just money talks. In the end there is no safe checking system on this planet. Truth is simply on the mats and will ever be!

"I completely agree with you. That's exactly the point I wanted to make. On the mat is where everything is truly tested and authenticity is revealed. Real experiences and genuine commitment are what really matter in the pursuit of credibility. Thank you for expressing it so accurately."
Edgard Echeverria
Edgard EcheverriaOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified77 forum posts11175/1000
3 year(s) ago
You are free to make your profile as you want it to be... it's the same about instructions videos sometimes you see guys speaking for like ten minutes to explain some dumb stuff, they like earing their own voice😆 Long history can help to understand better the guys journey but at the end... Who care's ? Few photos can make yhe difference.
For me, authenticity lies in actions rather than self-proclaimed achievements. On the mat is where true credibility is tested, where actions speak louder than ego-driven claims. By the way, on a related note, I have to admit I have a strong aversion to individuals with ostentatious egos. It's just something about the arrogance that doesn't sit well with me."
Edgard Echeverria
Edgard EcheverriaOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified77 forum posts11175/1000
3 year(s) ago
I've come across many individuals throughout my martial arts journey who possess the knowledge to attain high ranks, yet they lack the right attitude and fall short on empathy or respect towards others. On the flip side, there are numerous others equipped with everything needed to excel in the ranks but possess fewer technical skills. I believe it all boils down to striking a balance between becoming a better human being and being able to impart your knowledge, thus leaving behind a legacy."
Bobby McMasters
Bobby McMasters
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1272 forum posts12800/1000
3 year(s) ago
Why do they put their entire life history in their profile, starting from when they were born, and elaborate on every little detail to the extent that it almost resembles a cookbook recipe?
Who is "they"? I'm not sure I've come across one of these profiles yet.

You can literally put anything on your profile. Who really cares if someone puts a bunch of unnecessary (according to you) information on there, for real?

Personally, my profile serves as something like a "grappling CV/resumé", so that if I need to reach out to someone and explain who I am, all the information that they might be interested in is right there for them to see.
Edgard Echeverria
Edgard EcheverriaOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified77 forum posts11175/1000
3 year(s) ago
Rob put that he has a wife in his bio, show off.
I wanted to put the name and breed of my pets but I had no more space to write Jajajaja
Pete Zawadzki
Pete Zawadzki
Black beltVerified197 forum posts5375/1000
3 year(s) ago
Who is 'they'? I'm not sure I've come across one of these profiles yet.
Let me think. Who could it be? Who has upset the most of the beltcheker users? 🤔
Pete Zawadzki
Pete Zawadzki
Black beltVerified197 forum posts5375/1000
3 year(s) ago
ather than self-proclaimed achievements. On the mat isFor me, authenticity lies in actions r where true c By the way, on a related note, I have to admit I have a strong aversion to individuals with ostentatious egos. It's just something about the arrogance that doesn't sit well with me.'
Playing devil/cookbook author advocate:
Something that in one culture is considered arrogant in the other will be seen as being direct, to the point and viewed as positive. Supposedly similar cultures can have very striking differences. Being born and raised in Poland and living most of my adult life in the UK, I've experienced this more than once.
On the matter of ego, as much as I can guess where you are coming from, it's hard to judge without meeting someone in person.
Please give the cookbook author/authors another chance.
Edgard Echeverria
Edgard EcheverriaOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified77 forum posts11175/1000
3 year(s) ago
Playing devil/cookbook author advocate: Something that in one culture is considered arrogant in the other will be seen as being direct, to the point and viewed as positive. Supposedly similar cultures can have very striking differences. Being born and raised in Poland and living most of my adult life in the UK, I've experienced this more than once. On the matter of ego, as much as I can guess where you are coming from, it's hard to judge without meeting someone in person. Please give the cookbook author/authors another chance.
He could understand the different types of culture and we, as a practitioner of a martial art, come from Japan and Brazil, even more so, since they are polar opposites in terms of culture. but the jiu jitsu recipe in the cookbook is the same hahahaha now I understand that you put 2000 words and explanations in your resume to look for a job but in this online community it is something more than that
Zach Barlow
Zach Barlow
Purple beltVerified23 forum posts705/400
3 year(s) ago
Rob put that he has a wife in his bio, show off.
I was going to put my comps and medals then saw a place to stick the smoothcomp id and figured why be redundant 🤷🏼‍♂️

But as a white belt it’s not like I’ve done a whole lot, got nothing to prove, little to verify in terms of history. I’d probably have been more elaborate if I registered as a purple who trained in several different places.
Vovis
Vovis
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified976 forum posts9215/1000
3 year(s) ago
Why do they put their entire life history in their profile, starting from when they were born, and elaborate on every little detail to the extent that it almost resembles a cookbook recipe? It makes me laugh because what you put into words doesn't verify your belt, let alone your knowledge in Jiu-Jitsu. I believe it's more about inflating your ego and trying to make others seem inferior for not composing their history in such a manner. In my opinion, showcasing a verifiable lineage, along with some photos of your certificates and promotions, would suffice for your credibility. Being registered with IBJJF would be a plus.
If it's martial arts based, it then goes to point out the dedication to the martial arts in general. It can give a big picture view of a person total history that put them on the jiu-jitsu journey. In my opinion it's not about EGO. On here everyone has the freedom to setup their Profile that suits them. My stance on it is if you don't like it don't read it, but to shit on others for setting up there profile with a log description say more about the individual complaining about it, than the individual that sets up there own Profile the way they want.
Edgard Echeverria
Edgard EcheverriaOP
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3 year(s) ago
If it's martial arts based, it then goes to point out the dedication to the martial arts in general. It can give a big picture view of a person total history that put them on the jiu-jitsu journey. In my opinion it's not about EGO. On here everyone has the freedom to setup their Profile that suits them. My stance on it is if you don't like it don't read it, but to shit on others for setting up there profile with a log description say more about the individual complaining about it, than the individual that sets up there own Profile the way they want.
Clarifying things, I believe that individuals are free to put as much history as they want on their profile. They can include both lies and truths; no one prohibits them from doing so. Just as we are also free to create a forum to see the opinions of others regarding any topic.

Regarding the ego, it's a vast subject, and entire books have been dedicated to how, to a greater or lesser extent, we all possess some of it, and we display it in our words and daily actions. I, like everyone, live while grappling with the ego first and acknowledging it where it might surface.

You are right that anyone can choose to read or not read. However, if you place something there, it's meant to be read. It can be praised or criticized; you'll be exposed to both. Oossss
Megaton
Megaton
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3 year(s) ago
Let me think. Who could it be? Who has upset the most of the beltcheker users? 🤔
Are you starting a betting pool... of course our answers would be completely unanimous..
Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson
Black belt 1st degreeVerified489 forum posts10580/1000
3 year(s) ago
For me, authenticity lies in actions rather than self-proclaimed achievements. On the mat is where true credibility is tested, where actions speak louder than ego-driven claims. By the way, on a related note, I have to admit I have a strong aversion to individuals with ostentatious egos. It's just something about the arrogance that doesn't sit well with me.'
just my opinion...but "On the mat is where true credibility is tested" is very short sided. what happens when you age, become permanently disabled, can no longer roll, or can only roll with positional sparing because you spent a lifetime doing BJJ, and your body is just broke. Authenticity has nothing to do with the "end" or present-day mat ability. it has to do with your journey, and how you use that journey to develop others, train others to evolve. I don't expect a 90-year-old red belt to hold his / her own on the mat. but knowing their story beings a ton of credibility to themselves and their character. i really hope we can evolve in this martial art and stop applying credibility to "the mat" its archaic, short sided, and probably contributes to injury as people age.
Benoit Zenthner
Benoit Zenthner
Black belt 4th degreeVerified518 forum posts12245/1000
3 year(s) ago
just my opinion...but 'On the mat is where true credibility is tested' is very short sided. what happens when you age, become permanently disabled, can no longer roll, or can only roll with positional sparing because you spent a lifetime doing BJJ, and your body is just broke. Authenticity has nothing to do with the 'end' or present-day mat ability. it has to do with your journey, and how you use that journey to develop others, train others to evolve. I don't expect a 90-year-old red belt to hold his / her own on the mat. but knowing their story beings a ton of credibility to themselves and their character. i really hope we can evolve in this martial art and stop applying credibility to 'the mat' its archaic, short sided, and probably contributes to injury as people age.
I just imagine the scene of a ninety years redbelt getting choke to the death by a twenty years Black belt who test his legitemacy.... i must say that i laugh like a retarded for a few second imagine it....
But more seriously, after long time on the mat, normaly you have nothing to proove.
Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson
Black belt 1st degreeVerified489 forum posts10580/1000
3 year(s) ago
I just imagine the scene of a ninety years redbelt getting choke to the death by a twenty years Black belt who test his legitemacy.... i must say that i laugh like a retarded for a few second imagine it.... But more seriously, after long time on the mat, normaly you have nothing to proove.
exactly. im totally done proving myself to "the mat" I let my young kids beat up the mat testers haha.
Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1900 forum posts3635/1000
3 year(s) ago
More detail is good. After all, this site is supposed to be about verifying rank: I'd prefer to have too much info in order to do that, rather than too little.
Edgard Echeverria
Edgard EcheverriaOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified77 forum posts11175/1000
3 year(s) ago
More detail is good. After all, this site is supposed to be about verifying rank: I'd prefer to have too much info in order to do that, rather than too little.
but you don't need to know if he studied karate when he was 6 years old or if he ever won a tennis or fifa tournament on the playstation. that's what i mean
Slideyfoot [jun]
Slideyfoot [jun]
Black belt 1st degreeVerified1900 forum posts3635/1000
3 year(s) ago
I don't see anything wrong with somebody giving me more information, especially on a site where people are being encouraged to write about themselves.

It's not like anyone is being forced to read it. You can always just scroll past if you're not interested in what somebody has written.
Edgard Echeverria
Edgard EcheverriaOP
Black belt 3rd degreeVerified77 forum posts11175/1000
3 year(s) ago
I don't see anything wrong with somebody giving me more information, especially on a site where people are being encouraged to write about themselves. It's not like anyone is being forced to read it. You can always just scroll past if you're not interested in what somebody has written.
it's the same as I've been saying. We are not obligated to read it, just as we are not obligated to participate in a forum. It's the same, a place to wait for what you want to read and comment if you feel like it."
Vovis
Vovis
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified976 forum posts9215/1000
3 year(s) ago
I don't see anything wrong with somebody giving me more information, especially on a site where people are being encouraged to write about themselves. It's not like anyone is being forced to read it. You can always just scroll past if you're not interested in what somebody has written.
Exactly 💯 % agree.
Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson
Black belt 1st degreeVerified489 forum posts10580/1000
3 year(s) ago
I don’t like when people smile in photos, BJJ is serious business. Everyone should double grab their belts and look angry
Anthony Restuccia
Anthony Restuccia
Black beltVerified650 forum posts12595/1000
3 year(s) ago
I don’t like when people smile in photos, BJJ is serious business. Everyone should double grab their belts and look angry
Or stand with arms folded and chins up. Still, no smiling. Either is acceptable.
Vovis
Vovis
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified976 forum posts9215/1000
3 year(s) ago
I don’t like when people smile in photos, BJJ is serious business. Everyone should double grab their belts and look angry
Nope not me
Vovis
Vovis
Black belt 2nd degreeVerified976 forum posts9215/1000
3 year(s) ago
Well, I have to think again about the fact that I gave You my 100 pts. ….🫣
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Zach Barlow
Zach Barlow
Purple beltVerified23 forum posts705/400
3 year(s) ago
I don’t like when people smile in photos, BJJ is serious business. Everyone should double grab their belts and look angry
What if nobody is doing the shaka, should I be the one to not do the double grip to hang loose? 🤙

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